Pick one: TDKR/MOS/ASM2
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Ummmm... Not JAWS.
Actually, no, I don't care.
Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back are magical to me, I could find faults, but I love them so much that I simply overlook them. Even when my mind is telling me "man, Star Wars looks dated with those effects and hair cuts", I'm still like, "I don't care, it's Star Wars". Same goes with all the other movies I love vs. the ones I hate. I can easily look past some of the weird story problems with The Dark Knight (like Harvey Dent's entire motivation that's shoehorned in at the end just for the climax), but I won't, why? Because I love it. On the other hand, with say, something like TDKR, I could find anything and everything wrong with it because I despise it. It's why I overlook the spinning planet thing in Superman: The Movie but go on a rampage about DNA genetic codex. Or why I think "Rain Drops keep fallin' on my head" in Spider-Man 2 is brilliant while Kid Cudi's "Pursuit of Happiness" in ASM2 is garbage.
It's all about the feels.
Raindrops is great because of that Freeze Frame shot... I laugh every time. I know it's coming and I still laugh.
I still enjoy the Bad Peter scene in Spider man 3.. Pure Raimi... That film has many faults but that scene is not one of them.
It was OK. I like it, but it wasn't remarkable. If you aren't a Cap/comic fan, my guess is you wouldn't remember much about it. My wife didn't care for the character or film, and I've read of several others not connected to comics or the character feeling the same way. "Appropriate" is a good way of describing it. Serviceable would be another nice description. Maybe it was the way the character was portrayed, or the way the film was shot, or the ebbs and flows of the narrative, or their rushing through his development as a bad-ass soldier as Uncanny points out, or some combination of things or something else. But it definitely lacked the "it" that makes a film great IMO.
It was meh... to me because it was a meh film... It started out strong. I liked all the Skinny Rogers parts. But then I waited and waited to see Cap kick some butt and when it finally comes how do we get to see it??? In a montage. Nothing in the film really stood out and it felt rushed. Like they only did it so they could get to the Avengers. I also did not like the ending as it felt like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow... I blame the CGI for that.
It's the only Marvel film that I kind of liked that I have not returned to to watch a second time... Because it was just meh. IMO anyways.
Loved Cap in Avengers and TWS though... Really loved him in TWS... Got to see him kick plenty of Butt in that one
I have probably seen it 3 times, but I was a Cap fan even as a youngster when Secret Wars figures were on the shelves, and he is in some of my favorite comics. My first thought right after seeing the film was that the montage was problematic.
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I liked it, but can't help but agree with those point.
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The "winter spoiler" was funny
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I know this thread has turned into more of just a general comic book movie chat for most of the preceding pages, but I'm going to go rogue and shift back to the original question for a post. Ok, so the below is just in case anybody hasn't seen ASM2 yet (I'd hope they wouldn't be in this thread, but you never know where curiosity takes people...)
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For me it's TDKR. I know it's not perfect by any means, in fact I quite enjoy having a laugh about the faults (some lazily choreographed fight moments where baddies with guns *wait* to be punched, gruff mumbling from Gordon not just Bats this time round, magical back healing, Matthew Modine...), but I loved the first two so much that this just rounds it off nicely for me. Plus there are some stand out moments: I love the two Bane vs Batman scenes; I love a lot of Catwoman's cunning and sassiness; despite the objections, I dig the Bane voice. I've watched it about 5 times and every time I might notice a new flaw ("wait, why does Batman ask Gordon where 'Tate' is? He just saw her in the scene before, more recently than Gordon has..."), but I'll be damned if I don't get swept up in.
MoS is a tricky one for me. I love the emotional beats of it (everything with Ma and Pa Kent for example) and the scene where he hands himself in the army, and I kinda like how they get around the secret identity problem by kind of making it more about an issue of trust and respect from those who already knew. I like most of the action as well, but I do have a couple of problems regarding the damage count. Not so much that it happens, but more that we don't really see Supes save anybody during it apart from in the controversial Zod scene. Also if this were the Justice League movie then, as with the Avengers, a city-wide battle is fine, but when this happens on the day of your first big public outing, are people really going to thank you for it? Surely everybody in Metropolis would be like "Superman's a ****! Look what he brought here!" - he'd be hunted and hated like the end of The Dark Knight or Dr Manhattan at the end of Snyder's own version of Watchmen. Maybe they'll deal with that a little in the sequel, though? Could be how Luthor is justifying himself.
As for ASM2... urgh, this is hard and takes a lot of explaining. I'll be honest, I really didn't care too much for the first one. Stone and Garfield are great and obviously have chemistry (see real life), but I don't think they handled Peter Parker right at all in the first one. Far too cool, too early. He dresses awesome, has cool hair, doesn't even wear glasses and rides a skateboard around - outside of the douchey jock circles this guy has grounds to be one of the happiest, coolest kids in school. Ok, so they gave him some parental angst that makes him introverted, but nah, not for me. Plus they royally botched up the Lizard, who was my favourite villain growing up, so bah. It also just felt pretty redundant; a bit of a retread, but with less conviction - like they were trying to be different, but felt there was an obligation to stay kind of the same.
So, with the second, I understandably went in with low expectations and, in some ways, was pleasantly surprised. Here's what I liked: 1) Gwen's all good - some effective emotional build with their relationship struggles, Peter is easier to get on board with too now and the crucial moment at the end is done well (ignore the rushed Goblin and CGI cogs - I just mean the actual crucial 5 seconds and the immediate aftermath). 2) The web-swinging action looked pretty darn cool. 3) Dane DeHaan is generally always good, even if I didn't care for the resolution of his plot. 4) Electro's early tragic mental illness/obsession stuff was good, even if played for laughs a bit too much. 5) *Some* of Spidey's wise-cracks were quire nicely done ("Come down there so you can kill me? Ok, I'll be right down").
Here's what I didn't like: 1) Electro's ludicrous origin, but then what are you gonna do? 2) Mad Nazi scientist - no, just get out of this film. 3) Some of Spidey's wise-cracking just annoyed me. In the first film I felt he was almost dislikeable due to his smart-assery, in this one there was less of that, but more plain dumbness. The bit in the back of the van at the start - I don't need him slap-sticking around talking to cannisters, thanks. I know Spidey has always joked, but I'm of the view that his humour should be used to get villains off guard or, as is often the case in the comics, distract from his own fear - he is just a young man after all (his inner monologue will often say something like "here I am joking, but really, I'm scared witless"). 4) That ridiculous bloody montage of him putting up the parent mystery solving wall. Holy crap was that scene ill judged in its corniness (and that plot kind of pointless). 5) The aforementioned super-rushed Goblin. He must have been there literally about 5 minutes. Not exactly an arch-nemesis worthy of one of comic land's most crucial moments. Plus what the hell happened at the end? Spidey just left in distress and the Goblin just, what? Got knocked out and found by police some unknown amount of time later? Lame.
It pains me to say all this, by the way. I frickin' love Spider-Man - I just don't seem to be able to gel with this take on franchise. ASM2 was better than ASM, but still definitely not where I wanted it to be. Oh well, at least I've still got Raimi's two films. Yes, there were only two.
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Went with the Amazing Spider-Man 2. Most enjoyable of the bunch for me.
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