Lieutenant Ed Traxler - The Terminator, the unsung hero of the first film...

[Buttmunch]

But the guys that lived from the T2 Terminator will always live in fear of him coming back

 

[DiFabio]

Remind people of what? That the T1 Terminator kills people with less force than it takes T2 Arnold to injure them? That makes the second terminator even more of a pansy.

Well come on now, the Terminator coldly replies "he'll live" after blowing the guards knee caps clean off. If that along with the way the he just stands there scanning as John talks to him isn't menacing and not "terminator like", I don't know what is. Just because they're not dead doesn't mean they're not in excruciating pain. I think I'd rather have my head blown off completely by a SPAS than have my knee caps blown off and severe brain damage/hemorrhaging from a machine slamming my head into a wall.

And really, when I think about it how many victims actually die by the Terminator's brute force in the first film? The punk getting his heart ripped out, Matt, and possibly only a few others (makes me wonder how he killed Sarah's mom). Most of his kills come from guns. There's just too many ambiguous encounters that I doubt they all end in death. The Paxton punk and 1L19 cop included.

It would be like saying the T-1000 killed Tim and the other kids at the arcade when he shoved pass them. "Oh they bashed their heads off the arcade games, COUNTS AS DEATHS."

If you die from getting lightly thrown into bars, you're a pansy. What a lame death that would be if it is indeed a death for Paxton.

 

[Khev]

It would be like saying the T-1000 killed Tim and the other kids at the arcade when he shoved pass them. "Oh they bashed their heads off the arcade games, COUNTS AS DEATHS."

This is a funny conversation.

If you die from getting lightly thrown into bars, you're a pansy. What a lame death that would be if it is indeed a death for Paxton.

Paxton's "fate" is ambiguous enough that you can assume he survived if you want. I don't think that's the scene's implication however. His entire body was thrown with the terminator only gripping his face after all, the amount of force required to do that would have probably snapped his neck before he even hit the fence. I just think the particular filmmaking technique/budget for that sequence just wasn't quite enough to properly "sell" the scene as its obvious the actor himself hit the fence pretty lightly, as you noted.

I wouldn't take the jibes against the T2 terminator too seriously, he was still a badass, just notably less vicious and efficient than his precursor, that's all.

 

[CelticPredator]

T1 > T2 in badassness.

 

[a-dev]

Because he had free will to be so. T2 T-800 was ordered to behave and in fact was about to kill someone just before John ordered him that he couldn't.

 

[CelticPredator]

Exactly! Hence why T1 is more badass!

 

[a-dev]

So its not T2 T-800s fault. People shouldn't hold it against him! He'd have killed the entire LA police force and SWAT team if he'd been allowed.

 

[CelticPredator]

But he wasnt! People who follow orders to the T arent badass.

Which is why people like John McClain and Martin Riggs are badass mother ____ers!

 

[a-dev]

Its John Connors fault. Old John and young John.

 

[Grange Wallis]

This thread has been derailed! haha

 

[DiFabio]

Terminator killing would have been old hat anyway. Not killing people but ____ing people up in interesting ways (come on, how can you not like seeing the T-800 launching a pellet at a SWAT team members back?) is just as cool as raping police officers with automatic weapons. In fact, the Cyberdyne shoot out kind of mirrors that. The same guy that killed those police officers in 1984 is completely obliterating the police FORCE in the area, without killing them. How embarassing would that be for them? There was a man hunt for "Uncle Bob" too since 1984 and they NEVER caught him.

It was fresh and new. Terminator killing is great, but how about not killing them but severely injuring them?

Plus we had the T-1000, isn't that enough?

 

[CelticPredator]

Saving is overrated. "I say...KILL 'EM ALL!"

 

[marker2037]

Lance Henrikson. One of two men in the world to be killed by an Alien, a Predator, and a Terminator. Yey.

This thread has been derailed! haha

Don't forget Pumpkinhead