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It's the tightness of the new shirts that put me off most. I like the looser fit of the originals, which also masks the overly sculpted portions of the torso. I prefer the way they hang and crease, as opposed to the new lycra-like clinginess that smooths out any wrinkles.

Sulu and Chekov will presumably be the same, and it feels like a step backwards. A double whammy for Sulu after that bait and switch smirking sculpt.

The tighter fit on Sulu I think works really well (since he always appeared to be the fittest actor of the bunch anyway). But the shirt on Scotty is definitely looking a bit small and tight for my taste. It appears to be on that first COO body so I'll see if switching to a slimmer body will give it a looser look like it did for Spock and McCoy.

If I ever get the dang figure, that is. :lol
 
They didnt make most of those choices. I made those choices to accomplish the objectives under production and development.

Whether the uniforms look nice or ugly depend on individual. Ask 1000 Trek fans about one thing they would give you 1000 different answers.

I think under equal circumstances. I myself would prefer these.

I understand there would be some frustration but this is natural phenomenon in figures...

Plus, I cant go back in time to produce the same figures, some resources are no longer available.

Btw, the chest insignias are 1mm too small. I veto'd them all.
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I only have one question: does Kirk's hair come off, like the real William Shatner?
 
I like kirk and spocks current body well enough. It's McCoy who's a little too buff. Part of the reason for the new body was to update our old figures with the new bodies. The real question is how bad will this new body look with the old clothing on it?
 
The tighter fit on Sulu I think works really well (since he always appeared to be the fittest actor of the bunch anyway). But the shirt on Scotty is definitely looking a bit small and tight for my taste. It appears to be on that first COO body so I'll see if switching to a slimmer body will give it a looser look like it did for Spock and McCoy.

If I ever get the dang figure, that is. :lol

It certainly works better for Sulu than Scotty.

I don't want to use a slimmer body for Scotty as I think he looks okay next to McCoy, who's on the Threezero Rick Grimes.

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What would probably help is what you said about the re-issues: sanding down the abs. But I feel like it's just half measures because the shirt is just too small and tight, especially compared to the tailoring of the original three figures.
 
You could look at the tightness of the shirts as being more accurate to the show. In Star Trek Memories, Shatner writes that they were constantly replacing shirts as they shrunk a little each time they washed them. Maybe Scotty and Sulu's shirts had been washed one too many times and were due for a replacement. :wink1:
 
You could look at the tightness of the shirts as being more accurate to the show. In Star Trek Memories, Shatner writes that they were constantly replacing shirts as they shrunk a little each time they washed them. Maybe Scotty and Sulu's shirts had been washed one too many times and were due for a replacement. :wink1:

That's a fact.

But on figures it shows off perfectly sculpted torsos that the actors didn't have. Takei was fit, but there's a new photo Nanjin posted in which Sulu appears in the background showing off his underlying Bruce Lee body.

I'm glad I have the original Kirk and Spock as I prefer the less shrunk looking shirts! Just wish that the whole line could've been maintained to that standard. I want as many crew as will be made, so l'll begrudgingly buy them even though they're beginning to look inferior.
 
That's a fact.

But on figures it shows off perfectly sculpted torsos that the actors didn't have. Takei was fit, but there's a new photo Nanjin posted in which Sulu appears in the background showing off his underlying Bruce Lee body.

I'm glad I have the original Kirk and Spock as I prefer the less shrunk looking shirts! Just wish that the whole line could've been maintained to that standard. I want as many crew as will be made, so l'll begrudgingly buy them even though they're beginning to look inferior.
I strongly disagree that they are in anyway inferior.



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I strongly disagree that they are in anyway inferior.



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Agreed. There's nothing inferior about ANY of these QMx Star Trek figures. They are all fantastic representations, and are the best figures ever produced in the literal universe for a Star Trek license. I love these releases. I'm getting the re-issues too for prosperity and history.
 
Here are my last production at QMx.

