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Here are my "issues" with the PF.
The cover is useful to reference because not only are they telling the exact same story (the "story" simply being Sonja brandishing an enemy's head severed in battle),
but because in each instance I've highlighted, the cover artist makes a choice based on a more studied understanding of the human body and more specifically how the body's attitude and inclination illustrates narrative intent.

I will spoiler this so as not to bug the people that just want to enjoy their $400 statue comfortably secure in the knowledge that Sideshow has produced another detail laden Masterpiece.
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STANCE- Sonjas stance on the cover is straight legged and spread out. This visually creates clean, hard angles. The out stretched legs extend beyond her core implying that she is dominate/dominating the area she is on
contrast this with the stance on the PF, which is all curvy and closed in. This is not the pose of a warrior after battle, this is the kind of seductive pose you see models use in lingerie ads. it creates a long supple unbroken curvy line from head to foot. Curves give off feminine energy. Angles/broken lines imply masculine energy. This is an absolutely basic principle of visual arts. Therefore when I see SS push that on a piece like this I can only conclude that either the designer doesn't understand the basic language of visual arts, or that he knows the potential purchasers of this are sexually frustrated rubes who will respond more strongly to an overtly sexy - and more submissive- pose, and may be put off (and therefore not purchase) by a more dominant representation where the character is basically challenging the viewer.

Call me foolish, but if a warrior with a bloody sword is standing there holding a severed head, it strikes me as an intentionally provocative gesture.

but even if the stance were changed we move up to the head and shoulders where more problems show up

EXPRESSION- probably the main focal point for any representation of a human figure, is the face. It usually the first things we as humans are drawn to. Sometimes you can screw up everything else, but still sell the drama and intent of the scene if you provide a portrait that conveys the proper emotion vividly.
The cover artist did. No mistaking what the character here is feeling or her intent in hoisting that severed head above her.
What's the emotion playing on the SS portrait? All I see is another blank, zombie expression with a thousand yard stare (which is par for the course with SS). It doesn't relate to her action at all and expresses nothing.
Again the intention here is to provide sexy and pretty over something more challenging and possibly off putting (an angry female face) that won't get horny frustrated statue collectors to lay their money down. It's the absolute definition of "safe" in every sense.

there's also another problem in this area that is mechanical rather than expressive

ANATOMICAL ACTION- look at the face on the cover and how it butts up against the shoulder. The chin is basically resting on the clavicle- as it should be if you are lifting something of some weight above you in a spontaneous, dramatic fashion.
Compare this to the PF which looks like an action figure in this area. You know the big weakness of posing action figures? the arms move independently of the rest of the body. If you raise the arms above the head on an action figure the shoulder and neck remains stiff and unnaturally rigid. On a real human there is a degree of squash and stretch going on. the head and neck seem to compress a bit closer into the top of the trunk. Try it yourself- sit up straight backed and without moving your neck and head at all, lift your arm straight up. You can do it- but to imitate the attitude shown in the PF, it's just a bit unnatural and represents an attitude that is being consciously struck (i.e posed)- not one that arises out of natural, unselfconscious exertion (as it does on the cover). The cover illustrates Sonja acting "in the moment". The PF represents Sonja in a studio being handed a severed head and being told to pose with it.

which beings us to another problem with the severed head

ATTITUDE OF THE ARM AND HAND- the cover shows Sonja holding the head in her fist (that is horizontally inclined) and has her arm bowed away from her body. Not only is this a natural way to grab something and hold it up, but by moving it away from her body, even slightly, implies distaste for the object. Again, compare to the PF (not shown) she is awkwardly holding it up with a vertical fist (which they try to rationalize by having her hold it by a swinging braid, but it still looks awkward) and she is holding it straight up overhead, closer to her body.
The only reason this is like this is so that you- dear statue collector- can oh and ah over a big switch out piece. This switchout works for the axe, but makes little to no sense for a severed head (which, when it stops swinging, will be right in her face and dripping all over her).
I don't care that the severed head looks cool in and of itself (I agree, it does) not being able to properly relate it to the act of holding it for the sole reason that it needs to be like this for a switchout, just screams AMATEURISH to me. If this was intended to be the primary display, then everything should have worked to support this, not the other way around. Different props make different demands upon the body. If you are illustrating someone trying to hold a 35 lb weight in his left hand, he simply won't be posed overall in the same way as if he were holding a wadded up paper ball the same size in the same hand. The exertion in the one case is going to spread beyond the hand and affect the rest of the body sometimes in subtle ways.
Skipped over this. Then I read. Wow. Seriously, wow. That was dead on, I was debating on this piece, while much of that I don't mind as this is ficitional and I'm all for sexy, but what you mentioned about the arms and shoulders was a good point.

