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[Silrian]

Goku did only for a brief moment access ssjg powers when he was at his utter most brink of disaster because Beerus launched his ball of destruction.

If we track back almost all og Goku's techniques were shown and or taught to him. Starting in Z with kaioken. The ssj transformation is th only point where he stumbles into new territory on his complete lonesome, his primordial powerdrove him to the edge.

Ssj2 and 3 we never seehim learn, but we know he had his son as an example and ssj3 remains a mystery.

However, after ssj3 BoG clearly showed he dint really know what to do anymore. And then God powers gave him a new clear dot on the horizon and on his own managed to touch it once, verybriefly.

So clearly he'll training toward that. How far he is along in that process in F we don't know.

But it is a transformation and I can understand Toroyama growing wear of ssj numbers. He already said theyre ultimately just substages.

Kaioken [times X]: red colour < SSJ [1,2,3] gold colour < God level: colour of planet Vegeta (fushia?)

Three wholly different transformations. I find it interesting.

 

[Angelo2113]

Super Saiyan God transformation took Goku's personal ambition away from the character. He even stated that he was disappointed that he would never have been able to reach that power level on his own. They acknowledged it but didn't seem to pursue it any further than it should have been.

 

[Silrian]

Then you haven't paid attention to the ending, because the point where he reaches it on his own is AFTER that, thus correcting it.

It's a part of hte movie's arc that Goku loses God mode because he doesn't feel he deserves it but when he fights Beerus he does find it on his own. That's kindof the whole point of the final stand off. 13:40, at 14:18 you can clearly see he goes God mode without needing anyone (need it spelled out? He gets pink hair and eyes and yells loudly and then triumphs), and neither understand.


It seems obvious to me he, and maybe Vegeta as well, are going to pursue this. Vegeta could easily ask the other saiyans to do the ritual with him so he can feel it as well. I think that might be the meaning of the symbol they wear. They're sayins searching for God level on their own. Whether Goku is exceptional or not we do not know, but having felt the God power level, and having touched it once by himself, he now knows what his next level is, ergo transformation.

 

[Angelo2113]

Then you haven't paid attention to the ending, because the point where he reaches it on his own is AFTER that, thus correcting it.

It's a part of hte movie's arc that Goku loses God mode because he doesn't feel he deserves it but when he fights Beerus he does find it on his own. That's kindof the whole point of the final stand off. 13:40, at 14:23 you can clearly see he goes God mode without needing anyone, and neither understand.

Point B is based off of Point A. Point B clearly expresses that Goku is able to turn Super Saiyan God no different than how he was able to turn Super Saiyan. The transformation is an unlocked ability. Super Saiyan God transformation is needed with other Saiyans, not individually. Every other of Goku's transformations were found within himself.

 

[Silrian]

Sorry I really don't interpret the scene that way. Goku defies the odds as he always has and he finds it in himself to achieve God mode on his own, for one power outburst... If that was an extension of the ritual, why would he inly be able to make one burst? God mode was something that he just was. It clearly signals Goku can reach it on his own.

the rutual is nothing more than 5 saiyans putting their energy into a sixth. It's mostly just an energy compiling. It'd be typically Goku if he once again outclasses everyone and discovers he can reach that level on his ow, now that he's felt it.

That's the meaning of the scene and equally why goku nor beerus understand what happened.

 

[Angelo2113]

Also, Goku doesn't lose God mode because he doesn't feel he deserves it. Once Goku went more than 80%, his body wasn't able to harness its full potential and he reverted back to normal. Beerus is the one who had to point it out to Goku that he wasn't in God mode anymore.

 

[Silrian]

That only supports my interpretation imo. I don't get it, I thought this was as clear as daylight. It's the typical movie arc. The protagonist loses the macguffin and then ultimately manages to obtain it on his own. It's classic narrative. Classic Asian narrative even. Ultimately it's not about the tool, once you know the destination, you can get there on your own. It's in plenty of other stories.

It's what made the ending cool to me. Why otherwise have Beerus and Goku both say they don't know what happened? Beerus would've simply said it was impressive he managed to retain the ritual after all. But he doesn't get it, Goku does something he hasn't seen before. It's obvious, Goku's THE guy, perhaps the first ever, who has the potential to truly become an independent saiyan god.

 

[Silrian]

Holy **** btw, on the dragonball wikia this piece of trivia is stated:

In an interview, Akira Toriyama states his own personal belief of the power differences between the Battle of Gods characters. Super Saiyan God Goku is a "6", Beerus a "10", and Whis a "15".[4]

 

[Angelo2113]

Sorry I really don't interpret the scene that way. Goku defies the odds as he always has and he finds it in himself to achieve God mode on his own, for one power outburst... If that was an extension of the ritual, why would he inly be able to make one burst? God mode was something that he just was. It clearly signals Goku can reach it on his own.

the rutual is nothing more than 5 saiyans putting their energy into a sixth. It's mostly just an energy compiling. It'd be typically Goku if he once again outclasses everyone and discovers he can reach that level on his ow, now that he's felt it.

That's the meaning of the scene and equally why goku nor beerus understand what happened.