With less than 1/2 the support I once had in 2016, and all these problems that i faced, my in-house production still able to deliver.

These figures were done by mostly handicaps whom never touched a paint brush or a needle before.

Note the natural hang of the arms. 40/60 weight distribution do works. Free standing is a lot easier.

Paintjob is unbelievable well done even for experience painters (imagine their skills after 5000 heads)

2nd round Kirk and Spock are almost perfect.
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I am only interested in the TWOK crew. I trekness developed with those movies.
And I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but I can't but make some observations, especially because the artist, the expert is around to be asked (even if everybody is invited to comment on my observations, not only Mr. Nanjin) and because they are put forward as "perfect". Before going any further, let me admit that I am not by any means a huge Trek expert, nor an expert 1/6 figure designer. Anyway, the observations above are not very heavily lore-related, and are just my reaction to the figures as I study them visually. Last disclaimer: this is the best Trek stuff ever to be manufactured, and we owe it all to Mr. Nanjin and QMx. Thanks dudes! BTW most of the problems I see are fixable. Others would need changes on the sculpt... Too late?


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1) The evident one: the bodys have some abs and pecs, and it shows too much. That alone sets them off quite a bit when compared to pics of the real thing.

2) These figs suffer from a pretty normal problem, which breaks the suspencion of disbelief created by the awesome sculpts, paint applications and tailoring of these days: since the subject matter is just 2 guys with normal built (no Arnie yet), and we know just how we normal guys accumulate fat on the sides of our torsos, the way the torso/shirts taper from arm-level to waist-level is very heroic, but very unrealistic, very toy-ish, very action figure-ish. That is exactly where a fatsuit can do a lot, even if it is only loaded on the sides.

3) Another typical problem of Chinese sculpts: the bull neck. Guys, have a look at the ref pic #2. A thick neck might be sexy and heroic as hell, but not accurate. It might be a matter of less than 1mm, but man... does it show... Each side of the head must protrude a bit to the sides beyond the 2 vertical lines that define the neck on each side of the body (even if I am not sure these are actually 2 straight vertical lines, or rather subtel curves).

4) Too long, skinny legs an lack of *** also give you the tsa-figure look, particularly on Spock, and further breaking the suspension of disbelief even if the pants drape realistically and the boots really look the part. Please check out picture #3 (not perfect choice but I can't find any better; you have to compare carefully). It could also be that the crotch area of Spock's pants is too long from the end of the shirt up to the beginning of the legs. This might be happening on Kirk too, even if I also think that his torso might also be a bit too long (see pic #5). Anyway: Spock is clearly too long for its width, and even if I am assuming it has exactly Nymoy's height divided by 6, that is not his physicality. If I am correct, that would imply changes on Kirk, since the difference in height seems OK to me (see pic #2). Also, if I compare the shirt-to-pants length proportion on Spock (length of the shirt from the black neck to the lower end, to the length of the pants from the shirt's lower end to the pants lower end), I'd say your pants are a bit too long (because of the crotch, legs, or both) when compared to ref pics.

5) Another huge issue: head-to-body proportion. The 2 heads are too long vertically and too thick horizontally, each one in differing degrees, and are disproportionate with the body. Don't you guys see it? Am I the only one annoyed by this? Proportions are the first thing you really have to nail before going on to the details (in a sculpt, but also in a figure as a whole).

6) I know that you, Mr Nanjin, have studied zillions and zillions of pics, and that I am going just by only a bunch of them. But anyway: I agree with the way you have differentiated the thickness of Kirk's arms vs Spock's. I see it on pic #4. But I am annoyed by the way the biceps don't fully bulge on the arms of both figures, while the triceps on Spock bulge too much on your last picture (makes him look too strong). Concerning the latter problem, since it happens on both arms, I don't think it is a draping problem. Concerning the former, the biceps problem: shouldn't those areas be more rounded? I understand the problem that the elbow articulation poses and the deep crease that it causes on the sleeves, as well as the need for the arms to be able to deeply and fully flex (forcing the removal of biceps mass towards the elbow), but I am wondering if the biceps are sculpted in a realitic enough way...

