Raimi: I want new 'Spider-Man' vision
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I've never understood the obsession with Spidey 1 and 2. I didn't bother with 3. They missed the boat on so many levels with this franchise.
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When I first read the thread title, I imagined Sam Raimi acquiring Spidey Senses.
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It's not a matter of "obsesion", just that the first 2 Spider-Man movies , despite their faults , were pretty much a perfect example of great comic book movies , plain and simple . Sam Raimi's love for the character and feel of the (early) comics shone through . Maybe it's a generational thing , I ( like Sam Raimi ) grew up with the Spider-Man of the 70's and this is reflected in the first 2 movies . I stopped reading comics in the early 90's , but started again relatively recently with the "Ultimate" titles ( continuity got to be a pain
by then) so the Venom/Carnage years don't really appeal to me , it's not that I dismiss them , it's just not MY Spider-Man! Likewise , people who read the books in the late 80's/early 90's probably DON'T see the appeal of the early stories . This is the problem of a series which has lasted so long! This is also why the first 2 movies were so successful . They appealed to non-fans and lapsed ( i.e OLD ) Spider-fans more than the fans who are currently reading the books .
As true as this is, it's not a reason for such a crappy movie to have been put out. Especially not with the bank first two made. Raimi should have had enough pull to work Venom over a two movie arc without any hurried plot devices or crappy emo dance numbers. Plus he's been a good enough storyteller so far. It's almost as if he just gave up out of resentment from studio interference. Which is just plain unacceptable.
Here's what they could have done. They could have just done the Sandman and Harry as the villains in 3, and fleshed out the Brock vs. Parker a bit, Peter donning the black suit, and ended that one with Pete killing Harry (because of the suit), and then ending the movie with him tearing it off.
Then 4 could've opened with a bit more harsh Brock vs. Pete stuff, the symbiote finding Brock, and then the whole movie about Peter finding redemption while trying to stop this monster from killing him.
And before anyone starts talking about how everyone (the actors) wanted to be finished with SM when 3 was done, keep in mind they saw the script before we did. That means they knew it was going to suck before we did. If it was a solid movie which the cast and crew fell in love with, they'd definitely be open to another. What actor wouldn't?
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You're right, 1 and 2 were fantastic comic movies, successful both critically and financially. As for Raimi, you'ld be better off not wasting your time trying to convince people it's not his fault. This was a classic example of studio interference at pretty well every level. Sony desperately wanted to give the fans what they wanted [namely Venom] and Raimi placed between a rock and a hard place having to accomodate Sony's wishes.
The problem is people want someone to blame, someone visible, and that of course is Raimi. This happens all the time in sports where the coach is always blamed for a team's failure, whether it's his fault or not. I have full confidence that Raimi can elevate this franchise again, as long as he's able to do things his way.....just like he did with 1 and 2.
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Well Fathead , I wasn't defending SM3 or Sam Raimi , merely stating that he had no interest in the Venom character/story . What he SHOULD have done is tell Sony and Avi Arad to go get £$%^" and make the movie he wanted to . Of course that's easy for me to say 'cos people offer me millions to make movies every other day! 
P.s Woodsy , I agree 100%.
P.s Woodsy , I agree 100%.
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Problem is despite being the stinker of the trilogy SM3 made a boat load of cash....I have a feeling that Sony will be pushing more "fans want to see so and so" crap the franchise's way because they view SM3 as a success. Despite being mediocre people kept going to see it. I'm guessing that's one of the reasons why Raimi wants someone else to write it because then he doesn't have to deal with the input from the studio.
That's exactly why we got Tim Story's Fantastic Four 2.
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Don't get me started with FF, there is a possibly amazing franchise that was absolutely gutted by the studios and the fact that we're probably going to get an even worse FF3 really hurts. The Fantastic Four films could have been phenomenial there is so much history and really deep ground to cover with a lot of character development that was severely overlooked, not to mention both Reed and Sue are miscast IMHO.
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I loved SM 1 and 2 but 3 was just bad.
This francise definately needs new blood.
There was just too much shoved into SM3. It was 2 movies rolled into one.
I actually thought that Sandman was a really great charcter through the first half of the movie but once Venom shows up he became almost an afterthought. They introduce the backstory about Flint's child and her medical problems but as soon as Sandman's story gets going, the plot is forgotten and all of a sudden here comes Venom. The movie would have been much better without Venom and the whole symbiote story. Peter had way more than enough motivation to stop Marko due to his connection to Uncle Ben's death. That along with the Harry Osbourne story was more than enough for the plot.
This francise definately needs new blood.
There was just too much shoved into SM3. It was 2 movies rolled into one.
