Paypal Protection only in the US?

[hehateme23]

My question was about the seller's protection the seller told me about. When he says that he's not protected with regular paypal payment outside of USA borders is he lying or not.

The seller can't be protected unless he provides proof of delivery and a signature if its valued over $250. Both those options are only available with Express Mail (I believe) and shipping costs are usually in the $50-$70 range.

 

[hehateme23]

Of course USPS does offer signature confirmation.
Like in every country you can add to any registred mai (international or not) the return receipt.

From usps FAQs
https://www.usps.com/ship/insurance-and-extra-services.htm

USPS offers that, but paypal doesn't accept that as proof for some reason. Don't know why, but they don't.

 

[SwedishHeat]

Of course USPS does offer signature confirmation.
Like in every country you can add to any registred mai (international or not) the return receipt.

From usps FAQs
https://www.usps.com/ship/insurance-and-extra-services.htm

USPS offers that, but paypal doesn't accept that as proof for some reason. Don't know why, but they don't.

True, PayPal only accepts an online viewable signature as proof of delivery, AKA, you have to add Signature Confirmation, it's a specific USPS service that is not available for international packages.

I had a guy go in and sign the pink card at the post office, so I had physical proof that he signed for it, but PayPal wouldn't accept it. It has to be 'virtual' proof.

 

[olbertfrog]

Huh?
Paypal does accept return receipt, i had the experience last week.
I've sold a HT PREDATOR Royce, shipped by registered airmail + return receipt.
It took a bit longer than expected to reach the buyer, he contacted paypal, i've provided the registration number and signed return receipt scan.
No problem.

Well i have no problem with sellers who dont want to ship international.
Everyone has a right to do what he wants.
Whats been bothering me is that he asked directly for gift payment and that he says he's not covered by paypal policy. Wich is false.
I offered to pay the fees for regular payment and i asked for a tracked, registered shipping method. And as for trust it's no like i just arrived on the forum...

I have a friend who is havin a very bad experience with a board member US seller who asked to be paid by gift (wich i advised him not to) and shipped with no tracking, when my friend paid for a shipping method with tracking... And on the top of that the seller got his name wrong...

So i'm aware of do and don't

 

[olbertfrog]

True, PayPal only accepts an online viewable signature as proof of delivery, AKA, you have to add Signature Confirmation, it's a specific USPS service that is not available for international packages.

I had a guy go in and sign the pink card at the post office, so I had physical proof that he signed for it, but PayPal wouldn't accept it. It has to be 'virtual' proof.

That is ____ed up lol
But good to know.
My country don't offer the virtual proof.
What is that option in the USA if not return receipt?
So i can make sure if i ever buy foirm a US seller that he uses this option so we can be both safe.

Paypal is really crazy sometimes...

 

[ebor]

Errrr..... 4% translates.....

For every $100 x 1.04 = $104.00.

That means you pay $4 for every $100.

I know I know, I just tossed out the 3% number outta my ass, I should have said 'I'm too lazy to open up paypal and read what the fees are.'



p.s. I still can't mathz

 

[hehateme23]

I know I know, I just tossed out the 3% number outta my ass, I should have said 'I'm too lazy to open up paypal and read what the fees are.'

I thought the paypal fees were 2.9% + $0.30? Unless those are just for merchant accounts...

 

[Darklord Dave]

NEVER, EVER, EVER USE "GIFT" UNLESS YOU MEAN IT FOR AN ACTUAL GIFT AND NO ITEM IS CHANGING HANDS.

It is against the forum commerce rules to request the Paypal gift option.

 

[Buttmunch]

frog,

You must not be reading the thread right. The seller isn't BSing you. He doesn't have the protection if he sells internationally on expensive items. So he isn't lying to you. He would be helpless on a $250+ item and short of using express mail (which I'm guessing you don't want to pay for) wouldn't even have the proof 'needed' by paypal.

That doesn't mean him asking you to give up your buyer protection with a gift payment is right though. But he isn't lying to you as you think.