...What exactly are you arguing about? I'm missing something because I have the impression that you're arguing about something that I'm not disagreeing with.

Point B is based off of Point A. Point B clearly expresses that Goku is able to turn Super Saiyan God no different than how he was able to turn Super Saiyan. The transformation is an unlocked ability. Super Saiyan God transformation is needed with other Saiyans, not individually. Every other of Goku's transformations were found within himself.

Your original comment:

Then you haven't paid attention to the ending, because the point where he reaches it on his own is AFTER that, thus correcting it.

What exactly is the correction?

You're still arguing about Point B when my problem, from my original post, has been about Point A. "Nothing more than five Saiyans putting their energy into a sixth" to achieve the transformation. Point A is simple; a Saiyan can only transform into a Super Saiyan God through with other's help. Goku DID NOT LIKE Point A. He wouldn't be able to get to Point B without Point A.

 

[Angelo2113]

Holy **** btw, on the dragonball wikia this piece of trivia is stated:

In an interview, Akira Toriyama states his own personal belief of the power differences between the Battle of Gods characters. Super Saiyan God Goku is a "6", Beerus a "10", and Whis a "15".[4]

I know, that's why I'm scratching my head thinking "How the hell is Frieza going to cover that much of a power gap by simply training?

 

[blood]

I know, that's why I'm scratching my head thinking "How the hell is Frieza going to cover that much of a power gap by simply training?

the answer is simple

Spoiler

 

[crisis]

lol yeah I don't think there is a specific reason [other than he training everyday for 4 months at 500x gravity or whatever], it's all just an excuse to bring Freezer back for a classic boxing rematch, nothing more

perhaps in the movie Freeza utters "I don't want to bore you with the details, but I have attained a power even greater than the God of Destruction!" We just wanna see an epic showdown!

imagine if Brolio trained, how more powerful he would be!!

 

[blood]

lol yeah I don't think there is a specific reason [other than he training everyday for 4 months at 500x gravity or whatever], it's all just an excuse to bring Freezer back for a classic boxing rematch, nothing more

perhaps in the movie Freeza utters "I don't want to bore you with the details, but I have attained a power even greater than the God of Destruction!" We just wanna see an epic showdown!

imagine if Brolio trained, how more powerful he would be!!

 

[Angelo2113]

I enjoy the details though.

I am looking really forward to the epic showdown though.

 

[Silrian]

when my problem, from my original post, has been about Point A. "Nothing more than five Saiyans putting their energy into a sixth" to achieve the transformation. Point A is simple; a Saiyan can only transform into a Super Saiyan God through with other's help. Goku DID NOT LIKE Point A. He wouldn't be able to get to Point B without Point A.

But he DID get to point B without point A in the final showdown in BoG. So I don't see what your problem is about.

The whole implication of that scene is that he doesn't need the ritual anymore. Because Goku's that god damn awesome, pun intended.

So where does your problem lie?

 

[crisis]

I enjoy the details though.

I am looking really forward to the epic showdown though.

When they negotiated their first bout, Goku being the underdog & Freezer being the reigning champ, it stands to reason that Freezer's take-home after taxes would be considerable. No one expected Goku to win, so their lawyers renegotiated a rematch clause in the contract. Of course there are a lot more variables, Freezer wanting more money this time around, which venue the fight will be held at, how much percentage their promoters would make, etc. (also there have been many allegations of steroid abuse, none of which have been proven). After much deliberation all the details were ironed out; Freezer signed on the dotted line as did Goku, and the date has been set for Saturday, April 18th. Tickets are already sold out, though

 

[Angelo2113]

But he DID get to point B without point A in the final showdown in BoG. So I don't see what your problem is about.

The whole implication of that scene is that he doesn't need the ritual anymore. Because Goku's that god damn awesome, pun intended.

So where does your problem lie?

Elsewhere. It's like running in circles on arguing you with this.

 

[Angelo2113]

When they negotiated their first bout, Goku being the underdog & Freezer being the reigning champ, it stands to reason that Freezer's take-home after taxes would be considerable. No one expected Goku to win, so their lawyers renegotiated a rematch clause in the contract. Of course there are a lot more variables, Freezer wanting more money this time around, which venue the fight will be held at, how much percentage their promoters would make, etc. (also there have been many allegations of steroid abuse, none of which have been proven). After much deliberation all the details were ironed out; Freezer signed on the dotted line as did Goku, and the date has been set for Saturday, April 18th. Tickets are already sold out, though

 

[prodigy1367]

I enjoy the details though.

I am looking really forward to the epic showdown though.

I like to have a good backstory behind everything. Hell, even the fact that the wish to bring back Frieza is just one of the henchman jumping in during Pilaf's wish and just yelling out "Bring back Frieza" seems lazy to me. It's another reason why I didn't enjoy the SSGod transformation. The poor story and the fetus giving power for Goku to transform just seemed strange and not fleshed out enough. I'm hoping there'll be more details about the God transformation in the upcoming movie. The details in a story can make or break a plot.

 

[Silrian]

Elsewhere. It's like running in circles on arguing you with this.

I just really don't get your point then, must be tired or something.