Spider-Man: No Way Home (December 17th, 2021)

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Like low af. Nobody wanted to see this Spider-Man fight kraven. This was a total reboot of the character lol. He needed the original Spider-Man and original villains to kick him in the *** a bit to become actually Spider-Man and not iron boy
He was never Iron Boy. I swear some people just never watched the final act of Homecoming.

Tom’s Spider-Man has always been a fantastic representation of what this character’s origins would be like in a world already inhabited by larger than life heroes. He’s fought and suffered for every lesson he’s learned and is undoubtedly the most experienced Spidey. NWH wasn’t a reboot, it was a culmination of a narrative arc that started when the character was 15.
 
He was never Iron Boy. I swear some people just never watched the final act of Homecoming.

Tom’s Spider-Man has always been a fantastic representation of what this character’s origins would be like in a world already inhabited by larger than life heroes. He’s fought and suffered for every lesson he’s learned and is undoubtedly the most experienced Spidey. NWH wasn’t a reboot, it was a culmination of a narrative arc that started when the character was 15.
Nah. Spider-Man has been in a world with larger then life superheroes since his inception and never did he once act like that. I saw the ending to homecoming but he still was iron boy. He was given an upgraded suit with lots of tech and gadgets. Then kept using the iron spider suit throughout. He had help from a literal billionaire who gave him access to anything he wanted. He made a new suit from tony stark tech. He never once had to struggle or feel pain from a personal loss. Tony stark doesn’t count . Uncle Ben might as well not be a factor .

Tobey and Andrew didn’t need any tech, they weren’t friends with billionaires , they lost a lot and they struggled in every fight they were in. Tom Holland is t the most experienced. Maybe on a team but when it comes to him just being Spider-Man he’s the weakest of the three. He got his *** kicked by goblin easily. He’s young and relies to much on tech instead of his own abilities. He beat vulture with his homemade suit but that doesn’t mean anything he still relies to heavily on his techy suit afterward.
That activate kill mode crap is stupid
in far from home he relied on his spidery sense finally but at the end of the movie he was back to swinging around and that billion dollar iron spidey suit with the expensive legs.

at the end of no way home he’s actually a traditional Spider-Man . A character on his own with little help struggling to get by. Doing the right thing despite not having to much . That’s Spider-Man. Not a guy who relies on stark technology and fights villains that were burnt by stark.

even though Spider-Man lives in a world of superheroes doesn’t mean he should suddenly be an underling of another. He’s his own hero. He fights villains that are his own and have no connection to stark, he makes his own suits and he has bad luck while trying to do what’s right. He’s pretty much a cursed hero and that’s what the movie portrayed.
 
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Nah. Spider-Man has been in a world with larger then life superheroes since his inception and never did he once act like that. I saw the ending to homecoming but he still was iron boy. He was given an upgraded suit with lots of tech and gadgets. Then kept using the iron spider suit throughout. He had help from a literal billionaire who gave him access to anything he wanted. He made a new suit from tony stark tech. He never once had to struggle or feel pain from a personal loss. Tony stark doesn’t count . Uncle Ben might as well not be a factor .

Tobey and Andrew didn’t need any tech, they weren’t friends with billionaires , they lost a lot and they struggled in every fight they were in. Tom Holland is t the most experienced. Maybe on a team but when it comes to him just being Spider-Man he’s the weakest of the three. He got his *** kicked by goblin easily. He’s young and relies to much on tech instead of his own abilities. He beat vulture with his homemade suit but that doesn’t mean anything he still relies to heavily on his techy suit afterward.
That activate kill mode crap is stupid
in far from home he relied on his spidery sense finally but at the end of the movie he was back to swinging around and that billion dollar iron spidey suit with the expensive legs.

at the end of no way home he’s actually a traditional Spider-Man . A character on his own with little help struggling to get by. Doing the right thing despite not having to much . That’s Spider-Man. Not a guy who relies on stark technology and fights villains that were burnt by stark.

even though Spider-Man lives in a world of superheroes doesn’t mean he should suddenly be an underling of another. He’s his own hero. He fights villains that are his own and have no connection to stark, he makes his own suits and he has bad luck while trying to do what’s right. He’s pretty much a cursed hero and that’s what the movie portrayed.

