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[Sweet Rabbit]

We all believe our own opinion is far superior than these companies there is a chance they'll fix the ex portrait, just add a bit of a widows peak to the hairline (pun intended). Will have to wait and see

I doubt it

 

[livinglegend629]

The whole QC argument i hear all the time seems to very much be hyperbole, if anything it shows how biased the collector community is with particular pieces. Statues like the Jane Foster Thor shipped with very minimal QC issues, sure there were a few reported, and no one seems to notice these occurrences. The group at large seems to only notice the QC issue with the big releases (Thanos) and ignores all the ones that ship with minimal issues and love to throw around this SS QC hyperbole around.

 

[Hitman84]

The whole QC argument i hear all the time seems to very much be hyperbole, if anything it shows how biased the collector community is with particular pieces. Statues like the Jane Foster Thor shipped with very minimal QC issues, sure there were a few reported, and no one seems to notice these occurrences. The group at large seems to only notice the QC issue with the big releases (Thanos) and ignores all the ones that ship with minimal issues and love to throw around this SS QC hyperbole around.

Couldn't agree more

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[Chronos1919]

4 out of 5 of my last SS statues have had QC issues. I don’t believe I’m that unlucky.

 

[Asdf]

That straight hairline though? Her face looks like a drinking mug with hair coming out of it

Ok... NO buy then hahahaha

 

[Asdf]

That straight hairline though? Her face looks like a drinking mug with hair coming out of it

Ok... NO buy then hahahaha

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

The whole QC argument i hear all the time seems to very much be hyperbole, if anything it shows how biased the collector community is with particular pieces. Statues like the Jane Foster Thor shipped with very minimal QC issues, sure there were a few reported, and no one seems to notice these occurrences. The group at large seems to only notice the QC issue with the big releases (Thanos) and ignores all the ones that ship with minimal issues and love to throw around this SS QC hyperbole around.

Very well said. Last several pieces I've recieved from Sideshow have been perfect. People get one micro scratch and claim it as a QC issue. If that's the case, I hope people know the new cars from the dealership isn't as pristine as they like to assume.

And Sideshow doesn't abandon lines because they say **** the customer, it's because people don't buy the other characters. Cheetah is a beautiful statue but it took so long for it to sell, I can guarantee we will never get another Cheetah nor secondary WW character. Hence why we got a new WW pumping out.

 

[Hitman84]

4 out of 5 of my last SS statues have had QC issues. I don’t believe I’m that unlucky.

And 1 out of my 8 have had an issue and they replaced everyone's huntress cape.

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[m.c.d.spargo]

I think I might order this statue I it turnes out as nice as the proto.

 

[livinglegend629]

Very well said. Last several pieces I've recieved from Sideshow have been perfect. People get one micro scratch and claim it as a QC issue. If that's the case, I hope people know the new cars from the dealership isn't as pristine as they like to assume.

And Sideshow doesn't abandon lines because they say **** the customer, it's because people don't buy the other characters. Cheetah is a beautiful statue but it took so long for it to sell, I can guarantee we will never get another Cheetah nor secondary WW character. Hence why we got a new WW pumping out.

I definitely agree with your take on SS "abandoning" statues. I also hear so often people mention that they wished SS would make different characters but then you look through the instock and PO pieces of lesser known characters and they typically sit there for months without selling out even with smaller ES. Perfect example for me is the upcoming Batwoman PF, it has an ES of 750 for the exclusive (which seems to me like it'll be the only version that's made) and still very much available for pre-order and I wouldn't be surprised if it's still available when they start having it in stock. And what's even worse is I see people praising the design and look yet then have zero interest in actually buying it. It'll end up being just like your example with Cheetah, we'll probably never get another Batwoman piece or at least not for many years due to lack of interest yet somehow the 2500 ES Brown Suit Wolverine completely sold out.

