Joker: Folie à Deux

[Nick D]

He won’t do that.. OK,
only if I voice my distain for Snyder’s films.
If that slips out in my drunken stupor all bets are off.

 

[Furyan]

Damn this movie sucked. Wish I had never watched it. Still love the first one.

 

[ironwez20]

makes me wonder if Todd phillips is going to ever direct again. Seriously what a freakin loser. Your movie gets a billion and becomes the highest grossing r rated film ever and becomes iconic.

"No I don;t want people liking the Joker he's bad,"

Make a movie tearing the joker down and spitting in fans faces and losing the studio a ton of money and playing WB. Doesn't say anything and just dissapears. Seriously it's like the guy wanted to ruin his career. Who does that?

 

[HyperDrive]

I don’t think you were ever supposed to “like” or relate to him in the first place. Is this really why some of y’all don’t like the second film?

 

[Nick D]

The director doesn’t get
to make that decision with a property he doesn’t own.

If he wanted to do this, he should have done it the first time, not after he swindled his way to success by pleasing the people he loathed secretly.

He went out of his way to make a Joker film,
we didn’t say get that Phillips no name guy to do it!

 

[ironwez20]

I don’t think you were ever supposed to “like” or relate to him in the first place. Is this really why some of y’all don’t like the second film?

Did I say I related to him? ANd since when is it bad to like a Villian? It's a fictional character dude. I hated this argumanet. Act like the movie was about Ted Bundy when it's about a fictional comic character.
Darth Vader comitted literal Genocide and people love the guy. Please stop with that nonsense

 

[HyperDrive]

Did I say I related to him? ANd since when is it bad to like a Villian? It's a fictional character dude. I hated this argumanet. Act like the movie was about Ted Bundy when it's about a fictional comic character.
Darth Vader comitted literal Genocide and people love the guy. Please stop with that nonsense

I’m asking. I mean you “quoted” Todd Phillips and insinuated that he didn’t want people to like the character. So I’m left wondering what’s the reason as to why people don’t like Joker II. The fact that you’re getting really defensive about this is weird.

makes me wonder if Todd phillips is going to ever direct again. Seriously what a freakin loser. Your movie gets a billion and becomes the highest grossing r rated film ever and becomes iconic.

"No I don;t want people liking the Joker he's bad,"

Make a movie tearing the joker down and spitting in fans faces and losing the studio a ton of money and playing WB. Doesn't say anything and just dissapears. Seriously it's like the guy wanted to ruin his career. Who does that?

 

[ironwez20]

But the reason i hate the movie is cause it just ... sucked. Everything about it was just terrible. Music, Story and acting in some scenes. Just aweful.

 

[ironwez20]

I’m asking. I mean you “quoted” Todd Phillips and insinuated that he didn’t want people to like the character. So I’m left wondering what’s the reason as to why people don’t like Joker II. The fact that you’re getting really defensive about this is weird.

Cause your like people aren't supposed to like the joker and the arguent silly. What do you mean people aren't suppose to not like the joker? It's a comic character from batman and he's a beloved villian. Also you said "you weren;t supposed to relate to him" Nobody said they related to him and I heard this silly argument before during 2019 when the first film found success. "Oh No You aren;t supposed to sympathize with the Joker." Who said they did?
The movie was just a good movie. It told a good story and it was a good take on the character. And as for Todd Phillips yes he literally made the movie to destroy the image of the joker. It was a spit in the face of fans of the first movie.

Also the reason I got defensive is cause you literally said you weren't suppose to like or relate to the joker. Which is a silly argument.

 

[HyperDrive]

Cause your like people aren't supposed to like the joker and the arguent silly. What do you mean people aren't suppose to not like the joker? It's a comic character from batman and he's a beloved villian. Also you said "you weren;t supposed to relate to him" Nobody said they related to him and I heard this silly argument before during 2019 when the first film found success. "Oh No You aren;t supposed to sympathize with the Joker." Who said they did?
The movie was just a good movie. It told a good story and it was a good take on the character. And as for Todd Phillips yes he literally made the movie to destroy the image of the joker. It was a spit in the face of fans of the first movie.

Also the reason I got defensive is cause you literally said you weren't suppose to like or relate to the joker. Which is a silly argument.

Everyone interprets things differently. The first film was amazing (albeit being a poor man’s Taxi Driver) and I love the performances and the themes, but it’s still about a sick individual with a thin DC veil. I personally didn’t “like” him and I don’t think audiences were supposed to like him imo. I took it as a cautionary tale, but that’s just me. That being said, I assume Joker II is in line with the first film, but you’re upset they ruined the character cause they made us not want to “like” him anymore.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Ugh... just sat through this... well, fast forward in parts... I just couldn't take it. Slow, boring, took forever to start to have a focus, then disrupted it with singing for no reason, then fantasy sequences that felt awkward, then a ridiculous courtroom sequence that would never have been allowed... so much in this 'film' was unbelievable BS but its shot and acted like there's a genuine truth to it all, but its simply exhausting in its bleak, somber, violin-scratching delivery that it starts to become its own derivative cliche.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a movie that has absolutely nothing in it of interest. Maybe 'Cool World'. And this.