I am a potential buyer for this, but I'm in no rush.
 
Here are my "issues" with the PF.
The cover is useful to reference because not only are they telling the exact same story (the "story" simply being Sonja brandishing an enemy's head severed in battle),
but because in each instance I've highlighted, the cover artist makes a choice based on a more studied understanding of the human body and more specifically how the body's attitude and inclination illustrates narrative intent.

I will spoiler this so as not to bug the people that just want to enjoy their $400 statue comfortably secure in the knowledge that Sideshow has produced another detail laden Masterpiece.
View attachment 118194

STANCE- Sonjas stance on the cover is straight legged and spread out. This visually creates clean, hard angles. The out stretched legs extend beyond her core implying that she is dominate/dominating the area she is on
contrast this with the stance on the PF, which is all curvy and closed in. This is not the pose of a warrior after battle, this is the kind of seductive pose you see models use in lingerie ads. it creates a long supple unbroken curvy line from head to foot. Curves give off feminine energy. Angles/broken lines imply masculine energy. This is an absolutely basic principle of visual arts. Therefore when I see SS push that on a piece like this I can only conclude that either the designer doesn't understand the basic language of visual arts, or that he knows the potential purchasers of this are sexually frustrated rubes who will respond more strongly to an overtly sexy - and more submissive- pose, and may be put off (and therefore not purchase) by a more dominant representation where the character is basically challenging the viewer.

Call me foolish, but if a warrior with a bloody sword is standing there holding a severed head, it strikes me as an intentionally provocative gesture.

but even if the stance were changed we move up to the head and shoulders where more problems show up

EXPRESSION- probably the main focal point for any representation of a human figure, is the face. It usually the first things we as humans are drawn to. Sometimes you can screw up everything else, but still sell the drama and intent of the scene if you provide a portrait that conveys the proper emotion vividly.
The cover artist did. No mistaking what the character here is feeling or her intent in hoisting that severed head above her.
What's the emotion playing on the SS portrait? All I see is another blank, zombie expression with a thousand yard stare (which is par for the course with SS). It doesn't relate to her action at all and expresses nothing.
Again the intention here is to provide sexy and pretty over something more challenging and possibly off putting (an angry female face) that won't get horny frustrated statue collectors to lay their money down. It's the absolute definition of "safe" in every sense.

there's also another problem in this area that is mechanical rather than expressive

ANATOMICAL ACTION- look at the face on the cover and how it butts up against the shoulder. The chin is basically resting on the clavicle- as it should be if you are lifting something of some weight above you in a spontaneous, dramatic fashion.
Compare this to the PF which looks like an action figure in this area. You know the big weakness of posing action figures? the arms move independently of the rest of the body. If you raise the arms above the head on an action figure the shoulder and neck remains stiff and unnaturally rigid. On a real human there is a degree of squash and stretch going on. the head and neck seem to compress a bit closer into the top of the trunk. Try it yourself- sit up straight backed and without moving your neck and head at all, lift your arm straight up. You can do it- but to imitate the attitude shown in the PF, it's just a bit unnatural and represents an attitude that is being consciously struck (i.e posed)- not one that arises out of natural, unselfconscious exertion (as it does on the cover). The cover illustrates Sonja acting "in the moment". The PF represents Sonja in a studio being handed a severed head and being told to pose with it.