Never acted like what? A teenager a bit starstruck by the literal superheroes he's surrounded by? How was he Iron Boy when the ending showed him saving the day without anything Stark gave him and against the man's wishes? Homecoming was all about showing how he didn't need the suit or Tony's approval to be a hero and he maintained that when he first rejected the Iron Spider suit. The only reason he uses it later in IW is that he *needs* to in order to live.

Also "he never had to struggle or feel pain from personal loss?" Seriously?? He loses something and makes a sacrifice in every. Single. Film. In Homecoming we see him sacrifice his relationship with Liz and his social life overall to do the right thing (again against Tony's advice and wishes) and lifts several tons of debris off of himself when he realizes that nobody is going to save him so he has to be his own hero. In FFH he is so monstrously deceived and borderline gaslit by Mysterio that when he first sees Happy in the Netherlands he genuinely doesn't know if he's really there, and has his identity revealed and is painted as a murderer for saving the day.

MCU Tom had tech, he had Tony's eye on him and his support, but none of it was needed as Homecoming showed. Even the things that are handed to Peter still only end up as tools that rely on Peter's quick thinking and overall intelligence to resolve things with. Peter was never, ever an underling and his independence and determination in that are clear from the very beginning unless you actively want to see him in a bad light to justify a dislike for him.

Spider-Man has always been a character defined by struggle and growing pains. He learns things the hard way and it takes him time to get things right, even in the comics. Tom absolutely represented that and in a way that fits with the world his character belongs to. I think this trilogy did a marvelous job (no pun intended) at highlighting the fact that Peter didn't truly become Spider-Man until well after he got his powers and lost Ben. It was a journey, and it took time. Just as it did with this trilogy.
 
Never acted like what? A teenager a bit starstruck by the literal superheroes he's surrounded by? How was he Iron Boy when the ending showed him saving the day without anything Stark gave him and against the man's wishes? Homecoming was all about showing how he didn't need the suit or Tony's approval to be a hero and he maintained that when he first rejected the Iron Spider suit. The only reason he uses it later in IW is that he *needs* to in order to live.

Also "he never had to struggle or feel pain from personal loss?" Seriously?? He loses something and makes a sacrifice in every. Single. Film. In Homecoming we see him sacrifice his relationship with Liz and his social life overall to do the right thing (again against Tony's advice and wishes) and lifts several tons of debris off of himself when he realizes that nobody is going to save him so he has to be his own hero. In FFH he is so monstrously deceived and borderline gaslit by Mysterio that when he first sees Happy in the Netherlands he genuinely doesn't know if he's really there, and has his identity revealed and is painted as a murderer for saving the day.

MCU Tom had tech, he had Tony's eye on him and his support, but none of it was needed as Homecoming showed. Even the things that are handed to Peter still only end up as tools that rely on Peter's quick thinking and overall intelligence to resolve things with. Peter was never, ever an underling and his independence and determination in that are clear from the very beginning unless you actively want to see him in a bad light to justify a dislike for him.

Spider-Man has always been a character defined by struggle and growing pains. He learns things the hard way and it takes him time to get things right, even in the comics. Tom absolutely represented that and in a way that fits with the world his character belongs to. I think this trilogy did a marvelous job (no pun intended) at highlighting the fact that Peter didn't truly become Spider-Man until well after he got his powers and lost Ben. It was a journey, and it took time. Just as it did with this trilogy.
But yet at the end of homecoming he still uses the iron boy suit on multiple occasions. So what if he’s a teen. Doesn’t mean he needs to be Star struck. So what if he sacrificed his relationship. She moved away. It’s not like she wouldn’t of went out with him anyway.
Spider-Man doesn’t rely on stark or anybody he relies on himself . That’s the character. He had to much of a strong connection to stark. He didn’t lose anything huge in every single film. He lost his crush. So what? In far from home he didn’t have a secret identity anymore. That’s fine still tho he was built up as tony starks underling abs protege that’s not the character. Spider-Man being picked up in a million dollar jet is not the character. Spider-Man building million dollar suits he has access to is not the character. He made some expensive **** in the comics but he quickly lost it. The iron spider suit was in every film.
He was to tied to tony stark and the villains he had were aswell. He didn’t feel like his own character . The exclusion of uncle Ben is also really jarring. Instead of illusions of uncle Ben Peter has illusions of stark. How is that in character?
We just got the responsibility line. It’s just way to tied heavily to stark. So what if he’s a teen. Spider-Man never acted like some Star struck fanboy to anybody . Well no avenger. His rogues gallery . His suit and damn near everything else was tied to stark. So this movie takes it back to the roots of the character. No ties to anyone but himself.
every movie he wears a red and gold suit or metallic suit with some sort of tech after homecoming. It’s stupid. Spider-Man doesn’t have AI, drones or electric webs.
 