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

I definitely agree with your take on SS "abandoning" statues. I also hear so often people mention that they wished SS would make different characters but then you look through the instock and PO pieces of lesser known characters and they typically sit there for months without selling out even with smaller ES. Perfect example for me is the upcoming Batwoman PF, it has an ES of 750 for the exclusive (which seems to me like it'll be the only version that's made) and still very much available for pre-order and I wouldn't be surprised if it's still available when they start having it in stock. And what's even worse is I see people praising the design and look yet then have zero interest in actually buying it. It'll end up being just like your example with Cheetah, we'll probably never get another Batwoman piece or at least not for many years due to lack of interest yet somehow the 2500 ES Brown Suit Wolverine completely sold out.

That is exactly the situation. That's why Sideshow revisits all those other characters because it makes money for them to occassionally make another character.

People that often complain are very oblivious to logistic and business aspect to the character selection. Also a lot rides on the license. Sideshow is as much as a nerd as anyone else, I'm sure they would love to do everything out there, but it can't be done. And with China raising prices, Sideshow has to be just as selective as we are. Doesn't help that people drop ******** money on things like XM. We can only blame them so much before we need to reflect that we are at fault too.

 

[Thomascrown17]

So much truth


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[filip629]

Very well said. Last several pieces I've recieved from Sideshow have been perfect. People get one micro scratch and claim it as a QC issue. If that's the case, I hope people know the new cars from the dealership isn't as pristine as they like to assume.

And Sideshow doesn't abandon lines because they say **** the customer, it's because people don't buy the other characters. Cheetah is a beautiful statue but it took so long for it to sell, I can guarantee we will never get another Cheetah nor secondary WW character. Hence why we got a new WW pumping out.

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. Sideshow very much abandons lines. Are you going to tell me a Astonishing Wolverine, Cyclops, or Emma COM wouldn't sell? A Doc Ock, Vulture, Sandman, Scorpion, Electro, or Mysterio PF won't sell? A classic Lee Storm, Cable, Magneto, Beast, or Archangel X-MEN PF won't sell? Mr. Sinister PF? Omega Red PF? Nightcrawler PF? They won't sell? How about a classic Flash or Martian Manhunter PF? Mr. Fantatsic, Invisible, Woman, or a Human Torch PF? A true classic Deathstroke PF? Ant Man and Wasp PFs? None of these will sell? I don't buy that for a minute and almost all characters I mentioned would finish off lines that were abandoned. Avengers, X-MEN, and FF PF lines....all abandoned. X-MEN COM line....dropped like a hot potato.

None of the characters I mentioned could sell as much as the Venomsaurus, Magik, Savage She HULK, Red Hulk, Man Thing, Viper, Darkchild, or Dagger COMs? How about the Gammora, Angela, Captain Marvel, Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Skaar, She Thor, Lady Deadpool, Morales Spidey, or Thor Frog PFs? Maybe the Red Son Supes, Bats,and WW PFs are super popular. Surely the Dawg, Batwoman, Killer Croc, and Cheetah PFs are all better choices than some of the characters I originally listed above.

There's no doubt in my mind sideshow abandons lines. Some of the COMs/PFs I've mentioned had an ES as low as 200. They can make any character they want but choose not to. XM has already blow sideshow out of the water when it comes to character selection. If a relatively new company like XM can make money on the characters I mentioned....a behemoth like sideshow has zero excuses on ignoring those characters and abandoning lines.

If my post comes off as a little heated, please forgive me. It has nothing to do with you personally. This topic just gets me hot.

 

[filip629]

I definitely agree with your take on SS "abandoning" statues. I also hear so often people mention that they wished SS would make different characters but then you look through the instock and PO pieces of lesser known characters and they typically sit there for months without selling out even with smaller ES. Perfect example for me is the upcoming Batwoman PF, it has an ES of 750 for the exclusive (which seems to me like it'll be the only version that's made) and still very much available for pre-order and I wouldn't be surprised if it's still available when they start having it in stock. And what's even worse is I see people praising the design and look yet then have zero interest in actually buying it. It'll end up being just like your example with Cheetah, we'll probably never get another Batwoman piece or at least not for many years due to lack of interest yet somehow the 2500 ES Brown Suit Wolverine completely sold out.

