QMX Star Trek General discussion thread

[davejames]

I'm sure it will be a very different style than TNG, just because it's been 24 years and TV has changed quite a bit since then. It will probably be a bit edgier and have a similar kind of visual look as DSC and the JJ movies. But I'm sure the core spirit and values will be the same.

The only thing I'm really hoping is that it will be a return to the more diplomatic Picard of the series, and not the more gung-ho action hero of the movies. Because that just never really felt right to me.

 

[DinoMan]

I would LOVE a green wraparound Kirk with that exact expression. Great request. I hope Nanjin is listening.

Interesting that it looks like they're making a new Kirk sculpt there as well. Perhaps a different expression of some kind? I think a more bemused look might be fitting with that outfit, since he did seem to lighten up quite a bit in the second season.


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[DinoMan]

I think you're probably right. Bombastic stupid explosions and exasperated nervous tissue characters are what the kids want today.

Star Trek was, from day one, a politically progressive show in most ways. Exceptions were made here and there, of course. One of the most obvious examples was when aggressive, war-mongering species would be encountered, who you couldn't always coddle. The only time they've gotten away from that core focus in my view is the rebooted films and new TV series, where the show became more of an over the top action spectacle than a thoughtful science fiction show. And we've always had stories of Captains ignoring orders from Admirals, and their aloof, bureaucratic, or aggressive and narrow perspectives when it suited them.

So if they stick true to the roots of the original series and the Next Generation, I suspect people will accuse the show of being reactionary even if it isn't. But we'll see. Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of optimism that the new Picard-focused show will be in the vein of the Next Generation, philosophically or tonally. Hard to get the Youtube generation's attention that way.

 

[DinoMan]

If this gets made, I'll definitely get one. While I do love TWOK monster maroons, this more futuristic/comfortable uniform with the shoulder epaulets is a favorite of mine. I always liked TMP for the high-end return to Star Trek that it was. Slow in the plot
department, yes --but nevertheless a true Trek movie that felt like TOS on special effects steroids.

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[Pauln6a]

If this gets made, I'll definitely get one. While I do love TWOK monster maroons, this more futuristic/comfortable uniform with the shoulder epaulets is a favorite of mine. I always liked TMP for the high-end return to Star Trek that it was. Slow in the plot
department, yes --but nevertheless a true Trek movie that felt like TOS on special effects steroids.

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I definitely intend to get some TMP uniforms, hopefully in time for the 40th Anniversary.

 

[DinoMan]

So many teasers from Nanjin, and all over the board. Makes it difficult to know what's next after Scotty and Sulu. I suppose green wraparound Kirk and new Spock (with more accurate head sculpt) will make a return sooner rather than later in order to give the TOS fans a reason to keep collecting if they missed them the first time around. I love all the teasers so far. Mirror Universe seems to be getting some love, as is Uhura, Chekov, Mirror Picard, Discovery crew, TWOK, DS9, Dr. Crusher, etc. But rumors would have you think that's a pipe dream. And Picard can't be all alone forever. I do wonder if we'll ever see them produced. Seems like new releases are extremely few and far between with Star Trek 6th-scale. Not complaining at all, I do love what we've gotten so far. These replicas revert me to that kid on Christmas morning who can't wait.

 

[highlander1]

I Need my Pennywise!!!!

 

[abake]

With the news of Pine (and Hemsworth) possibly dropping off from ST4, it seems less and less likely we'll ever get some official Alternate Timeline figures...

 

[Oxnard Montalvo]

With the news of Pine (and Hemsworth) possibly dropping off from ST4, it seems less and less likely we'll ever get some official Alternate Timeline figures...

Just the two Diamond Select 'Into Darkness' figures coming in December. But perhaps this new development has put those in jeopardy too.

 

[thecapn]

Interesting that it looks like they're making a new Kirk sculpt there as well. Perhaps a different expression of some kind? I think a more bemused look might be fitting with that outfit, since he did seem to lighten up quite a bit in the second season.

Interesting note on this, though not...ENTIRELY on topic: He did. As did the entire show, thanks to Gene Coon, who came in as Producer and held that title throughout season 2. Back then, apparently - and I don't know if this is still true or not in Hollywood - they'd get scripts from writers, then go back and forth with comments for a few drafts, then finally 'tweak' it to the show's standards. Early on it was Roddenberry himself who did it mostly, even over top of the guy who was SUPPOSED to do it - John Black, the first producer, who left midway through season one. But it was turned over to Coon later on. He wrote a few episodes, and rewrote/polished a bunch more. Coon was the one responsible for most of what we think of as the lighthearted side of TOS - the witty back-and-forth between Spock and McCoy, Kirk's humor. Roddenberry hated it, and wanted it more serious, and that's why Coon was fired and replaced for season 3 (although I think a couple of his scripts still got produced that year - He didn't seem to harbor too much of a grudge). Frankly, I'm not sure if I'd be much of a TOS fan without him - he made the show what it was, made the characters who we know them to be.

