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[csi]

You miss the point on scalpers. The problem is they buy any of a limited item at ANY time for the sole purpose of a lazy greedy profit by exploiting collectors who buy because they want the item. As I've said before, scalping is disingenuous and exploitative, legal or not.

Sideshow manufacturing statues and dealers selling them are the free market system. Scalpers are just parasites who ruthlessly exploit other people for money because they can't make money by actually contributing to society, only by taking and bleeding it dry.
Do scalpers have business licenses? Do they pay income tax on their profits? No? Illegal behavior.

yeah, I hate reading this kind of drivel from people who think they and they alone are entitled to something and others are not. I say get over yourself. First of all I don't buy statues to flip, so don't try to attribute my position to that. Second of all, I am all for someone making a profit any way they legally can, especially in this economy, because that is one less person leaching off the rest of us who are working. If you can make a living flipping statues more power to you. In this country you have every right to buy whatever the hell you want and sell it for whatever the hell you want to. If someone wants to buy it then you have what is called free enterprise. As for business license, can you make such a broad generalization? Have you met each and every person who made a profit from selling a statue? Have you ever sold one for more then you paid for it? Or are you the exception because your one of the entitled few who is a true collector so whatever you do can be justified? Do you ever pay less then retail for a statue? Don't you have the same convictions to help out that person who has to take a loss on their statue that devalued? Get off your high horse man. You are no more entitled to the pieces of polystone that Sideshow or any other company sells then anyone else is. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. You will enjoy life a lot better when you get over your entitlement attitude and stop worrying about what every one else does with their toys.

 

[Blackthornone]

yeah, I hate reading this kind of drivel from people who think they and they alone are entitled to something and others are not. I say get over yourself. First of all I don't buy statues to flip, so don't try to attribute my position to that. Second of all, I am all for someone making a profit any way they legally can, especially in this economy, because that is one less person leaching off the rest of us who are working. If you can make a living flipping statues more power to you. In this country you have every right to buy whatever the hell you want and sell it for whatever the hell you want to. If someone wants to buy it then you have what is called free enterprise. As for business license, can you make such a broad generalization? Have you met each and every person who made a profit from selling a statue? Have you ever sold one for more then you paid for it? Or are you the exception because your one of the entitled few who is a true collector so whatever you do can be justified? Do you ever pay less then retail for a statue? Don't you have the same convictions to help out that person who has to take a loss on their statue that devalued? Get off your high horse man. You are no more entitled to the pieces of polystone that Sideshow or any other company sells then anyone else is. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. You will enjoy life a lot better when you get over your entitlement attitude and stop worrying about what every one else does with their toys.

You mean like scalpers who think they are entitled to exploit people for money so they can get money without working for it?

A scalper is one less person leeching off the rest of us? Wrong. Scalpers ARE leeches who leech off of people. As far as not leeching from people, scalpers are no better than robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I have never sold a statue.

Yes, I have paid less than retail for a statue, just like I pay less than retail for most durable goods I buy, particularly on ebay. That's the point. To get bargains.

As far as someone taking a loss on what they bought, they thought that owning it was worth what they paid and then, like most things in the world, those statues went down in value, those people enjoyed the statue for awhile, and then someone else picked it up cheap. That's how most things are in the real world. The collectibles market is an odd duck compared to other things sold in the world. Most things go down in value, not up. It's called the real world.

A scalper doesn't even want it to be their toy in the first place. Often, they don't even have it in their hands before they sell. They buy ENTIRELY to resell at a profit, as quickly as possible.

Scalpers are the ultimate in the entitlement attitude of money for nothing. Collectors just want to pay a fair price to SS for the item, or to a licensed distributor, without some scalper parasite coming along and buying them up to get money without working for it, as if somehow that is any better than panhandling. If anything, panhandling isn't as bad, because at least it's someone being direct about wanting money for nothing. Panhandling is more authentic than scalping.

Scalpers=entitlement in the extreme.

 

[csi]

You mean like scalpers who think they are entitled to exploit people for money so they can get money without working for it?

A scalper is one less person leeching off the rest of us? Wrong. Scalpers ARE leeches who leech off of people. As far as not leeching from people, scalpers are no better than robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I have never sold a statue.

Yes, I have paid less than retail for a statue, just like I pay less than retail for most durable goods I buy, particularly on ebay. That's the point. To get bargains.

As far as someone taking a loss on what they bought, they thought that owning it was worth what they paid and then, like most things in the world, those statues went down in value, those people enjoyed the statue for awhile, and then someone else picked it up cheap. That's how most things are in the real world. The collectibles market is an odd duck compared to other things sold in the world. Most things go down in value, not up. It's called the real world.

