Joker: Folie à Deux

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Spoiler

Someone said on reddit, "They ***** the Joker out of him"

 

[GaryPool]

as I was watching this movie and posting here,
I was semi kind of defending it . or at least saying that it was a study on law, prison and mental illness.

but it's just too much of a disgusting and depressing movie.
it's misery **** .might as well be a psychological horror movie. it has a lot of elements to be horror,



and the ones you completely forgot. madam web borderlands.

It is a depressing film, so is the first. I've seen far bleaker and more depressing, I definitely wouldn't call it misery ****, it's certainly tragic, speaking of the first film explicitly. The second film is also yeah, it shows, and in real life it does happen; obviously, that people are attracted to cults of personality, and in return absolute nobodies of all sorts delve deeper and deeper in these personalities that people rally behind. Just so happens Fleck/Joker is just a scared traumatized character that isn't what people think him to be, but he's unwittingly created something bigger.

Problem is it's a Joker film, but it has such good concepts that wouldn't be as watched without the DC skin. It wants its cake and to eat it too, and yet, Philips always created it as such, I just can't fault what he created through that, he's never hid it. Also can't fault people for hating it.

I absolutely love the first one, and I really like the second, so... I don't know, I've got two films that I really like and am glad exist, lucky me!

 

[Wor-Gar]

Someone said on reddit, "They ***** the Joker out of him"

Maybe they just put the Fleck back in.

 

[Remembermyname]

he does kill the judge with a hammer, in a musical dream sequence he has lol.

May be the whole thing should be viewed as a dream and then some of us wake up. I saw the picture yesterday with no expectation and whilst it did not deliver for me JP gave another impressive performance of an individual living in a world of soup using a fork.

 

[Wor-Gar]

JP gave another impressive performance of an individual living in a world of soup using a fork.

Maybe that's just him? Have you seen him in an interview?

 

[Nick D]

Save the “he wanted to subvert expectations in an artistic way bs”.

In reality, Todd knew exactly where he was supposed to take the sequel were he to make one.

You continue on a heightened crescendo off of the first films back, without being a cookie cutter sequel.

He knew the only reason anyone clamored for a sequel was to see his take on Joker fully realized.

Or are we to believe he was dumb enough to think we were eagerly signing up for two extra hours of Arthur’s oh so depressing life?

Save it, if the studio wanted the film to be a success, they would have seen to it that there was more Joker in Joker.

They’re not dumb, they have eyes, review data, they all knew the Murray scene and final act was what everyone was raving about, not because Arthur kills someone, the effect wasn’t the same when he kills Randall.

The impact was only there because of the transformation.

 

[Remembermyname]

Maybe that's just him? Have you seen him in an interview?

Maybe, not sure. Now where did I put my fork?

 

[Otomofan]

If Phillips really wanted to say something, he might have had society embrace the Joker in Joker 2 as some kind of fresh, take-no-s*** celebrity -- and make the case about our nation's unhealthy obsession with fame at any cost.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Instead, we got

 

[GaryPool]

Instead, we got

Ha-ha-ha?

More like

Eeh-eeh-eeh!

 

[jye4ever]

The Joker is on you!

 

[Nick D]

Thankfully the cop that did it wasn’t a big time actor or else headlines could’ve read a little differently.

______ stars in JOKER.

Joker got sodomized in a big Hollywood blockbuster before we got GTA 6.

 

[crows]

Ha-ha-ha?

More like

Eeh-eeh-eeh!

joker hurt so many people over the years..... he got what he deserve?

 

[Wor-Gar]

The Joker is on you!

The Jokes IN you!

 

[Remembermyname]

More soup.

 

[Wor-Gar]

crows -- have you seen Sweeney's terrible genie commercial?

 

[crows]

and even Dexter kind of ended up that way,
they couldn't give Dexter a happy ending.

 

[GaryPool]

joker hurt so many people over the years..... he got what he deserve?

We got what we deserve.

But I think in the end, it's the jokes we made along the way.

 

[crows]

crows -- have you seen Sweeney's terrible genie commercial?

 

[Wor-Gar]

We got what we deserve.

I think that's the studio's attitude, and one of the [many] reasons movies continue to fail.