I'd highly recommend reading the three-volume "These Are The Voyages" books by Marc Cushman which cover each of the seasons behind-the-scenes in great detail, if you're interested in that sort of thing. How the show got made - the crazy rewrites and turmoil, and the tonal shifts onscreen, make a lot more sense afterwards. I don't agree with his central premise - that Star Trek was way more popular first-run than we give it credit for - which just makes no sense considering how it was treated by NBC, but the general facts and interviews, production notes, and details are pretty amazing. It's a great read.

And on topic - I've been petitioning Nanjin for a Green Tunic since day 1 (which I'm sure he'll attest to). I hope it gets made...for me, that's how I remember Captain Kirk in most of my favorite episodes.

 

[davejames]

Yeah I've read those too (and pretty much every other book on the making of TOS). I definitely love the contribution Coon made to the show, especially with the injection of humor and how he strengthened the Kirk, Spock and McCoy relationship, not to mention all those iconic episodes.... but at the same time I do regret how he made the show ONLY about the Big Three from that point on.

What I loved about the first season was you could really sense Roddenberry trying to make it more of an ensemble show, by showing us the lives of Uhura or Sulu or just random officers on the ship (like a couple about to get married). And you got a better sense of what daily life on the Enterprise might actually feel like. And that all pretty much disappeared when Coon took over and it became the Kirk, Spock, and McCoy show.

 

[Pauln6a]

I confess, I prefer the more ensemble feel to season one, although that didn't disappear completely later on. Often, the Kirk, Spock, and McCoy beam down to a planet episodes are my least favourite ones. I love the interplay, but it's not enough on its own. Plus, I miss Janice!

 

[thecapn]

Huh, you guys have a point. I never really noticed the change from more of an ensemble, but it's true thinking back on it.

 

[nanjin]

I am not listening, but I am reading everything [emoji6]

I would LOVE a green wraparound Kirk with that exact expression. Great request. I hope Nanjin is listening.

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[nanjin]

Interesting note on this, though not...ENTIRELY on topic: He did. As did the entire show, thanks to Gene Coon, who came in as Producer and held that title throughout season 2. Back then, apparently - and I don't know if this is still true or not in Hollywood - they'd get scripts from writers, then go back and forth with comments for a few drafts, then finally 'tweak' it to the show's standards. Early on it was Roddenberry himself who did it mostly, even over top of the guy who was SUPPOSED to do it - John Black, the first producer, who left midway through season one. But it was turned over to Coon later on. He wrote a few episodes, and rewrote/polished a bunch more. Coon was the one responsible for most of what we think of as the lighthearted side of TOS - the witty back-and-forth between Spock and McCoy, Kirk's humor. Roddenberry hated it, and wanted it more serious, and that's why Coon was fired and replaced for season 3 (although I think a couple of his scripts still got produced that year - He didn't seem to harbor too much of a grudge). Frankly, I'm not sure if I'd be much of a TOS fan without him - he made the show what it was, made the characters who we know them to be.

I'd highly recommend reading the three-volume "These Are The Voyages" books by Marc Cushman which cover each of the seasons behind-the-scenes in great detail, if you're interested in that sort of thing. How the show got made - the crazy rewrites and turmoil, and the tonal shifts onscreen, make a lot more sense afterwards. I don't agree with his central premise - that Star Trek was way more popular first-run than we give it credit for - which just makes no sense considering how it was treated by NBC, but the general facts and interviews, production notes, and details are pretty amazing. It's a great read.

And on topic - I've been petitioning Nanjin for a Green Tunic since day 1 (which I'm sure he'll attest to). I hope it gets made...for me, that's how I remember Captain Kirk in most of my favorite episodes.

Yes @thecapn. indeed you have been asking about the Green Tunic since 2400+ days ago [emoji4]


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[DinoMan]

LOL... good one Nanjin! Now WHICH green tunic? is the question. My personal favorite is the 1st-season version. It has a cool vibe to it, although that would mean Kirk doesn't have that humorous side to him yet. Perhaps... just perhaps... you could cover both bases and release green tunic Kirk with the 1st and late 2nd-season versions? I'd pay extra for the option to choose.

I am not listening, but I am reading everything [emoji6]

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[davejames]

I prefer the Tribbles version myself with the black trim collar, since it was the one he wore most often.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Just to clarify - QmX are making a new TOS Spock and Kirk?

 

[spindrift]

No one knows-all rumors and internet talk. They mentioned they are trying to figure out how to get them out again but honestly I think the line is about finished- until i see some official preorders...

 

[nanjin]

LOL... good one Nanjin! Now WHICH green tunic? is the question. My personal favorite is the 1st-season version. It has a cool vibe to it, although that would mean Kirk doesn't have that humorous side to him yet. Perhaps... just perhaps... you could cover both bases and release green tunic Kirk with the 1st and late 2nd-season versions? I'd pay extra for the option to choose.

I, too, like the S1 green tunic as in Enemy Within when Captain Kirk Love handles were not so obvious. With this Green wrap, we can put the S1 belt into good use.

It was kind of strange to have S3 uniform with a S1 belt. The S1 Green couldnt be done before, but now it can because we have a new way to do the braids.

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