Sideshow could have had an ES on the EX Batwoman PF of 300 and it'd sell out. Same with Cheetah. They blew the ES and overestimated those characters popularity. Venomsaurus and Manthing had edition sizes of 200 and 300 respectively. It's as simple as that. Better yet, make a Flash, Robin, Two Face, Scarecrow, or Nightwing PF. Think those won't sell? Sideshow has no excuses.

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

The thing you are confusing is that yes, the listed would sell, but not completely. 95% of all that you listed wouldn't be instant sellouts.

And the ES wasn't overshot, judging on how rapidly people are joining the hobby - despite costs; many of those will go for those characters. And it isn't to force it on consumers, but anything less than what they post isn't a half-*** attempt to be greedy, but to make sure it isn't a complete loss and cause more traffic for them to make obscure characters like Man-Bat or Penguin, F4, or whatever.

 

[livinglegend629]

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. Sideshow very much abandons lines. Are you going to tell me a Astonishing Wolverine, Cyclops, or Emma COM wouldn't sell? A Doc Ock, Vulture, Sandman, Scorpion, Electro, or Mysterio PF won't sell? A classic Lee Storm, Cable, Magneto, Beast, or Archangel X-MEN PF won't sell? Mr. Sinister PF? Omega Red PF? Nightcrawler PF? They won't sell? How about a classic Flash or Martian Manhunter PF? Mr. Fantatsic, Invisible, Woman, or a Human Torch PF? A true classic Deathstroke PF? Ant Man and Wasp PFs? None of these will sell? I don't buy that for a minute and almost all characters I mentioned would finish off lines that were abandoned. Avengers, X-MEN, and FF PF lines....all abandoned. X-MEN COM line....dropped like a hot potato.

None of the characters I mentioned could sell as much as the Venomsaurus, Magik, Savage She HULK, Red Hulk, Man Thing, Viper, Darkchild, or Dagger COMs? How about the Gammora, Angela, Captain Marvel, Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Skaar, She Thor, Lady Deadpool, Morales Spidey, or Thor Frog PFs? Maybe the Red Son Supes, Bats,and WW PFs are super popular. Surely the Dawg, Batwoman, Killer Croc, and Cheetah PFs are all better choices than some of the characters I originally listed above.

There's no doubt in my mind sideshow abandons lines. Some of the COMs/PFs I've mentioned had an ES as low as 200. They can make any character they want but choose not to. XM has already blow sideshow out of the water when it comes to character selection. If a relatively new company like XM can make money on the characters I mentioned....a behemoth like sideshow has zero excuses on ignoring those characters and abandoning lines.

If my post comes off as a little heated, please forgive me. It has nothing to do with you personally. This topic just gets me hot.

I 100% believe the examples you mentioned above would not sell. At least not in the same way that Wolverine or Batman sell, and the Gotg characters+Captain Marvel really got a boost because of the movies. I don't think Gamora would have sold that well in 2011.

I do agree that they could have smaller edition sizes for the lesser known characters but to assume it's because SS are *******s or stupid just doesn't add up. If making statues with ES sizes of 200 make them money, that's all we would see. I would bet money that they are nowhere near as profitable as making larger ES of popular characters, probably due to production, design and licensing costs. They could still make the in between piece with a low ES but that leads me to the next part;

When it comes to these newer companies like XM, P1, Iron Studios, I actually think they're one of the main driving forces behind these problems. XM seem to really only sell out because of the hype, I see so many of those pieces go up for sale constantly. I really don't think there are THAT many Ghost Rider or The Darkness fans. They also seem to be the reason for the constant price increases from SS. While of course there's room for interpretation, I have noticed how casually a segment of collectors decide that a P1 or XM statue is "the best" and somehow costing twice as much as the SS version doesn't factor in? Seems to be more about what's a cooler piece to own than an actual love of the piece and character.

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but thars just the way I see it.

 

[filip629]

The thing you are confusing is that yes, the listed would sell, but not completely. 95% of all that you listed wouldn't be instant sellouts.