7) Sleeves: I guess this must be the subject of some debate, but some ref pics (like #5 and #6) would show that maybe the length of the sleeves/arms on Kirk would be excessive...? Maybe I am wrong, but with the arms fully extended, I'd say that the first golden ring on each sleeve should be at the same height as the lower end of the torso of the shirt.

8) Emblem: agreed on the emblem being a tad too small, Mr Nanjin. It is also positioned at a slightly wrong place, and the shape is not accurate and the black outline is too thick (ok, nitpicking there). But it really hurts accuracy because it is so visible. You should ask Qmx to fix it at all costs.

9) Seams: OK on the shoulders, but the seam that runs down the torso, shouldnt it be more toward the back, maybe centerd on each side of the torso? Why so visible? Please look at pic #1.



Well that was about it. Please guys don't hit me too hard! :)

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That's a fact.

But on figures it shows off perfectly sculpted torsos that the actors didn't have. Takei was fit, but there's a new photo Nanjin posted in which Sulu appears in the background showing off his underlying Bruce Lee body.

I'm glad I have the original Kirk and Spock as I prefer the less shrunk looking shirts! Just wish that the whole line could've been maintained to that standard. I want as many crew as will be made, so l'll begrudgingly buy them even though they're beginning to look inferior.

Completely agree with you, Asta. I have the originals and was hoping for an upgrade, not downgrade as these appear to my eyes. We're all entitled to our opinions.
 
Agreed. There's nothing inferior about ANY of these QMx Star Trek figures. They are all fantastic representations, and are the best figures ever produced in the literal universe for a Star Trek license. I love these releases. I'm getting the re-issues too for prosperity and history.

These new Kirk and Spock figures will look inferior to everyone...who already bought the originals at retail...or even better more recently paid stupid prices for them on EBay and have no desire to buy them a second time...I think that is how it works...most of everyone else will see two awesome looking figures of Kirk and Spock when they look at the re-releases.
 
These new Kirk and Spock figures will look inferior to everyone...who already bought the originals at retail...or even better more recently paid stupid prices for them on EBay and have no desire to buy them a second time...I think that is how it works...most of everyone else will see two awesome looking figures of Kirk and Spock when they look at the re-releases.

You're speaking for other people with no real idea what they're thinking. I personally wanted an upgrade. I simply don't see these as an upgrade and have voiced my opinion along with a few others here. Just because someone doesn't follow your narrative, doesn't make them automatically wrong.
 
These new Kirk and Spock figures will look inferior to everyone...who already bought the originals at retail...or even better more recently paid stupid prices for them on EBay and have no desire to buy them a second time...I think that is how it works...most of everyone else will see two awesome looking figures of Kirk and Spock when they look at the re-releases.

Not from my angle. I was intending to double up, but as it happens the originals still look better to me, mainly because of the shirt/body issue. I wasn't even considering all the other things that asgardianboy noted.

If I didn't already have Kirk and Spock I'd be looking to get the originals rather than the re-issues. I got the exclusives when they first came out.

Scotty is inferior to the original three due to the shirt/body, and this seems to be a trend now that will continue through Sulu, the re-issues and Chekov etc.


Money is no object to my collecting, but there's no point spending it on something that's unnecessary.

All power to those that don't see any issue and will be happy to have a chance to own these re-issues.
 
