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Darklord Dave

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I'm a bit curious how dealers that deal in Sideshow merchandise perceive the company. I'd invite dealers to comment good or bad about how they feel SSC interacts with their wholesale accounts. If you don't want to post it under your board name you can email me and I'll post it anonymously.

Or if you're uncomfortable with that, I suggest you email it to a friend to email it to me so that it's completely anonymous. I'm just interested in getting totally honest feedback from dealers.

Use this email address for you or your friend: dstephan @ sideshowcollectors.com.
 
I think some of us know where this is coming from. I hope all parties involved find a good common ground that benefts all. Ourselves included as the consumer.

We have a very strong sense of community that goes beyond this board. Hopefully all bridges of communication, information and support can remain open once again. I must say it is just not the same... :peace
 
You can email it to me, and I'll forward to Dave as well if you'd like. I've already had a number of conversations with retailers about this very subject.

And I can tell you a large percentage are not happy. Now, I'm not in the least bit surprised by this, nor do I think it makes Sideshow an evil company. Online retailers are getting pinched, because the numbers they can order from the company have dropped drastically with the larger number being sold directly by the company. For Sideshow that's a good thing - for the retailers, it's not.

In business though, there really is no such thing as a 'win win'. Oh, they'll try to tell you there is, but 'win win' means both lose a little. Sometimes it's worse than that, where one does win and the other loses a lot, and the 'win win' label was just marketing. My favorite is when a vendor points out to me that his company and mine can have a 'symbiotic' relationship. I like to point out to them that parasites are a form of symbiosis, and that in several parasitic relationships, the host dies.

Back to the point at hand - yes, there are upset retailers. It would be interesting to hear their thoughts in their own words.
 
Funny just had a talk with my Sideshow dealer the other day and for him the problem was that now everyone of his consumers only want the exclusives...That has diminishes a lot of his sales...
 
I'm surprised retailers aren't complaining about MR, especially with their recent product plan changes. Now retailers only get the cheap Star Wars stuff and the LEs can't be sold because they decline in value so much on eBay. I saw a Stormtrooper blaster sell for $180 on eBay. $180! That's absolutely ridiculous, and it's completely the fault of MR. :banghead
 
I'm not a dealer but I really hope they reply. To me, I've never seen Sideshow items as things I'd get through a dealer.

In my mind they have done a great job of establishing themselves as a company that deals directly with it's customers. It's pretty unique thing, especially since we are such a picky bunch. One reason I like ordering thorugh Sideshow is that I know if I have a problem I can get it taken care of immediately.

It's the same reason I like to buy my computer's directly from the Apple Store.

Things like live chats, con-exclusives, and the newsletter are all investments Sideshow makes in their customer base. I really respect them for the model they have created. I can't think of many other businesses like it.

They've also been helpful when it comes to helping me maintain my pieces and giving advice in terms of paint, repairs etc. They've invested a lot in customer service so that allows me as a customer to feel very comfortable.

It is a very tough buisness. You only have to look at the fate of a great company like Palisades to see how tough it is. I like supporting Sideshow because I want them to stay in business as long as possible and to keep taking risks like they do.

One customer's point of view. I just don't want to see Sideshow labeled as "The Man" as they are anything but.
 
Collector Freak said:
I'm surprised retailers aren't complaining about MR, especially with their recent product plan changes. Now retailers only get the cheap Star Wars stuff and the LEs can't be sold because they decline in value so much on eBay. I saw a Stormtrooper blaster sell for $180 on eBay. $180! That's absolutely ridiculous, and it's completely the fault of MR. :banghead

Oooo - I gotta find me one of those deals!
 
i'm clueless again. does this have to do w/ the Sideshow section of a certain message board disappearing? are they cutting back their supply to dealers?
 
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Rugby1970 said:
I just don't want to see Sideshow labeled as "The Man" as they are anything but.

I agree that they are not evil. Even though their prices are mostly high you do get good service, great quality collectibles and a sense of community from collecting their products. SS seems to have their act more together than other companies like Master Replicas.

However, it seems that the direction SS is going business-wise may be putting them at odds with retailers as some are not able to fullfill what they order among other things. Hopefully a mutual understanding can be reached by both parties. Retailers are a crucial part of this hobby no matter how much some may prefer to order direct from SS.

