Licencing isues with actors likness

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Hi all,
what's the deal with the licencing issues with actors? Why don't they allow thier likeness to be modelled. If someone wanted to make me into a model/toy i'd be flattered. Are they money hungy or just prima donnas? I know Sigorny allowed Geometric to use her likeness providing the model had no gun, this was in '96 or something, so why is she not allowing ss to use her likeness now? Wierd.
 
I have always wondered this myself. My guess is maybe personal reasons or maybe just want to be through with the movie.
 
Hi all,
what's the deal with the licencing issues with actors? Why don't they allow thier likeness to be modelled. If someone wanted to make me into a model/toy i'd be flattered. Are they money hungy or just prima donnas? I know Sigorny allowed Geometric to use her likeness providing the model had no gun, this was in '96 or something, so why is she not allowing ss to use her likeness now? Wierd.

I was talking about this with my wife the other day actually, specifically about Ripley/power loader dio... she just looked at me like the answer should be obvious and shook her head.

:banghead
 
Well think of it this way....you are famous, have all the money in the world and Mattel approaches you to put your face on a Ken doll or some company wants your face on an inflatable doll.......would you feel honored (some people would I guess but not all). Or maybe they only want to pay you $100 for it.

Not everyone feels the same about collectibles and whose to say that they are wrong.
 
I think, at least in some cases, the actor probably feels that having their face plastered on merchandise cheapens the integrity of their work. Looking at it from a non-geek collector point of view, I can understand that.
 
I think, at least in some cases, the actor probably feels that having their face plastered on merchandise cheapens the integrity of their work. Looking at it from a non-geek collector point of view, I can understand that.

Yup, there's a few actors that have stated this in the past.

I imagine there's also things like lack of control over what is released and how it is portrayed. Some just don't want to be a cog in a merchandising machine.
 
Hi all,
what's the deal with the licencing issues with actors? Why don't they allow thier likeness to be modelled. If someone wanted to make me into a model/toy i'd be flattered. Are they money hungy or just prima donnas? I know Sigorny allowed Geometric to use her likeness providing the model had no gun, this was in '96 or something, so why is she not allowing ss to use her likeness now? Wierd.

There are many variables.

ALIENS and many older films were made in an era when merchandising wasn't really a consideration, George Lucas was really a loner for a long time with Star Wars in having the foresight to understand the power of merchandising and covere these things.

So when a company like Sideshow acquires rights from Fox to make Aliens collectibles, that only covers characters, creatures and things like that, but actor/actress likenesses are not covered, and those would require extra money and effort to obtain.

Example, Hot Toys had the rights to make a Dutch figure from Predator, but had to separately secure rights with Arnold Schwarzenegger's rights holders for the likeness because it's not part of the Predator license. Hot Toys didn't pursue rights to Sonny Landham's portrait for Billy.

I'm sure oftentimes, the actors aren't even aware of these things being made, that in some cases, the company is find producing generic, close enough portraits. Other times, I'm sure they may be approached, and just decline or want too much.

Carl Weather's can be very pick with his likeness, he forced JAKKS to change the heads on all of their Apollo Creed figures and denied Stallone rights to use Apollo images in Rocky Balboa because they wouldn't meet his demands.

Some folks just don't want their faces capture that way, some don't believe in the products, some are very particular about how they have to look (Hot Toys's Dutch portrait saw several iterations before a final one was approved by Arnold's people, Christian Bale and McG had to personally approve the John Connor sculpt), some folks want such high demands to use their likeness that it'd make the balanced cost of the piece to high to even sell.

Most of the time, this is a non issue, most folks are pretty much locked into an agreement when they sign on with a film or TV series to have their image used because we live in a marketing age. Gary Oldman is the only actor I'm familiar with that isn't covered in contract even in modern films like The Dark Knight.

Most of the times you find likeness issues are properties from the early 90s and older because it wasn't until about 1992 that merchandising really started to take off, like for Terminator 2, they were smart enough and secured rights so anyone with a T2 license can make stuff look just like Arnold or Linda Hamilton or Robert Patrick.
 
I never knew any of that. Thanks for sharing Maulfan.
However, Didn't merchandising really take off after Star Wars in the 70's?
 
Ideally, in these situations, I wish collectible companies would still accurately sculpt an actor's face but obscure the likeness with paint. It seems that is what they did for Sonny Landham and most likely the actors won't notice if their likeness isn't obvious with the factory paint but still existing underneath.
 
Maulfan, what are your thoughts on the fact that Kyle Reese appeared in T2 - albeit only the special edition - but there has never been a figure of his appearance in that film (his outfit seemed identical to what he wore in the first film so he would pass for T1 Reese)?
 
What if Sonny Landham saw a custom repaint of the HT Billy figure? A good repaint looks just like Billy. Maybe Sonny would go off the deep end and not check his facts and turn up as HT's offices and start beating people... he's meant to have a pretty bad temper after all...
 
What if Sonny Landham saw a custom repaint of the HT Billy figure? A good repaint looks just like Billy. Maybe Sonny would go off the deep end and not check his facts and turn up as HT's offices and start beating people... he's meant to have a pretty bad temper after all...


There was some...i dont know its a urban legand or something...that they had security on the set of Predator...NOT to protect Landham, but to protect the other cast members, crew and staff FROM Landham should he have one of his mood swings...

:gun :horror :angelsmil
 
An important aspect that everyone is ignoring is....agents. Any actor working - or hoping to work - is represented by someone, and that someone you have to get through or convince before the actor. Those representing bigger name talent (or talent that thinks it's bigger name) often see stuff like this as small potatoes and not worth bothering their client, so they simply turn it down. If you can't convince the agent/lawyer, you aren't going to get anywhere.
 
An important aspect that everyone is ignoring is....agents. Any actor working - or hoping to work - is represented by someone, and that someone you have to get through or convince before the actor. Those representing bigger name talent (or talent that thinks it's bigger name) often see stuff like this as small potatoes and not worth bothering their client, so they simply turn it down. If you can't convince the agent/lawyer, you aren't going to get anywhere.


More proof....Lawyers are evil!!!!!
 
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