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I’ve seen the movie 3 times and the bad CGI became more apparent every time. It detracts from an otherwise good movie.

They had Tobey casually walk through a portal, but they couldn’t do the same for Andrew and decided to replace him with poor CGI and animation for some reason.
 
I’ve seen the movie 3 times and the bad CGI became more apparent every time. It detracts from an otherwise good movie.

They had Tobey casually walk through a portal, but they couldn’t do the same for Andrew and decided to replace him with poor CGI and animation for some reason.
That will be because Garfield was standing in the street with different, much cooler lighting which needed to change on him after he jumped through. Maguire was already standing right up to the portal so the lighting change was less drastic.
 
Nah. Spider-Man has been in a world with larger then life superheroes since his inception and never did he once act like that. I saw the ending to homecoming but he still was iron boy. He was given an upgraded suit with lots of tech and gadgets. Then kept using the iron spider suit throughout. He had help from a literal billionaire who gave him access to anything he wanted. He made a new suit from tony stark tech. He never once had to struggle or feel pain from a personal loss. Tony stark doesn’t count . Uncle Ben might as well not be a factor .

Tobey and Andrew didn’t need any tech, they weren’t friends with billionaires , they lost a lot and they struggled in every fight they were in. Tom Holland is t the most experienced. Maybe on a team but when it comes to him just being Spider-Man he’s the weakest of the three. He got his *** kicked by goblin easily. He’s young and relies to much on tech instead of his own abilities. He beat vulture with his homemade suit but that doesn’t mean anything he still relies to heavily on his techy suit afterward.
That activate kill mode crap is stupid
in far from home he relied on his spidery sense finally but at the end of the movie he was back to swinging around and that billion dollar iron spidey suit with the expensive legs.

at the end of no way home he’s actually a traditional Spider-Man . A character on his own with little help struggling to get by. Doing the right thing despite not having to much . That’s Spider-Man. Not a guy who relies on stark technology and fights villains that were burnt by stark.

even though Spider-Man lives in a world of superheroes doesn’t mean he should suddenly be an underling of another. He’s his own hero. He fights villains that are his own and have no connection to stark, he makes his own suits and he has bad luck while trying to do what’s right. He’s pretty much a cursed hero and that’s what the movie portrayed.

perfectly worded.
 
Never acted like what? A teenager a bit starstruck by the literal superheroes he's surrounded by? How was he Iron Boy when the ending showed him saving the day without anything Stark gave him and against the man's wishes? Homecoming was all about showing how he didn't need the suit or Tony's approval to be a hero and he maintained that when he first rejected the Iron Spider suit. The only reason he uses it later in IW is that he *needs* to in order to live.

Also "he never had to struggle or feel pain from personal loss?" Seriously?? He loses something and makes a sacrifice in every. Single. Film. In Homecoming we see him sacrifice his relationship with Liz and his social life overall to do the right thing (again against Tony's advice and wishes) and lifts several tons of debris off of himself when he realizes that nobody is going to save him so he has to be his own hero. In FFH he is so monstrously deceived and borderline gaslit by Mysterio that when he first sees Happy in the Netherlands he genuinely doesn't know if he's really there, and has his identity revealed and is painted as a murderer for saving the day.