And the ES wasn't overshot, judging on how rapidly people are joining the hobby - despite costs; many of those will go for those characters. And it isn't to force it on consumers, but anything less than what they post isn't a half-*** attempt to be greedy, but to make sure it isn't a complete loss and cause more traffic for them to make obscure characters like Man-Bat or Penguin, F4, or whatever.

If a statue doesn't sell out, it's simply because sideshow overestimated a characters popularity and has a bloated ES on a piece (or it looks really bad). Statues will sellout if you hit the sweet spot on the ES. Also, sideshow isn't interested in instant sellouts anymore. They have no problem keeping stock and eventually selling out years later. If sideshow can sell out of 200 Venomsaurus COMs, 1500 Darkchilde COMs, 1550 Bucky Cap PFs, or 850 Abomination PFs, they will have zero problems selling out any of the characters I listed. My point is that they have made many obscure characters and they sold out. There is no excuse for abandoning lines. Finish off the Fantastic Four PF line. Finish off the Lee X-MEN PF line. Finish off the Avengers PF line. Also, finish off the classic Big 7 JL line. These lines aren't missing a ton of characters. Ant Man and Wasp are founding members of the Avengers. The Lee X-MEN line needs Beast, Storm, and probably a classic Mags because he's the X-MEN's most popular villain. The classic JL lineup needs Flash and Martian Manhunter to complete the Big 7. Basically, 10 PFs can finish off most of the lines I have mentioned. There's no way anyone can convince me those PFs can't get made and make sideshow money. They have sold out of far less popular characters and made money on them. There are no excuses, as far as I'm concerned, for sideshow's refusal to make most of the characters I've mentioned. None.

I expect and understand revisits of super popular characters. They do finance the more obscure ones. However, you can't expect me to believe a 1/5 Wasp statue can get made, but a classic 1/4 Wasp just doesn't make sense financially for sideshow. That math doesn't add up for me.

 

[filip629]

I 100% believe the examples you mentioned above would not sell. At least not in the same way that Wolverine or Batman sell, and the Gotg characters+Captain Marvel really got a boost because of the movies. I don't think Gamora would have sold that well in 2011.

I do agree that they could have smaller edition sizes for the lesser known characters but to assume it's because SS are *******s or stupid just doesn't add up. If making statues with ES sizes of 200 make them money, that's all we would see. I would bet money that they are nowhere near as profitable as making larger ES of popular characters, probably due to production, design and licensing costs. They could still make the in between piece with a low ES but that leads me to the next part;

When it comes to these newer companies like XM, P1, Iron Studios, I actually think they're one of the main driving forces behind these problems. XM seem to really only sell out because of the hype, I see so many of those pieces go up for sale constantly. I really don't think there are THAT many Ghost Rider or The Darkness fans. They also seem to be the reason for the constant price increases from SS. While of course there's room for interpretation, I have noticed how casually a segment of collectors decide that a P1 or XM statue is "the best" and somehow costing twice as much as the SS version doesn't factor in? Seems to be more about what's a cooler piece to own than an actual love of the piece and character.

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but thars just the way I see it.

Geez man, you can't take characters like Wolverine, Spidey, Cap, Superman, or Batman and compare them to the characters I mentioned. Of course they are going to make massive $$$ for sideshow. They are the faces of Marvel and DC. You can just rehash those A list characters over and over again and do no other B or C list characters if it's all about making money. Why even release PFs like Black Cat, Angela, Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Abomination, or Lobo then? Sideshow is a behemoth in this industry. They can do the more popular B and C list characters that lesser companies are already doing. They choose not to.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Geez man, you can't take characters like Wolverine, Spidey, Cap, Superman, or Batman and compare them to the characters I mentioned. Of course they are going to make massive $$$ for sideshow. They are the faces of Marvel and DC. You can just rehash those A list characters over and over again and do no other B or C list characters if it's all about making money. Why even release PFs like Black Cat, Angela, Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Abomination, or Lobo then? Sideshow is a behemoth in this industry. They can do the more popular B and C list characters that lesser companies are already doing. They choose not to.

Bowen understood finishing off lines and teams

 

[filip629]

Bowen understood finishing off lines and teams

He was a master at it. That, and sticking to comic accurate costumes.