 

[ironwez20]

Everyone interprets things differently. The first film was amazing (albeit being a poor man’s Taxi Driver) and I love the performances and the themes, but it’s still about a sick individual with a thin DC veil. I personally didn’t “like” him and I don’t think audiences were supposed to like him imo. I took it as a cautionary tale, but that’s just me. That being said, I assume Joker II is in line with the first film, but you’re upset they ruined the character cause they made us not want to “like” him anymore.

It’s about the downfall of a guy with mental issues and how he goes deeper into madness cause he feels no one cares about what he had to say. It’s told as a man’s decent into madness. So what if people like him or not? He was a good character. In the second film they made him a pathetic pushover who renounced the joker identity and got SA and then killed.

Literally not the character whatsoever. Did you watch the film or you are just assuming?

Cool if you don’t like the joker but again it’s a fictional villain and should be respected as a character and not be crapped on because some director didn’t like his audience.

Again I don’t know why it matters if people like him or not. People love horror villains and all they do is kill people. It’s just a fictional character.

Don’t understand why people freak out when people say they like the joker now .

I know we aren’t SUPPOSED to like him realistically but as a character in a movie it’s done well

 

[Nick D]

The majority didn’t like him as Arthur,
the weak pushover.. Which was the point of the transformation, once he became The Joker people began to like him, audience included.

We’re there to see a film about its title,
last I checked, the film was never “Arthur”,
so going into both films, one’s expectations are to see The Joker doing things The Joker would do.

Instead we were given a drama about mental illness as a not so clever way at pointing the finger at the fans of this character, insinuating that we’re all fried mentally like he is for drawing interest in such a thing and that society doesn’t have time for people like that.

It was never about sticking up for the “outcasts”,
the “invisible”, it was simply interpreted that way, which is why when the sequel came out,
the treatment of the character shocked everyone.
In truth, the director never liked the character and so seeing people infatuated by his creation, it struck a nerve he couldn’t shake to the point he had to do something about it.

 

[T8OO]

Again “duh” but silly comments still must be responded to

You keep saying duh but talk like your opinion means more than it does.

 

[jye4ever]

Ugh... just sat through this... well, fast forward in parts... I just couldn't take it. Slow, boring, took forever to start to have a focus, then disrupted it with singing for no reason, then fantasy sequences that felt awkward, then a ridiculous courtroom sequence that would never have been allowed... so much in this 'film' was unbelievable BS but its shot and acted like there's a genuine truth to it all, but its simply exhausting in its bleak, somber, violin-scratching delivery that it starts to become its own derivative cliche.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a movie that has absolutely nothing in it of interest. Maybe 'Cool World'. And this.

Yeah, the movie just meanders doesn’t it,

But with some reshoots, there is enough of a baseline there that it could be restructured with a different director,

Obviously start by changing the ending and make the whole movie about him and Harley conniving on how to escape Arkham and get revenge on the guards

Something that simple while also including his courtroom stuff and his followers outside helping him again.

You could still have him playing like he doesn’t want to be the Joker tricking everyone with some officials not believing him creating tension and drama and a lot of that stuff is there already.

There is a movie to be had there, but it requires an entire restructuring

Make Joker Great Again.

 

[Mandible]

I don’t think you were ever supposed to “like” or relate to him in the first place. Is this really why some of y’all don’t like the second film?

Maybe not like or relate, but how could you not empathize or sympathize for someone with an obvious disability who is endlessly teased, abused, harassed, and bashed?

Then he gets some payback...

Basic, primal, human psychology, I would have thought? If Phillips and co couldn't see the outcome of peoples reactions to the first film a mile away then he's probably not as intelligent as he likes to think he is.

 

[ironwez20]

You keep saying duh but talk like your opinion means more than it does.

When did I say it did? I just replied to you cause your comment on the Batman was something I didn’t agree with. Stop taking it so personally

Also Superman trailer drops this week!

 

[ironwez20]

Yeah, the movie just meanders doesn’t it,

But with some reshoots, there is enough of a baseline there that it could be restructured with a different director,

Obviously start by changing the ending and make the whole movie about him and Harley conniving on how to escape Arkham and get revenge on the guards

Something that simple while also including his courtroom stuff and his followers outside helping him again.

You could still have him playing like he doesn’t want to be the Joker tricking everyone with some officials not believing him creating tension and drama and a lot of that stuff is there already.

There is a movie to be had there, but it requires an entire restructuring

Make Joker Grest Again.

What if the second film was a joke and after the movie they pop out with another trailer that is the actual movie we wanted to see and we are told we were fooled and the real movie comes out 2025

 

[T8OO]

When did I say it did? I just replied to you cause your comment on the Batman was something I didn’t agree with. Stop taking it so personally

Also Superman trailer drops this week!

That's rich coming from you.

 

[ironwez20]

That's rich coming from you.

I never take anything you ever say personally I just kinda laugh and reply .