MCU Tom had tech, he had Tony's eye on him and his support, but none of it was needed as Homecoming showed. Even the things that are handed to Peter still only end up as tools that rely on Peter's quick thinking and overall intelligence to resolve things with. Peter was never, ever an underling and his independence and determination in that are clear from the very beginning unless you actively want to see him in a bad light to justify a dislike for him.

Spider-Man has always been a character defined by struggle and growing pains. He learns things the hard way and it takes him time to get things right, even in the comics. Tom absolutely represented that and in a way that fits with the world his character belongs to. I think this trilogy did a marvelous job (no pun intended) at highlighting the fact that Peter didn't truly become Spider-Man until well after he got his powers and lost Ben. It was a journey, and it took time. Just as it did with this trilogy.
I always thought people were joking about Peter1 being Iron Boy Jr, but they really think that? At the end of Homecoming, he refuses the Iron Spider suit. You would think that's as clear as it gets.

 
I always thought people were joking about Peter1 being Iron Boy Jr, but they really think that? At the end of Homecoming, he refuses the Iron Spider suit. You would think that's as clear as it gets.


But it took up a major plot lines - Peter constantly calling Happy, Iron Man saving boat/takes suit, Peter gets overpowered satellite drone factory. At least in this one we just got much smaller references to Stark with Stark Industries raided and then the fabrication machine.
 
But it took up a major plot lines - Peter constantly calling Happy, Iron Man saving boat/takes suit, Peter gets overpowered satellite drone factory. At least in this one we just got much smaller references to Stark with Stark Industries raided and then the fabrication machine.
Lol right did they not watch the other films? He uses that suit for half the movies he’s in and even fights doc ock with it in no way home . A deleted scene shows he fights crime with it . Hell he used it in far from home as just a meet and greet affair . Miss me with that ending to homecoming it means nothing
 
I always thought people were joking about Peter1 being Iron Boy Jr, but they really think that? At the end of Homecoming, he refuses the Iron Spider suit. You would think that's as clear as it gets.


Refuses the suit then uses it for every film he’s in.

yup it’s as clear as it gets .
 
Even if he did refuse the Iron Spider, he still was using the regular suit designed by Tony with A.I. Karen. It's still technologically advanced.
 
Tobey and Andrew didn’t need any tech, they weren’t friends with billionaires

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I'm sorry is he supposed to go to the high atmosphere, space, and then an alien planet in spandex? He's given the option of taking the suit in Homecoming and becoming a big-shot Avenger fighting in a team of superheroes only to reject it in favor of staying independent and protecting the little guy. That's profoundly Spider-Man to me.

The next time we see him with the suit, it was being attached to him as he faints from oxygen deprivation while sticking to a spaceship leaving Earth. At some point you have to acknowledge that his having access to technology is not an indication of his character but rather a requirement of the plot. Tobey and Andrew would likely use the same technology when placed in similar circumstances as, y'know, they're the same person as NWH so clearly shows. The same goes for MCU Spidey using his FFH suit. For all their technological advancement, we don't see MCU Peter doing much that he couldn't do without the suits. The A.I. is completely scrapped as a concept and is never used after Homecoming. The most his FFH suit is used for is to glide and to stun a couple dozen murder machines that he later fights with nothing save his skills. Even the stun happens as a result of a plan he came up with attached to a suit that he designed. Technology is a tool that this Peter has access to by virtue of the world he's a part of.


You're missing the forest for the trees with your perspective of Homecoming's ending by focussing on the Iron Spider suit when the whole final act that happened prior to that scene is based around how Peter is still Spider-Man without a stark suit and can still save the day without Stark's help. He's in his own pj's when he's lifting that debris off his back. He's a scared kid in a lot of pain and - without a Stark suit or anything else - he harnesses his determination and willpower to push through. That's as Spider-Man as it gets.

Even in NWH the suit and its technology only come into play during the Doc Ock fight. Admittedly it did save him there, but Peter was also in a situation that even Tobey never got in against him where Otto's tearing through a bridge full of people and using cars full of bystanders as projectiles.

