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I didn't watch every play of last night's game, but it looked to me like a lot more blame should go toward the O-line than toward Luck specifically. No pocket passing QB is going to look good or make good throws consistently when the defense is harassing him and providing good coverage like Carolina was (most of) last night. That's one huge difference between the Saints of the first few games and now. The O-line has started to gel, and is giving Brees breathing space, opening up running lanes, and giving receivers time to get open.
 
If Andrew Luck is indeed injured, why not just shut him down? Sure, the Colts will probably win the AFC South and get a playoff spot, but they're not going to be Superbowl contenders. Why risk further injury to Luck as Demarcus Ware (miss him in Dallas) and Von Miller come calling?
 
Wait I remember when Brady had a Bad O line and receivers not getting open or making plays not doing all that well. When was that? Oh yeah last year. Is Luck playing bad sure but watch that game look at balls receivers could have made plays on and didn't, then watch some of Cams receivers make big catches to move the chains. Luck is pressing and trying to force things mostly because he isn't getting lot of help. Also its want Luck who has fumbled not one but twice going into the endzone this year.

Now to your Hasselbeck point , you are sayingn that cant beat anyone outside the division well Hasselbeck beat what two teams? Oh thats right Texans and Jags. So Hasselbeck is 2-0 against the south and Luck is 1-0 against the south. Hasselbeck didnt have to play the Jets, the Bills (both D's were HOT) the Pats (but they suck right?) the Saints and the Panthers (also another top D)

Oh yeah... last year. Remember what the Pats did last year? With that same O-Line? Do you remember? I think you do. Super Bowl champs. Against one of the historically best defenses.

"Watch Cams receivers make big catches to move the chains" It helps when Cam is actually moving around in the pocket and outside of it and throwing the ball to the receiver. How many balls did Luck throw that hit the ground? I lost count.

You just explained why Luck is terrible. "pressing and trying to force things mostly because he isn't getting any help" Well, lets go back to Brady again. Brady would LOVED to have the receivers the Colts have right now from 2001-2006. Brady didn't force things. Or pressed. Because he is not an idiot in the pocket. Luck needs to learn the best play is not always forcing the ball down the field. I guarantee if he did this the Colts would have won a few more games.

Why is it in year four that Luck is still making the same mistakes as in his rookie year? We going to make more excuses for this guy? He is an idiot in the pocket. Thus translating to him making terrible plays. He is terrible this year. There are 20 QBs I would take over Luck right now.

I'm pretty sure that if you polled all the coaches and GMs in the league and ask them which player they'd draft first to build their franchise around for the next ten years (THAT'S THE CAVEAT: the next ten years, so Brady and Rodgers are out of the equation), Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson would be the top two names.

Brady wants to play another ten years. Rodgers will to. I would take Brady or Rodgers over Luck for the next ten years. I would take Wilson or Newton over Luck.

Andrew Luck is gonna be in a lot of trouble this week with Denvers defense

Multiple interceptions. Hopefully Denver exposes Luck for what he really is this year. A overrated, excuse riddled, poor pocket decision passer who is playing terrible.

If Andrew Luck is indeed injured, why not just shut him down? Sure, the Colts will probably win the AFC South and get a playoff spot, but they're not going to be Superbowl contenders. Why risk further injury to Luck as Demarcus Ware (miss him in Dallas) and Von Miller come calling?

They could make the playoffs with Matt Hasselbeck with that schedule they have. Matt can beat the three division opponents and Tampa. That is 7 wins... enough to win the division.
 
Ok your right the Colts should cut him immediately.:slap

I bet you also though Manning was terrible in his early years too.
 
Colts just fired the OC

Good decision.

Ok your right the Colts should cut him immediately.:slap

I bet you also though Manning was terrible in his early years too.

Never said Luck should be cut. Just benched until he is healed up and learns how to play smart football again.

Manning was terrible during his early years to and he turned out fine.

I think you are jumping to conclusions when reading my posts. You can't say "Luck is fine." No, Luck truly is playing terrible and with only two epic quarters all year.... he needs to get better. I am not giving up hope on Luck for his whole career.... just for this year.

Luck is surrounded by garbage, you can't do anything with a Swiss cheese line, non existent run game and ****** receivers

Garbage? Two good tight ends, top tier receiver, great veteran receiver, and a top 10 running back are considered garbage?
 
