Painters and recasters

[Darklord Dave]

If you are using a known recaster as a painter - you are facilitating the distribution of sculpts in a way not sanctioned by the artist.

If you send a sculpt to a painter who is a known recaster it gives him the opportunity to recast it and sell it on. I recommend to all artists not to sell to any member that will use such a person for painting services.

 

[EmmaT]

Do you have a list of known recasters as painters? I wouldn't want to send a sculpt to someone that does this. I personally don't know any that is.

 

[pixletwin]

A list would definitely be better than a vague warning, imo.

 

[Jen]

This thread isn't going to be a witch hunt against people who have purchased recasts ( though it is frowned upon). It is the people doing recasting that we are wanting to warn artists and buyers of. So far the two I know who fit this bill are Q (who has had people on this board buy for him - those the Admin know of have been banned...but there is probably more) and Odell - who has had several different names on this board.

 

[galactiboy]

Lets leave personal attacks out of the thread. The Indy PF was not a recast item... it was altered significantly (shrunk down in size) and then offered for sale. It's certainly on the more iffy side, but as far as I know it was not nor is a prohibited item.

This warning applies to artist who are making recasts of heads that are sent to them for painting in order to produce them for their own sales. Not artist who have painted recast items as that probably applies to most of those who take commissions as they are not always aware of the origin of a piece sent to them.

 

[ShortRound]

This thread isn't going to be a witch hunt against people who have purchased recasts ( though it is frowned upon). It is the people doing recasting that we are wanting to warn artists and buyers of. So far the two I know who fit this bill are Q (who has people on this board he buy for him - those the Admin know of have been banned...but there is probably more) and Odell - who has had several different names on this board.

That's what the other thread was suppose to be doing. Look at it now.

 

[thenammagazine]

Lets leave personal attacks out of the thread. The Indy PF was not a recast item... it was altered significantly (shrunk down in size) and then offered for sale. It's certainly on the more iffy side, but as far as I know it was not nor is a prohibited item.

Do you understand how hydrospan works? It was a straight-up recast.

 

[galactiboy]

Do you understand how hydrospan works? It was a straight-up recast.

Yes, I'm familiar with how Hydroshrink works... however it did take some level of ability to do accomplish (I've seen ones that looked like a troll afterward) and time. At the end the item offered was not previously available. Had the PF been 1/6 scale and just copied it would have been different, but it was changed.

As I said, it is probably a bit more iffy than other projects or "altered" sculpts but I personally think it falls in the okay category.

 

[ShortRound]

Yes, I'm familiar with how Hydroshrink works... however it did take some level of ability to do that (I've seen ones that looked like a troll afterward) and time and the item offered was not previously available. Had the PF been 1/6 scale and just copied it would have been different, but it was changed.

As I said, it is probably a bit more iffy than other projects or "altered" sculpts but I personally think it falls in the okay category.

Could not have said it better myself.

 

[Jen]

That's what the other thread was suppose to be doing. Look at it now.

It's been closed.

 

[Kuzeh]

You'd think that the mods would be capable of seeing that all you guys are doing here is trolling me. My posts were relevant to the topic, asking for clarification on Dave's considerably vague post. You guys? Trolling my posts.

Answer me a few questions:

- How many customs do you have?
- From whom?
- Do you buy unpainted heads?
- Which ones?
- How many do you have?
- Do you paint heads?
- Do you commission custom work?
- From whom?
- Do you customize?
- Do you cast?
- Do you sculpt?...

 

[thenammagazine]

The BIG difference is one is not allowed and gets you banned. The other is not.

That didn't really make sense in the context of the post.

 

[emarae]

Emarae isn't an artist. He's simply a collector.

First of all, I like to consider myself an artist! It's how I made my living for over 20 years anyways. Do I knowingly buy stuff, that's another story...

I was made aware of the other thread that was just closed last night and that my name was being thrown around. I started to leave a long post, but couldn't post it as it was closed soon after! I thought I wasted a good 30 minutes of my life trying to air things out, but have now found this thread, so I'll post what I wrote here. And for those trying to throw me under the bus without asking first, you know what you can do with yourselves!
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Hey gang! Just wanted to chime in to this thread as it was brought to my attention a few times since attending Famcon that my name is being thrown around in connection to buying recasts from Q or something like that. I never followed this thread as I'm not interested in topics like this that waste more of my valuable time as they can just be never ending long debates. When I find the time I'll check this thread to see where I come up specifically, but to hopefully clear some air on where I come in, here is my long boring story if anyone really cares that much..!

I know Q as I used to be a fairly frequent Frank & Sons shopper. I don't go as often as I used to, but it's not far from me if I need to go anytime I want when they're open. He's been there for years and only got to know him better in the past year or so since I have been seriously into 1/6 collectibles. I've been collecting 1/6 seriously for about 2 years now, so not very long at all compared to many of you here. Look at my post numbers and you'll see I've only made around 700 so far. I have no idea how some of you can reach numbers like 20,000 or more, but it would seem to me some certainly have more free time than I do. That being said, I don't follow that many threads and often miss out on things or come in late because of this. But somehow I have been lucky to still get on lists for figures I want and much of it is from following the few friends I have made here and following the work of artist I like, such as Rainman and Betomatali and the works of iminime to name a few.