which beings us to another problem with the severed head

ATTITUDE OF THE ARM AND HAND- the cover shows Sonja holding the head in her fist (that is horizontally inclined) and has her arm bowed away from her body. Not only is this a natural way to grab something and hold it up, but by moving it away from her body, even slightly, implies distaste for the object. Again, compare to the PF (not shown) she is awkwardly holding it up with a vertical fist (which they try to rationalize by having her hold it by a swinging braid, but it still looks awkward) and she is holding it straight up overhead, closer to her body.
The only reason this is like this is so that you- dear statue collector- can oh and ah over a big switch out piece. This switchout works for the axe, but makes little to no sense for a severed head (which, when it stops swinging, will be right in her face and dripping all over her).
I don't care that the severed head looks cool in and of itself (I agree, it does) not being able to properly relate it to the act of holding it for the sole reason that it needs to be like this for a switchout, just screams AMATEURISH to me. If this was intended to be the primary display, then everything should have worked to support this, not the other way around. Different props make different demands upon the body. If you are illustrating someone trying to hold a 35 lb weight in his left hand, he simply won't be posed overall in the same way as if he were holding a wadded up paper ball the same size in the same hand. The exertion in the one case is going to spread beyond the hand and affect the rest of the body sometimes in subtle ways.
This convinced me enough to cancel it. Sadly, our society has become to sexualized, ergo, sex sells. Thanks for sharing your knowledge of art and contributing with your constructive criticism. Guess I tried to justify it wrongly when i was high on hype, thought I was looking at a warrior but guess it was a super-model in disguise after all, not the first man to be lured by sex i guess. We need more people like this in order to save us from ourselves. :goodpost:


Edit: Can you do Wonder Woman and Machiko Noguchi next?
 
Maybe you should not buy artistic sculptures but exact replicas of real people ?
Lots of luck finding that from comic book characters
Off the topic
That was a well written with a crazy lot of typing Spoiler


Here are my "issues" with the PF.
The cover is useful to reference because not only are they telling the exact same story (the "story" simply being Sonja brandishing an enemy's head severed in battle),
but because in each instance I've highlighted, the cover artist makes a choice based on a more studied understanding of the human body and more specifically how the body's attitude and inclination illustrates narrative intent.

I will spoiler this so as not to bug the people that just want to enjoy their $400 statue comfortably secure in the knowledge that Sideshow has produced another detail laden Masterpiece.
View attachment 118194

STANCE- Sonjas stance on the cover is straight legged and spread out. This visually creates clean, hard angles. The out stretched legs extend beyond her core implying that she is dominate/dominating the area she is on
contrast this with the stance on the PF, which is all curvy and closed in. This is not the pose of a warrior after battle, this is the kind of seductive pose you see models use in lingerie ads. it creates a long supple unbroken curvy line from head to foot. Curves give off feminine energy. Angles/broken lines imply masculine energy. This is an absolutely basic principle of visual arts. Therefore when I see SS push that on a piece like this I can only conclude that either the designer doesn't understand the basic language of visual arts, or that he knows the potential purchasers of this are sexually frustrated rubes who will respond more strongly to an overtly sexy - and more submissive- pose, and may be put off (and therefore not purchase) by a more dominant representation where the character is basically challenging the viewer.

Call me foolish, but if a warrior with a bloody sword is standing there holding a severed head, it strikes me as an intentionally provocative gesture.

but even if the stance were changed we move up to the head and shoulders where more problems show up

EXPRESSION- probably the main focal point for any representation of a human figure, is the face. It usually the first things we as humans are drawn to. Sometimes you can screw up everything else, but still sell the drama and intent of the scene if you provide a portrait that conveys the proper emotion vividly.
The cover artist did. No mistaking what the character here is feeling or her intent in hoisting that severed head above her.
What's the emotion playing on the SS portrait? All I see is another blank, zombie expression with a thousand yard stare (which is par for the course with SS). It doesn't relate to her action at all and expresses nothing.
Again the intention here is to provide sexy and pretty over something more challenging and possibly off putting (an angry female face) that won't get horny frustrated statue collectors to lay their money down. It's the absolute definition of "safe" in every sense.

there's also another problem in this area that is mechanical rather than expressive