Luck is stinking it up this year but not nearly as bad as kaepernick who just got benched in favor of Blaine ****ing gabbert. My team is an embarrassment to the nfl at least the Colts have an owner who cares about football. Jed dork is a privileged little rat scumbag who only cares about money and himself. He Used harbaugh to get a new stadium and sold pcls to fans under false pretenses. He is easily the most hated person in the bay area and it's only going to get worse. This kid shouldn't be running a McDonald's let alone a professional football team. Instead of stepping up and being a leader he hides away from the media and let's the buffoon of a coach he hired take all the blame.
 
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Oh yeah... last year. Remember what the Pats did last year? With that same O-Line? Do you remember? I think you do. Super Bowl champs. Against one of the historically best defenses.

"Watch Cams receivers make big catches to move the chains" It helps when Cam is actually moving around in the pocket and outside of it and throwing the ball to the receiver. How many balls did Luck throw that hit the ground? I lost count.

You just explained why Luck is terrible. "pressing and trying to force things mostly because he isn't getting any help" Well, lets go back to Brady again. Brady would LOVED to have the receivers the Colts have right now from 2001-2006. Brady didn't force things. Or pressed. Because he is not an idiot in the pocket. Luck needs to learn the best play is not always forcing the ball down the field. I guarantee if he did this the Colts would have won a few more games.

Why is it in year four that Luck is still making the same mistakes as in his rookie year? We going to make more excuses for this guy? He is an idiot in the pocket. Thus translating to him making terrible plays. He is terrible this year. There are 20 QBs I would take over Luck right now.



Brady wants to play another ten years. Rodgers will to. I would take Brady or Rodgers over Luck for the next ten years. I would take Wilson or Newton over Luck.



Multiple interceptions. Hopefully Denver exposes Luck for what he really is this year. A overrated, excuse riddled, poor pocket decision passer who is playing terrible.



They could make the playoffs with Matt Hasselbeck with that schedule they have. Matt can beat the three division opponents and Tampa. That is 7 wins... enough to win the division.

Did Andrew luck fack someone in your family? Dude you're bashing of him is relentless ..... Take it easy, he has the ****tiest team around him
 
Brady wants to play another ten years. Rodgers will to. I would take Brady or Rodgers over Luck for the next ten years. I would take Wilson or Newton over Luck.

Wanting to do something and actually doing it are two different things. Tom Brady is in his 16th season and is 38. True, he's playing as well this year as he ever has, but I highly doubt he will be able to play 26 seasons as a starting caliber QB until he is 48.

Rodgers is 31 and in his 11th season. He might be able to play for another 10 years...but that's pushing things.

I thought there was a coach/GM poll recently, but couldn't find it. However, there was a fan poll for the rest of us arm chair QBs:

"Which player would you pick to start your NFL team?

The NFL asked this question on Instagram and it should come as no surprise that Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck received 34 percent of the fan vote.

Three Pro Bowls and playoff appearances in as many seasons makes Luck an obvious No. 1 choice. And the NFL leader in TD passes last season (40) turns 26 in September, so he’s still young with room to grow.

That’s probably why he edged Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who was second with 31 percent of the vote. Rodgers has the more established career — his 10-year career passer rating of 106 ranks first in league history. He’s won one Super Bowl ring been voted NFL MVP twice and has been selected to four Pro Bowls.

He’s 31, so if the question is starting a franchise, it makes sense to take the guy who has more longevity, right?

When an NFL Network panel of retired stars Kurt Warner, Michael Irvin, Marshall Faulk and Warren Sapp debated the question last year, Warner and Sapp chose Rodgers while Irvin wanted Luck and Faulk picked Houston Texans defensive end J.J. Watt.

“I would just take Luck for the youth in what I see going forward,” Irvin said.

Luck’s 12,957 passing yards is the most ever for a passer in the league’s first three seasons.
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Watt, 26, received 13 percent of the fan vote. In just four seasons, he’s been named NFL Defensive Player of the Year twice. He’s everyone’s choice as the game’s top defensive player.

The NFL fan poll finished with Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson at 12 percent and Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton at 10 percent."