A scalper doesn't even want it to be their toy in the first place. Often, they don't even have it in their hands before they sell. They buy ENTIRELY to resell at a profit, as quickly as possible.

Scalpers are the ultimate in the entitlement attitude of money for nothing. Collectors just want to pay a fair price to SS for the item, or to a licensed distributor, without some scalper parasite coming along and buying them up to get money without working for it, as if somehow that is any better than panhandling. If anything, panhandling isn't as bad, because at least it's someone being direct about wanting money for nothing. Panhandling is more authentic than scalping.

Scalpers=entitlement in the extreme.

lol, since when was selling something, anything for a profit, making money and not working for it? How does someone selling something, take advantage of anyone? Are they holding a gun to someone's head? Buyers set the market, not the seller. Simple economics. You are right, it is called the real world, where someone making a profit should be commended, not lamented because some sour fanboy missed out on a statue because he was to lazy to subscribe to the newsletter or get on a computer all week. I truly don't understand the mentality of someone like you who thinks its more honorable to take money for nothing then actually working at selling something. It explains so much about our world and economy today. Bottom line, if you think your the only one entitled to something and you don't want someone else to profit from a statue then buy them all and make sure they don't get one, better yet, open up your own business and sell your own creations, then you can make whatever rules you want. If you want a statue at a fair price, buy it directly from the company when its put up for sale. Problem solved. If your not smart enough to do that, then don't go whining about other people who were. Sideshow does not put a disclaimer on their products saying only for crybaby fanboys and not for resale at mark up. Take care of yourself, and let others do the same. Makes life so much easier on everyone.

 

[Darth Lam]

Is buying shares of stock considered scalping? Should we only buy shares of stock when we are genuinely just supporting a company, and not buy when we think we will make a profit on it later? Are we only allowed to sell things when the price goes down?

As for collecting, I routinely sell things when my collection gets too big, when I'm just not that interested in a piece anymore, or if something better comes along. I usually list on ebay starting at $.99, and just let the market decide the price. By the way, I do have a business permit, and I do pay taxes on sales. Would you still consider me to be the bane of honest collectors that you think scalpers are? My auctions routinely end above retail. Am I a bad person?

 

[Blackthornone]

lol, since when was selling something, anything for a profit, making money and not working for it? How does someone selling something, take advantage of anyone? Are they holding a gun to someone's head? Buyers set the market, not the seller. Simple economics. You are right, it is called the real world, where someone making a profit should be commended, not lamented because some sour fanboy missed out on a statue because he was to lazy to subscribe to the newsletter or get on a computer all week. I truly don't understand the mentality of someone like you who thinks its more honorable to take money for nothing then actually working at selling something. It explains so much about our world and economy today. Bottom line, if you think your the only one entitled to something and you don't want someone else to profit from a statue then buy them all and make sure they don't get one, better yet, open up your own business and sell your own creations, then you can make whatever rules you want. If you want a statue at a fair price, buy it directly from the company when its put up for sale. Problem solved. If your not smart enough to do that, then don't go whining about other people who were. Sideshow does not put a disclaimer on their products saying only for crybaby fanboys and not for resale at mark up. Take care of yourself, and let others do the same. Makes life so much easier on everyone.

When scalpers buy just to force others to pay more, THEY affect the supply by causing artificial scarcity and thus skew the supply vs demand ratio. Therefore scalpers set the market.
Is someone holding a gun to the scalper's head to make money by exploiting people like this? They contribute nothing. The entitlement is far more strong in the scalpers than the collectors.

Missing a statue isn't an issue of laziness when scalpers buy them up. If it was only collectors who bought, then the real demand for the statues would be there, with no artificial scarcity or lack of availability and so if it was sold out in THAT case, yes, it could be called laziness. (Or SS not making enough)

I do order when it comes up, but lately so much comes out at a time that I must drop some and because secondary prices soar so high because of scalpers, I won't be able to get those pieces. I won't buy them because as neat as they are, a polystone PF isn't worth $700, period. Scalpers offer nothing and reduce other people's quality of life just so they can get money for nothing.
( There are people who sell because of a change in priorities who sell at the market value set by scalpers, but they aren't scalpers, because their purchases represented real demand.)
Buying up the whole supply so no one else can get one is the SCALPER mentality, not mine. I have principles.


"I truly don't understand the mentality of someone like you who thinks its more honorable to take money for nothing then actually working at selling something. " That is what scalpers do, take money for nothing. SS WORKS to sell things. They put up preview and listen to fan wants, organize the development team, ect. THEY do the work.

I think that every collector is entitled to get something without paying a greedy lazy opportunistic scalper.

 

[Blackthornone]

Is buying shares of stock considered scalping? Should we only buy shares of stock when we are genuinely just supporting a company, and not buy when we think we will make a profit on it later? Are we only allowed to sell things when the price goes down?