Tobey and Andrew's iterations of the character lived in worlds without big-time superheroes living in the same city they did. This Spider-Man is shaped by growing up in a world with Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor on the news. It's entirely understandable and perfectly in line with what we know about Spider-Man that he be amazed and inspired by that. It makes sense and shows how the events of the Avengers and other Marvel films shape the people that live within that world. Even in the comics, one of the first things Spider-Man did was try and join the Fantastic Four. Civil War established an almost familial bond between Tony and Peter and it's only right that that aspect of the story echoes throughout this trilogy which is inherently dedicated to Peter's upbringing as a superhero. It doesn't define this Spider-Man's story, it's just a part of it.


On a side note, Peter lived in a penthouse apartment with Harry when he was going to ESU, so if you're gonna complain about Spider-Man having rich friends I'd suggest you pick up a comic.
 
I'm sorry is he supposed to go to the high atmosphere, space, and then an alien planet in spandex? He's given the option of taking the suit in Homecoming and becoming a big-shot Avenger fighting in a team of superheroes only to reject it in favor of staying independent and protecting the little guy. That's profoundly Spider-Man to me.

The next time we see him with the suit, it was being attached to him as he faints from oxygen deprivation while sticking to a spaceship leaving Earth. At some point you have to acknowledge that his having access to technology is not an indication of his character but rather a requirement of the plot. Tobey and Andrew would likely use the same technology when placed in similar circumstances as, y'know, they're the same person as NWH so clearly shows. The same goes for MCU Spidey using his FFH suit. For all their technological advancement, we don't see MCU Peter doing much that he couldn't do without the suits. The A.I. is completely scrapped as a concept and is never used after Homecoming. The most his FFH suit is used for is to glide and to stun a couple dozen murder machines that he later fights with nothing save his skills. Even the stun happens as a result of a plan he came up with attached to a suit that he designed. Technology is a tool that this Peter has access to by virtue of the world he's a part of.


You're missing the forest for the trees with your perspective of Homecoming's ending by focussing on the Iron Spider suit when the whole final act that happened prior to that scene is based around how Peter is still Spider-Man without a stark suit and can still save the day without Stark's help. He's in his own pj's when he's lifting that debris off his back. He's a scared kid in a lot of pain and - without a Stark suit or anything else - he harnesses his determination and willpower to push through. That's as Spider-Man as it gets.

Even in NWH the suit and its technology only come into play during the Doc Ock fight. Admittedly it did save him there, but Peter was also in a situation that even Tobey never got in against him where Otto's tearing through a bridge full of people and using cars full of bystanders as projectiles.

Tobey and Andrew's iterations of the character lived in worlds without big-time superheroes living in the same city they did. This Spider-Man is shaped by growing up in a world with Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor on the news. It's entirely understandable and perfectly in line with what we know about Spider-Man that he be amazed and inspired by that. It makes sense and shows how the events of the Avengers and other Marvel films shape the people that live within that world. Even in the comics, one of the first things Spider-Man did was try and join the Fantastic Four. Civil War established an almost familial bond between Tony and Peter and it's only right that that aspect of the story echoes throughout this trilogy which is inherently dedicated to Peter's upbringing as a superhero. It doesn't define this Spider-Man's story, it's just a part of it.


On a side note, Peter lived in a penthouse apartment with Harry when he was going to ESU, so if you're gonna complain about Spider-Man having rich friends I'd suggest you pick up a comic.
Never wanted him to go to space or an alien planet in the first place. Why does he need the Iron Spider suit to go find a woman on here way to the airport? How convenient that he's wearing the one suit that saves him from Doc Ock.

Plus all of his suits (excluding the homemade and stealth) have been based on Stark Tech.

He's only properly become the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man, that everybody loves and wanted, at the end of No Way Home.
 
I'm sorry is he supposed to go to the high atmosphere, space, and then an alien planet in spandex? He's given the option of taking the suit in Homecoming and becoming a big-shot Avenger fighting in a team of superheroes only to reject it in favor of staying independent and protecting the little guy. That's profoundly Spider-Man to me.

