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It kind of is an echo chamber. :monkey3
I didn't hear anyone demanding that folk who love modern star wars stop posting how much they love it, so no one who dislikes whichever show/movie or whatever here wants an echo chamber, only those who love whatever current product go on and on about how they hate hearing anything negative. I honestly always have both positive and negative things to say about every show and figure discussed here. Even the things I strongly dislike such as TLJ I have mentioned what I enjoyed (cinematography, acting) and I had negative comments for even the things I loved such as Andor (disliked many details such as the marching band, character eating ordinary pistachios, some of the pacing etc).
For the most part I have seen similar balanced opinions from the majority of the members here. This forum is far from an echo chamber but confirmation bias may make it seem to be if all you focus on is the complaints.
 
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We dont hate it. We just expect more, and we keep not getting it.
This defines the majority of Disney era Star Wars. They have had some good moments but overall it is missed opportunities which I think is what frustrates us so much. All the ingredients are there and yet they somehow still can't pull off exceptional content (with a couple exceptions as mentioned ad nauseum). I still hope Star Wars improves but each sub par show/movie does erode the hope a bit each time.
 
Really wish Disney would just license out Star Wars to other studios and let someone else run with it for a while. I don't have any interest in their stuff and at this point, there is absolutely zero reason to think I ever will.

Like, they've butchered so much of it for so long that even if they did create something half decent, I'd not care to even bother giving it a chance. If it's created by Disney, I'm for sure putting it on the ignore list.

It's gotten that bad for me. I just gave up.
 
I've been debating on watching this since it ended as I was/am a CW & Rebels fan, but it just looks and sounds sooooooo bad from everything I've read and watched... :lol

I'm cancelling my D+ yearly subscription that's up on Dec 2nd. I am not going from what I paid last year ($80) to this years increased yearly renewal of $140!! Almost double?? Seriously, Disney must be smokin crack. No thank you. I've barely watched anything all year. BOBF was awful, skipped Obi-Wan all together and I couldn't even stomach Mando s3 past ep2. And I wasn't too excited with how BB s2 turned out. I've NEVER even watched ep9 TROS, nor ever plan too... Disney Star Wars has become fan fiction for me and NOT part of my canon. The only exception is Rogue One and for now maybe Mando s1 & s2. S2 had the perfect ending and jump off point. And those Tales Of The Jedi shorts were pretty good too tying in nicely to TCW and Rebels.

I'm not even gonna start with the MCU.. :slap

SO basically, I have just over 30 days to decide if I want to watch any of this crappy content... :rotfl
 
When all is said and done, I think that's the only thing I will keep from the Disney era.

Even Mando is just Fett-lite. Nothing else even matters to discuss.
Mostly agree. To me the only Disney era stuff I call canon is Rogue One and Andor. If Mando seasons 1 and 2 were edited down to 2 movies with all the cringe and filler removed I could count those also. The rest I can do without overall.


(Mando being Fett lite is due to it originally being a Boba Fett project by John Favreau but it was combined at Kennedy's suggestion with the proposed project by Filoni that focussed on Mandalorian culture. The result was the Mandalorian with Boba replaced with Din and IG88 replaced with IG11 and was stretched into a show when really it should have been a movie)
 
I've been debating on watching this since it ended as I was/am a CW & Rebels fan, but it just looks and sounds sooooooo bad from everything I've read and watched... :lol

I'm cancelling my D+ yearly subscription that's up on Dec 2nd. I am not going from what I paid last year ($80) to this years increased yearly renewal of $140!! Almost double?? Seriously, Disney must be smokin crack. No thank you. I've barely watched anything all year. BOBF was awful, skipped Obi-Wan all together and I couldn't even stomach Mando s3 past ep2. And I wasn't too excited with how BB s2 turned out. I've NEVER even watched ep9 TROS, nor ever plan too... Disney Star Wars has become fan fiction for me and NOT part of my canon. The only exception is Rogue One and for now maybe Mando s1 & s2. S2 had the perfect ending and jump off point. And those Tales Of The Jedi shorts were pretty good too tying in nicely to TCW and Rebels.