I actually thought that Sandman was a really great charcter through the first half of the movie but once Venom shows up he became almost an afterthought. They introduce the backstory about Flint's child and her medical problems but as soon as Sandman's story gets going, the plot is forgotten and all of a sudden here comes Venom. The movie would have been much better without Venom and the whole symbiote story. Peter had way more than enough motivation to stop Marko due to his connection to Uncle Ben's death. That along with the Harry Osbourne story was more than enough for the plot.
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Agreed, Fox has totally gutted this franchise. FF has it all...brutal writing, terrible directing, and horrifric acting, led by Jessica Alba, who from what I can see is only in this franchise because of her looks, although you wouldn't know it from FF2...she looked awful! One things for certain, she can't act to save her life.
What gets me are the moron's who "reward" Fox for giving us the drivel by paying to see it. There is absolutely no incentive for Fox to improve upon this franchise because even though the first too were total crap, Fox made a killing at the box office.
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After my disappointment with the last two, I'd prefer someone else do the writing too. Someone who realizes that not every villain needs to be sympathetic. He ruined Doc Ock with that touchy feely crap.
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I am a big fan of the Spider-Man movies and Sam Raimi and I am disappointed to hear this news.
I am confident that he will be directing as many Spider-Man movies as his career will allow but the fact that he has given up on the writing is sad. It seems like a great artist, fearful that his craft may be poisoned by outside influences, is giving up on part of one of his greatest works.
If Mr. Raimi is reading this than I emplore you, Sam, fight the studios, use your pull, make the film YOU want to make. I want to see Vulture, I want to see Kraven, I even want to see Mysterio, just not all in the same film. Take us back to the Marvel Age, Sam. Please take us back. Make Spider-Man amazing once more.
Okay, I'm done.
I am confident that he will be directing as many Spider-Man movies as his career will allow but the fact that he has given up on the writing is sad. It seems like a great artist, fearful that his craft may be poisoned by outside influences, is giving up on part of one of his greatest works.
If Mr. Raimi is reading this than I emplore you, Sam, fight the studios, use your pull, make the film YOU want to make. I want to see Vulture, I want to see Kraven, I even want to see Mysterio, just not all in the same film. Take us back to the Marvel Age, Sam. Please take us back. Make Spider-Man amazing once more.
Okay, I'm done.
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Raimi's strengths have never been writing. He's always only done story or had a writing partner. Most great directors are more visualists that know how to hire great writers, rather than great writers themselves. Spielberg, Scorsese are 2 that come to mind.
piccolodaimaoh
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Well, as long as Sam finds a great writer but keeps his vision of Spidey then we should be okay, hopefully. I don't want Batman and Robin for Spider-Man 4.
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Huh?
I don't know about you but I didn't feel any sympathy for the Green Goblin, Eddie Brock, or Harry and while the Sandman may have been intended as a sympathetic villain, there wasn't enough character development to feel sympathetic towards him.Looking at my scorecard I don't see how you could come up with that conclusion.As for Doc Ock I thought he was a great character in a great movie. I for one don't want every villain to simply be evil. More times than not, those types of characters are two dimensional and uninteresting, and that becomes boring real fast. I'll take multi-layered, complex, and yes, sometimes sympathetic villiains the majority of the time.
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Huh?
As for Doc Ock I thought he was a great character in a great movie. I for one don't want every villain to simply be evil. More times than not, those types of characters are two dimensional and uninteresting, and that becomes boring real fast. I'll take multi-layered, complex, and yes, sometimes sympathetic villiains the majority of the time.
Well said.
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James Vanderbilt Writing Spider-Man 4
Source: Entertainment Weekly October 31, 2007
Entertainment Weekly reports that Sony Pictures has hired James Vanderbilt to write the script for Spider-Man 4.
Vanderbilt most recently penned David Fincher's Zodiac, polished up the X-Men Origins: Wolverine script, and has written The Rundown, Basic and Darkness Falls.
While he won't be able to write anything during the expected Writers Guild strike (which may start as early as Nov. 1), the magazine says the fourth Spidey film is scheduled for a 2009 release.
A film slated for such as soon start time if he is able to write and get greenlit in time doesn't leave much time to get the cast's schedules cleared...
Source: Entertainment Weekly October 31, 2007
Entertainment Weekly reports that Sony Pictures has hired James Vanderbilt to write the script for Spider-Man 4.
Vanderbilt most recently penned David Fincher's Zodiac, polished up the X-Men Origins: Wolverine script, and has written The Rundown, Basic and Darkness Falls.
While he won't be able to write anything during the expected Writers Guild strike (which may start as early as Nov. 1), the magazine says the fourth Spidey film is scheduled for a 2009 release.
A film slated for such as soon start time if he is able to write and get greenlit in time doesn't leave much time to get the cast's schedules cleared...
Sounds good lookin forward to more.:chew
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