I agree these are not in my opinion " perfect" compared to the last Kirk and Spock. And we are all entitled to that opinion and to air it on a forum, that is what forums are for, to gather opinion and to discuss honestly. Some companies would listen in some instances and would change or respect views where they saw fit and in small cases agreed in some way with any feedback, negative and constructive feed back has always resulted in someway to progressive change. It us unfortunate that some companies don't listen as with qmx and their distribution network they tend to alienate some customer bases. I know you can't please all of the people all of the time but our voices and opinions are no less important or irrelevant. Although Nanjin has brought us some fantastic works, and for that I am grateful, that doesn't make him a 1:6 Messiah who's Every word or decision cannot be questioned or gone against in any constructive way, and I in no way belittle those who will follow him without question, but he and processes should not be considered a no go for constructive feedback. At no time has anyone denigrated him or his works, but in this case there is some valid consensus that these are not the figures that would make those of us who have bought Kirk and Spock, to go out and buy them again just to try and justify a continuation or kick start to the line and for that I am sorry. Again I thank Nanjin for his commitment and endeavours but please accept that there are those who disagree with the body choice, and In some way QMX are partially to blame for not authorising or persueing the deal process to deliver a new and improved sculpt to fit the bodies more adequately and Nanjins body chose here is too "cut" for our tastes, and as he constantly strives for perfection maybe he will eventually agree, if not fine that's a choice he will make, just as it is my choice not to agree and not to buy because of this.
 
I agree these are not in my opinion " perfect" compared to the last Kirk and Spock. And we are all entitled to that opinion and to air it on a forum, that is what forums are for, to gather opinion and to discuss honestly. Done companies would listen in some instances and would change where they saw fit it agreed in some way with any feedback, negative and constructive feed back has always resulted in someway to progressive change. It us unfortunate that some companies don't listen as Mysore and Luke qmx and their distribution network tend to alienate some customer bases. I know you can't please all of the people all of the time but our voices and opinions are no less important or irrelevant to others. Although Nanjin has brought us some fantastic works, and for that I am grateful, that doesn't make him a 1:6 Messiah who's Every word or decision cannot be gone against in any constructive way, and I in no way belittle though who will follow him without question, but he and processes should not be considered a no go for constructive feedback. At no time has anyone denigrated him or his works, but in this case there is some valid consensus that these are not the figures that would make those if us who have bought Kirk and Spock, to go out and buy them again just to try and justify a continuation or kick start to the line and for that I am sorry. Again I thank Nanjing for his commitment and endeavours by please accept that there are those who disagree with the body choice, and In some way QMX are partially to blame for not authorising or persueing the deal process to deliver a new and improved sculpt to fit the bodied more adequately.

:exactly::goodpost:
 
I agree these are not in my opinion " perfect" compared to the last Kirk and Spock. And we are all entitled to that opinion and to air it on a forum, that is what forums are for, to gather opinion and to discuss honestly. Done companies would listen in some instances and would change where they saw fit it agreed in some way with any feedback, negative and constructive feed back has always resulted in someway to progressive change. It us unfortunate that some companies don't listen as Mysore and Luke qmx and their distribution network tend to alienate some customer bases. I know you can't please all of the people all of the time but our voices and opinions are no less important or irrelevant to others. Although Nanjin has brought us some fantastic works, and for that I am grateful, that doesn't make him a 1:6 Messiah who's Every word or decision cannot be gone against in any constructive way, and I in no way belittle though who will follow him without question, but he and processes should not be considered a no go for constructive feedback. At no time has anyone denigrated him or his works, but in this case there is some valid consensus that these are not the figures that would make those if us who have bought Kirk and Spock, to go out and buy them again just to try and justify a continuation or kick start to the line and for that I am sorry. Again I thank Nanjing for his commitment and endeavours by please accept that there are those who disagree with the body choice, and In some way QMX are partially to blame for not authorising or persueing the deal process to deliver a new and improved sculpt to fit the bodied more adequately.

:exactly:

If it wasn't for Nanjin we wouldn't have the line at all. I think his best work on it was with the first three figures, plus Khan and the captain's chair.

Then something changed with Scotty's tailoring and the line begins to look inferior to the original releases. That was the point I was making, though I think some have mistaken it to mean the Trek line is inferior to the work of other companies.

I'm judging the line against itself.
 
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