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There's no originality or sentimentality in hollywood anymore. It's all remakes and people trying to do fresh things with new technology. The test of a true success is the ability to stand up over time, for example, the Star Wars OT trilogy in it's original form is as popular and loved today amongst the CGI world we're now in as it was when it was breakthrough, and Predator is a classic film of the genre that couldn't be any better.
 
Lets hope this is just a vicious rumor... no remakes needed or wanted!

Also I don't think you could do much to improve the original... it looks good (not a lot of complicated effects) and the combination of cast, creature and setting are awesome :rock
 
If they remade Predator today, the studio would dictate that they show the Predator in the first 5 minutes. It would open up with an attack like the opening of AVP. Nobody can appreciate the "slow-build" of Alien or Predator anymore. It's all up-front and in-your-face. That is what the MTV generation did to our culture. Nobody has the patience for slow ploting suspense any longer.
 
dekadentdave said:
If they remade Predator today, the studio would dictate that they show the Predator in the first 5 minutes. It would open up with an attack like the opening of AVP. Nobody can appreciate the "slow-build" of Alien or Predator anymore. It's all up-front and in-your-face. That is what the MTV generation did to our culture. Nobody has the patience for slow ploting suspense any longer.

It's actually a viscious circle. Somewhere in time, someone gave the world something they were used to getting but in a faster manner, so the world came to want it at that speed and the anty was upped for faster, and now, as you pointed out, the demand is for faster and faster gratification and it ruins a great deal of things, but it's as much the producers of the goods as the consumer's fault. The only hope would be for the producers to take a stand and make efforts to slow things down. That's why I'm resting a lot of hope on John Rambo, I'm hoping it's a classic 80's action film made today to bring back what worked in film long before CGI ruled, I love CGI, but some classics can stand up without the need of it.
 
I can tell you it all boils down to one word: fashion. And it's nothing new. Every generation has always complained that the current version of their favorite story, be it an oral telling or mounted production, was getting it all wrong. (And they also complained that Shakespeare was writing another sequel or that someone is remaking Faust again and have the storytellers run completely out of ideas?) And the reason is because fashions change.

Movies in the 80s have a certain rythem and follow certain conceits that were fashionable at the time. Today what's fashionable is getting to the story faster. Today's audiences are much more sophisticated than we were in the 80s. They've seen much more and demand much more than we did. And every generation of audiences want their stories to seem fresh, with their telling tailored specifically for them.

That expressed, John Cene would be a huge mistake.
 
WWE wrestler. the guy is quite a good actor, at least in wrestling. He's quite charismatic.

but in predator? i dont' know... it would all depend on how the script is. i don't think cena would be the one to destroy the movie... it would all be in the script.
 
gdb said:
I can tell you it all boils down to one word: fashion. And it's nothing new. Every generation has always complained that the current version of their favorite story, be it an oral telling or mounted production, was getting it all wrong. (And they also complained that Shakespeare was writing another sequel or that someone is remaking Faust again and have the storytellers run completely out of ideas?) And the reason is because fashions change.

Movies in the 80s have a certain rythem and follow certain conceits that were fashionable at the time. Today what's fashionable is getting to the story faster. Today's audiences are much more sophisticated than we were in the 80s. They've seen much more and demand much more than we did. And every generation of audiences want their stories to seem fresh, with their telling tailored specifically for them.

I think you make some really good points... but whats sad is that audiences increasingly seem unable to take themselves out of their own time/context and appreciate a film for when it was made. I love older films and TCM is one of my favorite channels, but that seems to be more of an oddity than the norm which is too bad since there are so many amazing and great films that many would consider boring, or (gasp) would prefer colorized :google

And its not even sometimes being unable to appreciate the context of older films but foreign as well. It always kills me when people complain about having to read subtitles :rolleyes:
 
Joining this discussion a little late, but I have to agree that a remake of this SF classic would be pointless. So maybe they could throw in some new junk to give the "new" generation of movie-goers the kind of stuff they expect, but so f'n what? Waste of time and money if you ask me. There have simply been far too many remakes that fail to surpass, let alone equal the original, and more often than not they turn out to be little more than a wasted effort. (Planet of the Apes, The Time Machine... the list goes on and on). Better to spend the money on a good original script and make something new, imo.
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The original Predator just isn't old enough yet to merit a whole makeover. Besides that, I think it would be hard to beat the style that has made it such an enduring classic, no small part of which was due the chemistry of that great cast. :cool:

Well, there's my lousy two cents, for what it's worth. Here's to hoping it really is only an ugly rumor, and that an all new Predator 3 installment is in the works instead. :D
 
Predator was a PERFECT film, IMO.There is NOTHING they could add to a remake to improve the original product.
 
why on earth, remake a legend film, that was done so well to make the pred who he is today, and by remakeing that would kill it, just for gods sake make a P3, we dont need a pointless film, that ruins a legendrey character or in some cases characters.