 

[Lejuan]

NEVER, EVER, EVER USE "GIFT" UNLESS YOU MEAN IT FOR AN ACTUAL GIFT AND NO ITEM IS CHANGING HANDS.

It is against the forum commerce rules to request the Paypal gift option.

Is there room for a seller to state something along the lines of:

"Selling to US-only (or Australia-only etc) but will consider international buyers if paid for as a paypal gift" ?

 

[Darklord Dave]

Is there room for a seller to state something along the lines of:

"Selling to US-only (or Australia-only etc) but will consider international buyers if paid for as a paypal gift" ?

Well, a seller can ask for whatever they want. It seems a little suspect that a seller would ask for an international buyer to use the "gift" selection with the reasoning - "Paypal doesn't protect you anyway, so you might as well save some money and use the gift selection where you're not protected either."

 

[BadMoon]

Well, a seller can ask for whatever they want. It seems a little suspect that a seller would ask for an international buyer to use the "gift" selection with the reasoning - "Paypal doesn't protect you anyway, so you might as well save some money and use the gift selection where you're not protected either."

The worst thing anyone can do is mark anything as a "gift" when shipping to an unknown overseas. I specifically state in all auctions and for sale threads to not bother asking.

 

[olbertfrog]

NEVER, EVER, EVER USE "GIFT" UNLESS YOU MEAN IT FOR AN ACTUAL GIFT AND NO ITEM IS CHANGING HANDS.

It is against the forum commerce rules to request the Paypal gift option.

Amen to that!

BUTTMUNCH,
i'm reading right thank you.
He is BSing when he says he's not covered (he did not even meant over 250). BTW I contacted Paypal by phone and they said that over 250$ registered + signed return receipt works.
You are covered.
I think i'll go with what paypal told me.

It doesnt change the fact that anyone can do what he likes shipping abroad or not. The whole point of the forum, or the feedback is to know that you are dealing with trusted individuals.
I tend to check the background of the people i buy from in the forum.
So far so good.

Badmoon,
sending as gift is not as dangerous as paying gift by paypal.
Sending as gift is just to cheat customs it doesn't implicate paypal or anything. It go nothing to do with the money you paid by paypal.
Also you can send as gift but still declare can actual value so the postal insurrance do works.
But that is not the subject here.
Apples and oranges.

 

[olbertfrog]

Well, a seller can ask for whatever they want. It seems a little suspect that a seller would ask for an international buyer to use the "gift" selection with the reasoning - "Paypal doesn't protect you anyway, so you might as well save some money and use the gift selection where you're not protected either."

EXACTLY.
That is what i found weird.
Asking upfront payment by gift.
I'm not protected then neither are you lol.

 

[Buttmunch]

You aren't protected with a gift payment, but the seller isn't responsible to to anything. Very different than you both not being protected. The buyer isn't protected but the seller isn't obligated to send anything.

 

[EVILFACE]

Always use a credit card for the higher $$$ purchases to cover your ass where PayPal won't.

 

[VS1976]

Always use a credit card for the higher $$$ purchases to cover your ass where PayPal won't.

I once had PayPal reject my claim on a seller (never receive package). I took it up with my CC and got my reimbursement back. The only hassle afterwards was Paypal froze my account and I had to get it reactivated.

 

[cplhicks]

I once had PayPal reject my claim on a seller (never receive package). I took it up with my CC and got my reimbursement back. The only hassle afterwards was Paypal froze my account and I had to get it reactivated.

How long did it take to get reactivated?

Was Paypal mad and tired to hold things up?

I've never been in this situation but I'd like to take the GI Joe approach.

 

[VS1976]

How long did it take to get reactivated?

Was Paypal mad and tired to hold things up?

I've never been in this situation but I'd like to take the GI Joe approach.

A damn month. I had to wait for my CC statement (with the actual ebay charge) to reactivate it. They needed me to fax the info if I was the rightful owner of that account. It was a pain in a butt because I could not purchase anything that used PayPal for a whole month.

 

[cplhicks]

Brutal!!!