As for collecting, I routinely sell things when my collection gets too big, when I'm just not that interested in a piece anymore, or if something better comes along. I usually list on ebay starting at $.99, and just let the market decide the price. By the way, I do have a business permit, and I do pay taxes on sales. Would you still consider me to be the bane of honest collectors that you think scalpers are? My auctions routinely end above retail. Am I a bad person?

Yes, you SHOULD only buy when you believe in a company. I wouldn't buy stock in a company I wanted to fail. Can you imagine a Christian Fundamentalist buying stock in Vivid Entertainment just for the profits, even though they don't believe in porn? I'm not either, but that isn't the point.

No, from what you describe, you are not a scalper. Scalpers BUY with the intention of selling, whereas collectors buy with the intention of keeping to enjoy. If the item increases in value later on and a collector sells because of a change in priorities, that is ok. The problem is scalpers artificially causing scarcity at time of initial orders.

 

[comicbookguy]

We should let this go, it won't get anywhere as we can do whatever we want with our statues and money. It really does not matter what others say, we can do what we all wish and so be it. Let's go back to ms marvel since this is her thread. Otherwise the mod is going to lock this very soon. So again let's just all be adults move on please.

 

[CanolliCrusader]

Common sense 101 = profit is not a dirty word. Buying low, selling high....welcome to capitalism, no product ever made by man is excluded. The end.

 

[sarakawa]

Yea, you guys are getting a bit heated...to each his own. I think if you are calling out other people for not supporting flippers, you are forcing your opinion on them. I've said it before, i don't appreciate flippers and will never do it myself. I may sell a statue for profit but you can be damn sure i didnt buy the statue with intent to sell and make a profit in the first place. Oh, and I have sold many toys for loss. As for what lamtsunfung stated, no, if you are simply selling to make room or you just need to raise funds long after purchasing something, that does not make you a flipper. Flippers will PO an item and then list it for 2x the price the next day, not start an $0.99 auction years later. BTW, I always start my auctions at $0.99 for the most part as well. In any case, you can't stop flippers but it doesn't mean we have to support or like it.

 

[Drakul]

All I see is a wall of text

 

[dino76m]

flippers are one reason companies like HT and SS are now going the open ES , delated Es, Limited editions, and increased prices, like it or not, that is the truth, if people can buy for insane prices off ebay, y shouldnt the company get the money themselves.
basically these companies are saying screw the flippers, we know there are people who will pay whatever we price it,we will take that money , no problem
Honestly ,if u ask me , Id rather SS hav the money themselves
I know it can hurt the value of my statue as well, but then I should choose wisely , not buying each and every statue on the day of pre order

 

[csi]

When scalpers buy just to force others to pay more, THEY affect the supply by causing artificial scarcity and thus skew the supply vs demand ratio. Therefore scalpers set the market.
Is someone holding a gun to the scalper's head to make money by exploiting people like this? They contribute nothing. The entitlement is far more strong in the scalpers than the collectors.

Missing a statue isn't an issue of laziness when scalpers buy them up. If it was only collectors who bought, then the real demand for the statues would be there, with no artificial scarcity or lack of availability and so if it was sold out in THAT case, yes, it could be called laziness. (Or SS not making enough)

I do order when it comes up, but lately so much comes out at a time that I must drop some and because secondary prices soar so high because of scalpers, I won't be able to get those pieces. I won't buy them because as neat as they are, a polystone PF isn't worth $700, period. Scalpers offer nothing and reduce other people's quality of life just so they can get money for nothing.
( There are people who sell because of a change in priorities who sell at the market value set by scalpers, but they aren't scalpers, because their purchases represented real demand.)
Buying up the whole supply so no one else can get one is the SCALPER mentality, not mine. I have principles.


"I truly don't understand the mentality of someone like you who thinks its more honorable to take money for nothing then actually working at selling something. " That is what scalpers do, take money for nothing. SS WORKS to sell things. They put up preview and listen to fan wants, organize the development team, ect. THEY do the work.

I think that every collector is entitled to get something without paying a greedy lazy opportunistic scalper.

what color is the sky in your world? Your whole post screams entitlement. You think because you can't afford all the statues you want when they are put up for PO, your entitled to get them later at the same price. Grow up man, thats not how the world works. You are so off base on your claim of artificial scarcity as well. If your so called scalpers bought the majority of a product just to artificially inflate the price you might have something, but in reality they only buy a small portion of the product. The price on these things actually rise because the product is highly sought after by collectors and they set the price they are willing to pay on something they missed out on. If someone missed out on the Joker and is willing to pay double for it that is hardly the seller fault. It would be idiotic for the seller to not take what the market offers. I'm sorry you can't have everything you want when you want it and think for some reason your special and deserve to get it later at the same price, but unfortunately life doesn't work that way. Feel free to blame others for the things your lacking, that seems to be the new american way.