The next time we see him with the suit, it was being attached to him as he faints from oxygen deprivation while sticking to a spaceship leaving Earth. At some point you have to acknowledge that his having access to technology is not an indication of his character but rather a requirement of the plot. Tobey and Andrew would likely use the same technology when placed in similar circumstances as, y'know, they're the same person as NWH so clearly shows. The same goes for MCU Spidey using his FFH suit. For all their technological advancement, we don't see MCU Peter doing much that he couldn't do without the suits. The A.I. is completely scrapped as a concept and is never used after Homecoming. The most his FFH suit is used for is to glide and to stun a couple dozen murder machines that he later fights with nothing save his skills. Even the stun happens as a result of a plan he came up with attached to a suit that he designed. Technology is a tool that this Peter has access to by virtue of the world he's a part of.


You're missing the forest for the trees with your perspective of Homecoming's ending by focussing on the Iron Spider suit when the whole final act that happened prior to that scene is based around how Peter is still Spider-Man without a stark suit and can still save the day without Stark's help. He's in his own pj's when he's lifting that debris off his back. He's a scared kid in a lot of pain and - without a Stark suit or anything else - he harnesses his determination and willpower to push through. That's as Spider-Man as it gets.

Even in NWH the suit and its technology only come into play during the Doc Ock fight. Admittedly it did save him there, but Peter was also in a situation that even Tobey never got in against him where Otto's tearing through a bridge full of people and using cars full of bystanders as projectiles.

Tobey and Andrew's iterations of the character lived in worlds without big-time superheroes living in the same city they did. This Spider-Man is shaped by growing up in a world with Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor on the news. It's entirely understandable and perfectly in line with what we know about Spider-Man that he be amazed and inspired by that. It makes sense and shows how the events of the Avengers and other Marvel films shape the people that live within that world. Even in the comics, one of the first things Spider-Man did was try and join the Fantastic Four. Civil War established an almost familial bond between Tony and Peter and it's only right that that aspect of the story echoes throughout this trilogy which is inherently dedicated to Peter's upbringing as a superhero. It doesn't define this Spider-Man's story, it's just a part of it.


On a side note, Peter lived in a penthouse apartment with Harry when he was going to ESU, so if you're gonna complain about Spider-Man having rich friends I'd suggest you pick up a comic.
Lol seems like your not understanding what im
Saying it you aren’t reading properly . I don’t care what the consequences were. Spider-Man doesn’t rely on the iron suit. Period. He doesn’t need it. He barely uses his actual spider powers to fight in situations. Andrew abs Tobey wouldn’t need that tech cause get this! They relied on there own smarts instead of someone else’s .
Please stop bringing up that this Spider-Man grew up in a world of heroes. Almost every iteration of the character has and they never relied on stark tech or fought villains connected to stark .

telling me to pick up a comic but if you read comics you’d know Peter turned down the avengers and fought them cause he didn’t need help and saw them as corny.

so what if he lived in a penthouse? Ok? Tobey lived in a nice house with Harry to. Still went through pain and loss and could barely scrape by. Not to mention Osborn broke that bridge. It wasn’t like it was long term.

you keep bringing up the homecoming ending . The dude still uses the suit in every fight. He still relied on it. No way home is probably the first movie where he throws a damn punch .

i understand for space but for every other fight he was in? Nah.
See you keep saying he’s Spider-Man without the suit but turn around and say he needed the suit in these situations. No he didn’t . Spider-Man is a quick thinker. In the doc ock fight he didn’t need a suit to beat him. Tobey didn’t ? He was on a damn train . Much more perilous then a highway .

peter has access to suits before but they never lasted. If he was given a grand opportunity it would collasI think you miss the point of the character. He isn’t supposed to fit in he’s supposed to be his own person . The mcu isn’t an excuse for him to rely on anyone. He hasn’t before he wouldn’t now.

he ask for help against villains but he doesn’t make it a thing. He tries to handle things on his own . If it’s to much for him he will ask for help like with venom . Again no way home is probably the first time he throws a punch and fights like Spider-Man instead of using a billion dollar suit that has nanotechnology and literal armor .

the fact that he built the far from home suit ina billion dollar jet while happy was looking at him like he was a young tony stark should be enough proof to you that he was a protege to iron man rather than his own hero
 
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