RIP Fallen warriors.

[hoodonit00]

Our society as a whole puts far to much emphasis on celebrities. We look up to them and call them heroes when most of them are just overpaid pompous *****.

Let's at least have a silent thought or a prayer if you do that for the families of some real heroes who died on June 28 2005. It is the 5 year anniversary of Operation Redwing which led to I think the largest loss of Special Forces lives in history.

Oddly enough it started out with 4 SEALs releasing some Afghan farmers instead of killing them after they were discovered knowing full well that the farmers may give the enemy their position, which sadly they did. Read up on it here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Wing

 

[karamazov80]

Sounds like a really ____ty situation. War sucks.

 

[Eli26]

Good post and love the guy's point.

 

[seniram6]

This is why every Memorial Day and Veterans Day I'm pissed off. No one remembers the fallen or those who have put every thing on the line to serve. Me and the guys I deployed with were talking the other day when Michael Jackson's 1 year death anniversary passed, it's funny how a whole nation stops and mourns a man who sung and dance. Meanwhile guys like me and the fellow Marines I served with get treated like ____ and get looked at like loose convicts waiting to see if we screw up and go ape****.

 

[King Darkness]

I dont see this thread ending well. Good thread and all, but still.

 

[hoodonit00]

This is why every Memorial Day and Veterans Day I'm pissed off. No one remembers the fallen or those who have put every thing on the line to serve. Me and the guys I deployed with were talking the other day when Michael Jackson's 1 year death anniversary passed, it's funny how a whole nation stops and mourns a man who sung and dance. Meanwhile guys like me and the fellow Marines I served with get treated like ____ and get looked at like loose convicts waiting to see if we screw up and go ape****.

Bless you and your buddies and your families. You and all military men and women have a point of high esteem with me and my family.

 

[hoodonit00]

I dont see this thread ending well. Good thread and all, but still.

You're probably right but I've said what I wanted to.

 

[King Darkness]

all military men and women have a point of high esteem with me

.......

 

[Kabukiman]

I'm so glad that the worst thing that can happen if I make a bad decision is that a computer network goes down and people are angry at me for a few minutes.

My brain simply cannot comprehend the enormity of the numerous split-second life or death decisions that soldiers need to make every single day.

Good post, but I agree with King, this will probably not end well.

 

[Shropt]

War isn't treated correctly in this day and age. It really needs to be talked about more openly in the government, media, and the public. Until the public is asked to sacrifice something for today's wars you really can't expect the public to care. It's sad really.

 

[agent_85]

War isn't treated correctly in this day and age. It really needs to be talked about more openly in the government, media, and the public. Until the public is asked to sacrifice something for today's wars you really can't expect the public to care. It's sad really.

I don't think that's necessarily true, this "war" is easily the most covered conflict in history. Whether it be the soldier on the ground with his own iphone or flip video camera simply uploading a couple of minutes of footage to youtube or an embedded documentary team. I've even seen a documentary where these guys have been stationed with Navy Seals in remote outposts. The information is out there, I think it simply comes down to many people losing interest in the conflict. That's the sad part.

 

[agent_85]

I dont see this thread ending well. Good thread and all, but still.

You're probably right. No matter what anyone thinks of the conflict being fought over in the Middle East, those brave men and women of the ISAF forces will fight and die for you to have the right to express those opinions. Just remember that.

 

[seniram6]

I'm currently in school and this past Veterans Day, a little college-now it all douche-bag wore a Marine Corps Dress Blue Jacket as a normal everyday jacket, I confronted him and asked if he ever served and his response was and I quote, "no, but it's a free country and can wear what I want when I want" needless to say that conversation didn't end well when I saw him disgrace what I had earned the right to wear. The younger generation cannot respect the level of honor and commitment that it takes to earn the right to own that jacket and to wear it proudly.

 

[agent_85]

I'm currently in school and this past Veterans Day, a little college-now it all douche-bag wore a Marine Corps Dress Blue Jacket as a normal everyday jacket, I confronted him and asked if he ever served and his response was and I quote, "no, but it's a free country and can wear what I want when I want" needless to say that conversation didn't end well when I saw him disgrace what I had earned the right to wear. The younger generation cannot respect the level of honor and commitment that it takes to earn the right to own that jacket and to wear it proudly.

Well . . . the kid's got good taste, you can't argue with that.

 

[karamazov80]

I don't think that's necessarily true, this "war" is easily the most covered conflict in history. Whether it be the soldier on the ground with his own iphone or flip video camera simply uploading a couple of minutes of footage to youtube or an embedded documentary team.

People can understand a fair amount of what goes on, but are they really feeling the costs? Even if you witness some of the bad business that goes on over there, we have a completely voluntary military, and it still seems so far away, more like a video game or a movie than reality for some. Are the potential benefits worth the cost in blood? That's the question that most people don't want (or don't care) to ask themselves, and they don't have to so long as they don't feel the costs directly. We aren't seeing the body bags pile up like we did during Vietnam, so all this stuff still feels abstract to lots of folks, despite the odd documentary or news story.

If we saw another Mogidishu incident, even if it was only 5 soldiers or so who would lose their lives, I bet there would be a lot more public outcry because of the saliency of the incident.

 

[seniram6]

Well . . . the kid's got good taste, you can't argue with that.

Haha this is true

 

[agent_85]

People can understand a fair amount of what goes on, but are they really feeling the costs? Even if you witness some of the bad business that goes on over there, we have a completely voluntary military, and it still seems so far away, more like a video game or a movie than reality for some. Are the potential benefits worth the cost in blood? That's the question that most people don't want (or don't care) to ask themselves, and they don't have to so long as they don't feel the costs directly. We aren't seeing the body bags pile up like we did during Vietnam, so all this stuff still feels abstract to lots of folks, despite the odd documentary or news story.

If we saw another Mogidishu incident, even if it was only 5 soldiers or so who would lose their lives, I bet there would be a lot more public outcry because of the saliency of the incident.

Maybe, but I think you've definitely touched on another important point and that's the fact that this generation is far more desensitised than any other in modern history.

 

[Batty]

Our society as a whole puts far to much emphasis on celebrities.

Thank you for that statement. I couldn't agree more.

 

[galactiboy]

Thank you for that statement. I couldn't agree more.

Would have to agree with that too... I guess since we don't have a monarch, we instead look to celebrities to guide us

Its really pretty sick.

 

[karamazov80]

Would have to agree with that too...

I agree with your agreement of previous agreement.