ANATOMICAL ACTION- look at the face on the cover and how it butts up against the shoulder. The chin is basically resting on the clavicle- as it should be if you are lifting something of some weight above you in a spontaneous, dramatic fashion.
Compare this to the PF which looks like an action figure in this area. You know the big weakness of posing action figures? the arms move independently of the rest of the body. If you raise the arms above the head on an action figure the shoulder and neck remains stiff and unnaturally rigid. On a real human there is a degree of squash and stretch going on. the head and neck seem to compress a bit closer into the top of the trunk. Try it yourself- sit up straight backed and without moving your neck and head at all, lift your arm straight up. You can do it- but to imitate the attitude shown in the PF, it's just a bit unnatural and represents an attitude that is being consciously struck (i.e posed)- not one that arises out of natural, unselfconscious exertion (as it does on the cover). The cover illustrates Sonja acting "in the moment". The PF represents Sonja in a studio being handed a severed head and being told to pose with it.

which beings us to another problem with the severed head

ATTITUDE OF THE ARM AND HAND- the cover shows Sonja holding the head in her fist (that is horizontally inclined) and has her arm bowed away from her body. Not only is this a natural way to grab something and hold it up, but by moving it away from her body, even slightly, implies distaste for the object. Again, compare to the PF (not shown) she is awkwardly holding it up with a vertical fist (which they try to rationalize by having her hold it by a swinging braid, but it still looks awkward) and she is holding it straight up overhead, closer to her body.
The only reason this is like this is so that you- dear statue collector- can oh and ah over a big switch out piece. This switchout works for the axe, but makes little to no sense for a severed head (which, when it stops swinging, will be right in her face and dripping all over her).
I don't care that the severed head looks cool in and of itself (I agree, it does) not being able to properly relate it to the act of holding it for the sole reason that it needs to be like this for a switchout, just screams AMATEURISH to me. If this was intended to be the primary display, then everything should have worked to support this, not the other way around. Different props make different demands upon the body. If you are illustrating someone trying to hold a 35 lb weight in his left hand, he simply won't be posed overall in the same way as if he were holding a wadded up paper ball the same size in the same hand. The exertion in the one case is going to spread beyond the hand and affect the rest of the body sometimes in subtle ways.
 
Glad to hear someone enjoyed it.

Be aware that I'm a big hypocrite too as I still haven't cancelled this :lol
I like sexy just as much as the next rube, and the detail, and different textures on display are alluring. I keep wanting to love it, but then something like that cover comes along and all my simmering gripes with it come bubbling up.

:lol:lol:lol:lol you are Doomed my Friend, Doomed, that said, I will remember that next time I post a cover, maybe put a Mose Warning :wink1:

Be Cool Mose
Al
 
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Had I read that breakdown 8 months ago, I probably wouldn't have ordered this statue. No way I'm giving it up now, though.
 
This comment is not directed at anyone collector in mind but if you have Besta's (1) the shelves are adjustable (2) you can always place the Larger Pieces on top unless you have height restrictions, that said, I do see that some prefer that the shelves are uniform and line up with one another, I am a Freak like that myself but sometime change is good and you may come to enjoy the look, again this comment is not to single anyone out, so do not feel like I singled you out, it's just an Observation.

Be Cool
Al
 
How dare you suggest any kind of non-uniformity?! Lines must line up, plain and simple:lol


This comment is not directed at anyone collector in mind but if you have Besta's (1) the shelves are adjustable (2) you can always place the Larger Pieces on top unless you have height restrictions, that said, I do see that some prefer that the shelves are uniform and line up with one another, I am a Freak like that myself but sometime change is good and you may come to enjoy the look, again this comment is not to single anyone out, so do not feel like I singled you out, it's just an Observation.

Be Cool
Al
 
So my waitlist of Black Widow converted....so debating get that and cancel Jean. Or get XM and maybe keep Jean. Or maybe get that and keep Jean and get Sonja. Or maybe cancel Jean get XM and Sonja. Or widow and XM and maybe grab Jean with a chance of Sonja.

Tough choice.
 
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