A suggestion: Do not reveal the ES for the regular edition until after the cutoff date for all retailer orders. This way all retailer orders are fulfilled. I know SS is trying to maximize profit by selling direct, but it looks bad when regular editions sit there on ss.com for a while if retailers get allocated.

:peace
 
I think it's better for there to be a wider perspective on the matter, that's the only reason for this thread.
 
I am aware of what is going on at Statue Forum and appreciate everyone's input and perspective. However, I am of the opinion that you do not air one's dirty laundry in public. I also believe that if there is a business issue you do not make it a concern of your clients by ceasing to offer a client based feature, that really only effects them and ultimately supports your own retail venture.

It is always wise to assume that when issues like this are posted that they rarely include the complete information.

Best,
Chicky
Sideshow
 
I understand the complaint retailers have completely. I've heard it from several now. Sideshow is giving them very little to sell, choosing instead to sell most of it themselves. This will hurt small retailers, but it's in Sideshow's best interest, if they can do it. Sideshow's job isn't to keep small retailers in business out of some sort of charitable generosity - it's a business.

One of the things you learn early in business school is that you want to be the big fish in any product to market value chain. For example, Wal-mart is the big fish over many manufacturers, squeezing them dry. And when manfacturers can manage to be the big fish - like Sideshow has with their product, or the way Ty did in the early days of beanie babies - they will use that to increase profits. That's business.

Now, the retailer that owns the statues.com forums (which is another issue altogether - you should try to avoid getting all your information from a place that's owned by someone with a stake in the information you get) wants Sideshow to treat him better so he can make more money. Maybe he's just struggling to survive - what he's doing doesn't mean he's trying to be a fat cat. But he's serving his own interests first and foremost. He's rationalized this by implying that if he can sell them to you instead of Sideshow direct, he'll sell them to you cheaper. It's an intersting argument, and one could also argue that once Sideshow is no longer dependent in any way on outside retailers, they can actually lower their own prices (they don't have to hold them as high to avoid cutting into retailer margins) and it will actually be better for the customer. But in the end his argument is merely a rationalization to avoid appearing like he's only serving himself.

Hey, I don't mind any of that. I don't mind that he's serving his own needs -that's the same thing Sideshow is doing, and that's business. What I do have a problem with is when he (or any one running a website as a business) starts to claim that he doesn't owe his readers anything, and that he's doing this as a favor to them, which he clearly stated. He is running a business, and he's using the forums to bring buyers to his store. The ones reading his forums are the ones doing him a favor, but it's unlikely he'll see that. I also mind when someone tries to use the customer as the front for their behavior. Hey, just be up front about the whole thing. If your customer's pocket book were your top priority, you tell them to go buy their product from another retailer if they were selling it cheaper than you - I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.

He's trying to have things two ways - he wants people to think that the forums are some sort of all encompassing home to discuss all things statues and busts, but only wants you talking about stuff he sells. He wants the former, because it brings in more traffic. He wants the latter, because he doesn't want his readers spending their disposable income on things he doesn't have, since it means less of the overall pie for him. Unfortunately, he can't have it both ways.

BTW, I find it amusing to see this happening on a site where there are regular complaints about ebay dealers undercutting MSRP's heavily, hurting the 'value' of their collectibles, and the regular discussion of 'flipping', their rationalized version of scalping.
 
There used to be a bunch of hobby stores in my area where I could handle the Sideshow product in hand before I bought it. Now NONE of these retailers are stocking new Sideshow stuff. When I asked about what happened, the response has been that Sideshow is creating too many exclusives because and that they are having a hard time selling the regular version. Especially the high profile licenses (SW and LOTR) where rabid fans want the rarest version.
 
This thread can be for buyers as well as dealers, I don't know that we need a seperate thread. And thanks Michael for making it clear, that's kind of the point I thought this thread could bring to light.
 
Yea Andy, you say that know til the next time I complain about one of your sculpts ;)

I'm just kidding of course - I've been impressed over the years by the professionalism and ability to accept constructive criticism that all the folks, including the sculptors, that work for Sideshow have demonstrated.
 
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