R.I.P. Charlie Hebdo

[GalaxySupreme]

I have been upset by this all day. My avatar/sig change kind of reflects how I feel.

Let's be honest, Charlie Hebdo ridiculed all religions, but only one religion had followers willing to commit mass murder as a result of feeling insulted.

Vive la laïcité!

You know whats sad? Pretty soon a board admin is going to ask you to take down the avatar or they will ban you, b/c it is insulting to the Islamic Faith.

And if you had used that avatar before the events that took place, they probably would have banned you right away w/o even asking.

 

[The Ween]

You know whats sad? Pretty soon a board admin is going to ask you to take down the avatar or they will ban you, b/c it is insulting to the Islamic Faith.

And if you had used that avatar before the events that took place, they probably would have banned you right away w/o even asking.

It would've happened by now if it was going to.

 

[VASith]

You know whats sad? Pretty soon a board admin is going to ask you to take down the avatar or they will ban you, b/c it is insulting to the Islamic Faith.

And if you had used that avatar before the events that took place, they probably would have banned you right away w/o even asking.

That'd be a perfect example of defending free speech.

 

[VASith]

So barbaric. They choose to honor a religion that is from the stone age. They behead people for being gay. What would happen if Christians beheaded people for being gay?

This will only get worse and continue to spread as long as people continue to "tolerate" it. There is no compromise with these people. We can't be afraid to "discriminate" against these radicals.

Who are "these people?" Muslims?

 

[VASith]

So barbaric. They choose to honor a religion that is from the stone age. They behead people for being gay. What would happen if Christians beheaded people for being gay?

This will only get worse and continue to spread as long as people continue to "tolerate" it. There is no compromise with these people. We can't be afraid to "discriminate" against these radicals.

I suggest you do some research on what Christians did in the name of Christianity.

One of my favorite quotes from all time is from robert smith of the cure. He said image how happy the world would be if all religions were outlawed for a year.

 

[The Ween]

I suggest you do some research on what Christians did in the name of Christianity.

One of my favorite quotes from all time is from robert smith of the cure. He said image how happy the world would be if all religions were outlawed for a year.

This issue has been addressed earlier in the thread.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

You know whats sad? Pretty soon a board admin is going to ask you to take down the avatar or they will ban you, b/c it is insulting to the Islamic Faith.

And if you had used that avatar before the events that took place, they probably would have banned you right away w/o even asking.

Uh...no.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Also...From the board Community Guidelines:

E. Controversial Topics (Religion and Politics). Because they are so detrimental to the cohesion of any community, we do not allow the discussion of political/religious views, religious/political figures, or social issues that will inevitably draw members into a heated debate (e.g Evolution/Creationism or the politics behind gun control, abortion, etc). It is unrealistic to believe that a religious or political viewpoint won’t work its way onto the site in some fashion (e.g mentioning you will pray for a sick member). It is important to remember that the purpose of this policy is not to limit your ability to express your beliefs but to limit the division often caused by discussing/debating differing points of view regarding these subjects.

This thread is walking a fine line and most Freaks here have been pretty good at sticking to the topic of freedom of speech. Which is hard to do considering who is involved in the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo.

Let's keep it that way lest this thread gets closed.

 

[VASith]

This issue has been addressed earlier in the thread.

Sorry ween. Late catching up.

 

[Lejuan]

There is an interesting discussion going on in one of my newspaper forums about various outlets' decisions not to republish the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.

The Guardian view on Charlie Hebdo: show solidarity, but in your own voice | Editorial | Comment is free | The Guardian

The Guardian, a bit of a leftist rag, has argued that, while they support Charlie Hebdo's right to publish satire in the way they choose, they do not feel that republishing the cartoons in their own paper is necessary as a statement of that support - because their editorial voice is different, and the cartoons do not represent that particular voice.

The counter argument presented by many of its incensed readers is that the cartoons are now a part of the story, and omitting them is not just ignoring an important component of this historical event, but blatant cowardice. These readers claim that, by choosing not to republish the cartoons, The Guardian and similar others are letting other media outlets who do choose to publish them, hanging in the wind.

An important point is that the newspaper has donated $150000 towards sustaining CH's publication.

My initial response is not black and white - on the one hand, I believe that freedom of speech is not a vehicle for incitement of hatred. It has to be considered that republication of these cartoons is a deliberate provocation at a particularly delicate time. But ultimately, I feel that freedom of speech is not worth having unless it is practised fearlessly. And is it a mere provocation to republish the cartoons, or more profoundly, a gesture of unity to those who were massacred for upholding the principles of freedom of expression the rest of us are happy to enjoy? In this light, the decision made by The Guardian and others can only be seen as cowardice.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty, to purchase a little Temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin.

 

[VASith]

Doesn't matter if it's an f u or a sign of unity. People shouldn't be killed for publishing a cartoon. Muslims really need to step up and clean house. They know who the extremists are within. You are going to see a major policy shift in the U.S. government in terms of dealing with extreme groups.

 

[Lejuan]

Doesn't matter if it's an f u or a sign of unity. People shouldn't be killed for publishing a cartoon. Muslims really need to step up and clean house. They know who the extremists are within. You are going to see a major policy shift in the U.S. government in terms of dealing with extreme groups.

 

[Lejuan]

We should remember the Muslims on the other side of these attacks:

Ahmed Merabet, the police officer executed on the street outside the Charlie Hebdo offices.

Lassana Bathily, the kosher grocery store clerk who hid perhaps 15 customers in the cool room while he escaped the store and assisted police.

 

[VASith]

We should remember the Muslims on the other side of these attacks:

Ahmed Merabet, the police officer executed on the street outside the Charlie Hebdo offices.

Lassana Bathily, the kosher grocery store clerk who hid perhaps 15 customers in the cool room while he escaped the store and assisted police.

I know. But the Muslim community needs to step up and start to identify the extremists. You have to think they know who they are. Again, the policy is really going to shift in the next few years.

 

[The Ween]

Sorry ween. Late catching up.

Oh my, no need to apologize to me! I was just afraid something might get started and Snoopy would coming flying in on his Sopwith Falcon and take us out!

 

[Lejuan]

I know. But the Muslim community needs to step up and start to identify the extremists. You have to think they know who they are. Again, the policy is really going to shift in the next few years.

I couldn't agree more. One of the things I didn't know is that there is no central authority to verify qualifications of those preaching Islam in Australia, and no register of Imams and Sheikhs. Developing a registry is something that the Muslim community supports. It'd be a good first step in keeping tabs on Islamic clerical activities. When the mainstream can have confidence that mosques are places of positive spiritual and community development then there'll be more trust between the two groups.

In another development, hacking group Anonymous has declared war on online Islamic extremists. Some have suggested that taking out various online accounts will make it more difficult for official agencies to monitor their activities.

 

[Kai]

Saw news of the march earlier.. Kind of ironic to see Netanyahu there.

 

[BB&WSF]

Saw news of the march earlier.. Kind of ironic to see Netanyahu there.

Ironic in what way?

The organizers say 1.3 million people participated, people of all Faiths, Great way to display resilience and solidarity...

 

[Rambler]

I suggest you do some research on what Christians did in the name of Christianity.

One of my favorite quotes from all time is from robert smith of the cure. He said image how happy the world would be if all religions were outlawed for a year.

How long ago was that with the Christians? I'm talking in context of present day. All religions have done horrible things in the name of their faith.

and I agree with you that the Muslim community needs to out the radicals in their ranks.

 

[Rambler]

Who are "these people?" Muslims?

The radical islamists. Keep up will ya!