I pray predator isnt remade, we would most likey see another T3,resurection
 
King Darkness said:
Predator was a PERFECT film, IMO.There is NOTHING they could add to a remake to improve the original product.

Tell that to King Kong, Godzilla, Mighty Joe Young, It! The Terror from Beyond Space, Planet of the Apes.
A movie being done over doesn't necessarily mean it will be "better". To me the perfect case will be seen this year with the "reimagined" Halloween.
 
Ironman1188 said:
Tell that to King Kong, Godzilla, Mighty Joe Young, It! The Terror from Beyond Space, Planet of the Apes.
A movie being done over doesn't necessarily mean it will be "better". To me the perfect case will be seen this year with the "reimagined" Halloween.

Well, I can only comment on the few I've seen, but...

I grew up as and still am a big Japanese Godzilla fan, and the American version plain and simply should never have beared the title of Godzilla. I liked the film, and it's fun to watch, but the only ways it comes close to being Godzilla is large lizard and piss-poorly, fire breath. It should have been called something else and then it would have just been a cool monster movie, but the entire concept of what Godzilla is was lost in that film.

Planet of the Apes was also a case where the film took the most simplistic elements of what the original films were about and what we got was very detached from the original and should also have just been titled differently.

King Kong on the other hand, was quite true to the original, even to go as far as incorporating the deleted bug pit scene, but it took the original and pumped it up on steroids so to speak, and it does stand as the original reimagined, I don't think anyone watching the original '33 Kong and Peter Jackson's would feel that it was anything more than a more elaborate version of the classic, and in that case, there were 70 years of growth in Hollywood and I think at that point, it is interesting to see what would happen if the story were told with newer technologies.

Halloween, I expect to be a similar case as King Kong, can't say until I see it, but from the interviews with Zombie, the impression I get is he felt the original didn't delve into Michael's character enough and felt there was something there to explore. Now while the classic in ways was great cuz there was no justification to his murders, the new version may not even justify them and only give a long chain of events so instead of being some kid that snapped once, waited 17 years and snapped again (ignoring the sequel plot lines) he'd be this ****ed up kid that all his life was pure evil, which would be a very scary thing and wouldn't take away from it. I think Myers will still be Myers in this film.

As for remaking Predator, Arnold is by no means a great actor, but his performance is not about being a Tom Hanks, it's about being Arnold. Yes we have people like The Rock and this other guy they're talking about who can be that big muscle guy who can't really act just do kickass action, but I don't think anyone will ever be as entertaining in the roles Arnold was cast in as he was. Casting for the film was actually perfect, you felt like they were a tight unit, Carl Weathers played a ferfect *******, there's no room for a ""better"" cast, so that's one element not to remake. There's the story line, an Alien from outter space comes to earth for a ritualistic hunt. While Halloween may alter the character's core plot, many people hated where the sequels took his background, but with Predator, it's been accepted and loved by the core fans, the Predators perform hunts every so many years and use earth as a hunting ground, no reason to change it. You could argue that the special effects between Predater 1 & 2 and AVP were much improved on the cloaking, but frankly, I don't think they look "cheesy" or "old school" in Predator, it was something not done before so it set the bar of what a transparent, light-bending being would look like and it works, in some scenes you can't even tell where it is if you haven't seen the film 30 times, they did a good job and I even felt AVP moderned the effect up a bit too much. The cast was good, the plot works, the effects were there and creature design was perfect, there is nothing to be reimagined there, nothing that could have been better. A Predator remake wouldn't be about any grand reinvisioning, it's a cult classic film, it's not like a King Kong or Planet of the Apes that stand as Hallmarks of classic films, and remaking it would just be a show by Hollywood that it doesn't care to put any effort into developing original concepts and stories and just thinks everything old should be made new. The only good that could come from a Predator remake is that hopefully it would turn off people and steer them to the original and grow it's following.
 
Would you guys still have liked Predator if they stuck with the original design?
I think it looks cool, but it's not the "PREDATOR" I've come to admire.

Here's a shot of the "proto-predator":
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I'd buy it if Hot Toys decides to make it though. :eek:
 
It's more alien, but less iconic.
They really pulled off a miracle the second time around.
That head and mouth!

BTW, I think a P3 is fine. Bring Cena on. In that format...
A remake is simply put, A BAD IDEA!
 
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