Common sense 101 = profit is not a dirty word. Buying low, selling high....welcome to capitalism, no product ever made by man is excluded. The end.

Didn't you hear, Common sense 101 was replaced by I'm entitled 201 and It's all about me 202.

Yea, you guys are getting a bit heated...to each his own. I think if you are calling out other people for not supporting flippers, you are forcing your opinion on them. I've said it before, i don't appreciate flippers and will never do it myself. I may sell a statue for profit but you can be damn sure i didnt buy the statue with intent to sell and make a profit in the first place. Oh, and I have sold many toys for loss. As for what lamtsunfung stated, no, if you are simply selling to make room or you just need to raise funds long after purchasing something, that does not make you a flipper. Flippers will PO an item and then list it for 2x the price the next day, not start an $0.99 auction years later. BTW, I always start my auctions at $0.99 for the most part as well. In any case, you can't stop flippers but it doesn't mean we have to support or like it.

I choose not to care about what others do with the products they buy. In a free economy and free world people are free to do as they please. I choose not to differentiate between someone who buys with the intention to make a profit, and someone who buy with the intention of keeping and later sells to make a profit. Neither person deserves to be vilified, unless he came and smacked you over the head and took it out of your hands to sell it. Sideshow/Bowen/ETC gives everyone the exact same opportunity to get these statues. If you are able to get one then its yours to do what you please with. If you don't, then you have lost any claim of entitlement to it at a later day and are subjected to the market to get one. That's not called scalping, its called life.

 

[dino76m]

maybe sideshow could do the same thing as well, put up something like Doom LSF for pre order ,with a closed ES , about 50 in no, and lets say instead of setting a price for it , they should head straight to ebay to auction it off, SIdeshow wins,50 collectors wins , lol

 

[csi]

maybe sideshow could do the same thing as well, put up something like Doom LSF for pre order ,with a closed ES , about 50 in no, and lets say instead of setting a price for it , they should head straight to ebay to auction it off, SIdeshow wins,50 collectors wins , lol

its their product, conceivably they can do what they want with it can they not? Or are we entitled to their products at a price we dictate?

 

[dino76m]

i just want to see the whining afterwards lol

 

[sarakawa]

what color is the sky in your world? Your whole post screams entitlement. You think because you can't afford all the statues you want when they are put up for PO, your entitled to get them later at the same price. Grow up man, thats not how the world works. You are so off base on your claim of artificial scarcity as well. If your so called scalpers bought the majority of a product just to artificially inflate the price you might have something, but in reality they only buy a small portion of the product. The price on these things actually rise because the product is highly sought after by collectors and they set the price they are willing to pay on something they missed out on. If someone missed out on the Joker and is willing to pay double for it that is hardly the seller fault. It would be idiotic for the seller to not take what the market offers. I'm sorry you can't have everything you want when you want it and think for some reason your special and deserve to get it later at the same price, but unfortunately life doesn't work that way. Feel free to blame others for the things your lacking, that seems to be the new american way.



Didn't you hear, Common sense 101 was replaced by I'm entitled 201 and It's all about me 202.



I choose not to care about what others do with the products they buy. In a free economy and free world people are free to do as they please. I choose not to differentiate between someone who buys with the intention to make a profit, and someone who buy with the intention of keeping and later sells to make a profit. Neither person deserves to be vilified, unless he came and smacked you over the head and took it out of your hands to sell it. Sideshow/Bowen/ETC gives everyone the exact same opportunity to get these statues. If you are able to get one then its yours to do what you please with. If you don't, then you have lost any claim of entitlement to it at a later day and are subjected to the market to get one. That's not called scalping, its called life.

Actually it's scalping. Hence the term existing. In any case u have ur opinion and I have mine and I'm content to leave it at that.

 

[Colossus]

Deep Very Deep

 

[Darth Lam]

I think the biggest concern here is really whether or not Sideshow will ever be allowed to create another backside as marvelous as Ms. Marvel's. Probably the best one I've seen from them. Let's talk about that...

 

[dino76m]

I think the biggest concern here is really whether or not Sideshow will ever be allowed to create another backside as marvelous as Ms. Marvel's. Probably the best one I've seen from them. Let's talk about that...

if u have one could u send it over to me, i would like to check it very close up

 

[csi]

I think the biggest concern here is really whether or not Sideshow will ever be allowed to create another backside as marvelous as Ms. Marvel's. Probably the best one I've seen from them. Let's talk about that...

Psylocke's not bad. Hoping Poison Ivy's measures up.