I'm a late comer to Breaking Bad as I just started watching the series a few months back. I instantly became a fan and was now understanding what was so popular about the bashes I've been seeing of a bald guy with chem equipment. At first I thought it was some guy from a show like Myth Busters or something, and didn't even have a clue it was the father from Malcolm in the Middle... Anyways, I quickly learned the sculpt was from Trevor Grove who I have personally come to know. I also came to watching Dexter late and also became a late comer fan of that series. Anyways, I tried to buy the Walter Whites from Trevor, but he told me he no longer was making casts and would persue other endeavors, but might make more in the future.

Since I couldn't buy directly from Trevor, I did what anyone else would and looked on ebay and towards the SSF Forum for leads. Somehow I found someone selling the sculpts through some thread and contacted him about buying the cast. I forget the user name, but I don't recall it having "Q" in it. To be safe, I remember asking around (I don't care to mention names here) if this guy was legit and wouldn't rip me off and from what I gathered things were cool. I got my sculpts and had no idea they were recasts as they're really well done! The seller asked me to leave some feedback which I was glad to do, but in the end it seems I have been incriminated for doing so. Oh well..!

Now, even though I knew Q personally, I didn't know of his reputation. I didn't even know the guy I knew at Frank & Sons was Q until much later as well. For sometime I even thought Q was another guy at Frank & Sons, so I was all mixed up. I have since learned that I bought my casts from Q using another name and that my casts were recasts.

Ebay is another story as I buy TONS of stuff on ebay. I buy what I need at the time and don't really check sellers names as long as they have good feedback. I also buy & sell things for friends and family, so it's no ones business in the end how I use my account. Last I checked I had about 4,000 feedbacks at 100%, so not too bad. Anyways, I don't keep track of Q or his various different names, so I'll be more careful as to not upset anyone. I enjoy the hobby of kit bashing and I shop for what I need to meet my end goals for my own personal collection.

Am I a Q supporter, no. Did I buy from Q in the past, yes. Did I know or care about all of the drama, no. Do I support recasting, that's debatable and I don't care to comment now as I've already spent too much time putting out my personal story. I'm spending way too much time on this forum...! :/

 

[ShortRound]

I'm sorry Marlo. Yes you are a comic book artist. He meant 1/6 custom artist who takes commissions.

Sorry if I offended.

 

[csi]

So is the board banning just recasters, or people who buy recasts too? What about the people who paint them, or use them in customs? I am pretty clear on the fact that the boards have no problems with people who steal people's likeness and/or property rights, just with the people who steal from that group.

 

[Jen]

So is the board banning just recasters, or people who buy recasts too? What about the people who paint them, or use them in customs? I am pretty clear on the fact that the boards have no problems with people who steal people's likeness and/or property rights, just with the people who steal from that group.

The board bans recasters. There are some recasters that also offer painting services. People will unknowingly send them their heads to paint, they recaster then makes casts of that sculpt they are paid to paint and sell the recasts without the owner of the head knowing.

 

[thenammagazine]

The board bans recasters. There are some recasters that also offer painting services. People will unknowingly send them their heads to paint, they recaster then makes casts of that sculpt they are paid to paint and sell the recasts without the owner of the head knowing.

Really, how would they even know if the head they got back that'd been painted was even the original head?

 

[emarae]

I'm sorry Marlo. Yes you are a comic book artist. He meant 1/6 custom artist who takes commissions.

Sorry if I offended.

No offense at all, Shorty! I know you have my back and I told you sorta what happened at Famcon in regards to my Q purchases.

I think I have a whopping 3 items that I bought from him unknowingly that turned out to be recasts which I also didn't know at the time. Yay! It sucks waking up to this BS as I spent a few hours last night posting nothing but love of this hobby in various threads from the good times we had at Famcon! I got a lot more insight into Q and it's pretty crazy with the stories..!

 

[yruh8n]

So is the board banning just recasters, or people who buy recasts too? What about the people who paint them, or use them in customs? I am pretty clear on the fact that the boards have no problems with people who steal people's likeness and/or property rights, just with the people who steal from that group.

Did you get permission from DC/Warner Brothers to use Batman as your avatar? I know you are not making a profit from it, but I'll bet you are useing their property without their permission?

 

[Jen]

Really, how would they even know if the head they got back that'd been painted was even the original head?

They probably wouldn't and this is another reason to be sure the painters you pay to paint your stuff are on the up and up. If your painter is also known to recast, then you probably don't want to send them your stuff to paint. Hopefully a list will get compiled by Dave and others to help folks who might not be aware.