Never said Luck should be cut. Just benched until he is healed up and learns how to play smart football again. I think you are jumping to conclusions when reading my posts. You can't say "Luck is fine." No, Luck truly is playing terrible and with only two epic quarters all year.... he needs to get better. I am not giving up hope on Luck for his whole career.... just for this year.

Playing Matt Hasselbeck has no upside. You let your young quarterback play through and learn from his mistakes. They aren't going to win the Super Bowl this year, with or without Luck (pun intended). Shut him down only if he truly is injured.

Garbage? Two good tight ends, top tier receiver, great veteran receiver, and a top 10 running back are considered garbage?

Colby Fleener and Dwayne Allen are decent, TY Hilton can makes some plays but I don't think many in the NFL would consider him a top tier receiver yet, Andre Johnson...well, he's no longer the player he used to be, as is Frank Gore, who's currently 12th in rushing yards, 16th in rushing average and yards per game, and 10th in TDs but 2nd in fumbles.
 
Playing Matt Hasselbeck has no upside. You let your young quarterback play through and learn from his mistakes. They aren't going to win the Super Bowl this year, with or without Luck (pun intended). Shut him down only if he truly is injured.

Colby Fleener and Dwayne Allen are decent, TY Hilton can makes some plays but I don't think many in the NFL would consider him a top tier receiver yet, Andre Johnson...well, he's no longer the player he used to be, as is Frank Gore, who's currently 12th in rushing yards, 16th in rushing average and yards per game, and 10th in TDs but 2nd in fumbles.

Not sure if it was you, or someone else, but I said the same thing about Manziel and RGIII and got bashed for it... but it is okay for Luck to play through mistakes that he has been making for four years now?

Luck said he is healthy now.... so I guess rethinking this I would play him for the rest of the year. Still does not change my opinion that they won't win a non-division game for the whole year. There best chance is beating the Bucs....

As far as his offense goes... he has better weapons than a lot of QBs. Difference is that he can't seem to make these guys look like stars like Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees does...
 
Not sure if it was you, or someone else, but I said the same thing about Manziel and RGIII and got bashed for it... but it is okay for Luck to play through mistakes that he has been making for four years now?

Luck said he is healthy now.... so I guess rethinking this I would play him for the rest of the year. Still does not change my opinion that they won't win a non-division game for the whole year. There best chance is beating the Bucs....

As far as his offense goes... he has better weapons than a lot of QBs. Difference is that he can't seem to make these guys look like stars like Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees does...
But those two have NEVER shown they can play for the pocket. RG3 had a great year when he ran. When he stopped running he was garbage. Kap is the same. Manzeil never looked good even in college as a true QB.
 
Not sure if it was you, or someone else, but I said the same thing about Manziel and RGIII and got bashed for it... but it is okay for Luck to play through mistakes that he has been making for four years now?

Luck said he is healthy now.... so I guess rethinking this I would play him for the rest of the year. Still does not change my opinion that they won't win a non-division game for the whole year. There best chance is beating the Bucs....

As far as his offense goes... he has better weapons than a lot of QBs. Difference is that he can't seem to make these guys look like stars like Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees does...

I can't believe you put Manziel and luck in the same sentence, I bet they won't score more than one offensive td tomorrow with that clown at qb
 
I can't believe you put Manziel and luck in the same sentence, I bet they won't score more than one offensive td tomorrow with that clown at qb

Don't go too far out on a limb or anything. As a Browns fan, I can attest that they rarely score more than one offensive TD, whether they need to or not. Doesn't matter if they have Johnny Foosball or Johnny Unitas. :D
 
Not sure if it was you, or someone else, but I said the same thing about Manziel and RGIII and got bashed for it... but it is okay for Luck to play through mistakes that he has been making for four years now?

Wasn't me (at least I don't think so). I don't bash anyone for their opinion...although I'll disagree and attempt to provide counter points.

You're right though, I am not a RGIII fan (and apparently neither is the current Washington brain trust). I'm sure if it were still business as usual, Dan Snyder would be telling the coaching staff to play RGIII, but since he hired an actual GM (Scot McCloughan) they're not going to put RGIII on the field. As I previously mentioned, his salary next year of $16 million is fully guaranteed in case of injury. They'll try to trade him, but most likely will have no takers, as most teams will know Washington will cut him.

It'll be pretty funny if St. Louis picks him up. In addition to all the picks they got from Washington, they'd have RGIII as well. :lol
 
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