I'm not even gonna start with the MCU.. :slap

SO basically, I have just over 30 days to decide if I want to watch any of this crappy content... :rotfl
I say watch the content then cancel. Who knows, maybe you might even enjoy some of it. If not, you will still have plenty to discuss and won't have any fomo
 
Mostly agree. To me the only Disney era stuff I call canon is Rogue One and Andor. If Mando seasons 1 and 2 were edited down to 2 movies with all the cringe and filler removed I could count those also. The rest I can do without overall.


(Mando being Fett lite is due to it originally being a Boba Fett project by John Favreau but it was combined at Kennedy's suggestion with the proposed project by Filoni that focussed on Mandalorian culture. The result was the Mandalorian with Boba replaced with Din and IG88 replaced with IG11 and was stretched into a show when really it should have been a movie)


Oops, forgot about Andor. Loved that show. I'm not sure it satiates the same Star-Wars hunger as it feels like a completely different animal, as if someone was re-booting the Star Wars universe from the ground up. But I would agree that it is good Disney.
 
I'm cancelling my D+ yearly subscription that's up on Dec 2nd. I am not going from what I paid last year ($80) to this years increased yearly renewal of $140!! Almost double?? SO basically, I have just over 30 days to decide if I want to watch any of this crappy content...

140 is 14 POTF AT-AT's. IMHO, that's just too much. But it's not my money obviously. I'd rather have 14 AT-ATs.
 
https://www.collectorfreaks.com/thr...ollectible-figure.249832/page-3#post-10969090
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AT-AT currency explained. If I angle this right and keep up the pressure, maybe I can convince everyone here to convert to AT-AT valuation.
No way is anyone getting a good condition boxed AT-AT for 10 bucks today though sadly. 50 bucks is a possibility if you are patient on ebay/craigslist or whatever but again that is a once in a blue moon thing.

Still, 140 bucks is a lot of money. that could pay for a nice new 3rd party 1:6 figure or maybe a big legacy collection AT-AT.

(I should add that yes after reading your explanation post I get it is a metric from decades ago you use but I still kinda like to rant about current year prices. I remember when Star Wars figures were 3.99 when full price and when they went over 8.99 I decided to stop buying. now they are like 16.99 for a 3.75 inch figure locally!)
 
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No way is anyone getting a good condition boxed AT-AT for 10 bucks today though sadly. 50 bucks is a possibility if you are patient on ebay/craigslist or whatever but again that is a once in a blue moon thing.

Still, 140 bucks is a lot of money. that could pay for a nice new 3rd party 1:6 figure or maybe a big legacy collection AT-AT.

(I should add that yes after reading your explanation post I get it is a metric from decades ago you use but I still kinda like to rant about current year prices. I remember when Star Wars figures were 3.99 when full price and when they went over 8.99 I decided to stop buying. now they are like 16.99 for a 3.75 inch figure locally!)

I was completely out of the hobby for over a decade. Everything was packed away. I just found a boxed HT RE Krauser today, that I forgot I had. It's unclear if his muscle body has survived or if that black T shirt has bled into his skin or not. It's been so long, I've forgotten some of what I have. So I'd occasionally look at brick and mortar toy aisles over the intervening when I was shopping for something else, but never looked at prices. I suppose part of the sticker shock for me was that, that I was out of the game for a long while. Only recently did I look at price tags again, I'm helping another collector look for a few items, and it's a vast difference. I remember in the mid 90s, when Star Wars 4 inch Power Of The Force was released, the base price was like 7.99. And that was a pretty rough price point because Spawn figures were like 6.99 ish or so, and you could see the value difference. That was back when KayBee had clearance figures for 3 for 5.00, things like that.

Recently I looked while I was in a Walgreens for other items ( My Depends right! OK, maybe not) and a Star Wars Black Series figure was 27.99. I saw some toy hunt videos on YouTube recently, to get a feel for what was in some other stores, and I saw some price tags that looked like it reached 39.99 to 45.99 or so. ( Looked like some of the NECA guys, hard to say)

On the flip side, when I was in Ross, I picked up a McFarlane Warhammer figure for 8 bucks. He looks about 8 inches tall or so. Clearly he cost more before he ended up in a clearance outlet. I've also found some 1/6th Buzz Lightyear stuff for my nephew for 4-8 dollars. So it's a little odd, some things cost way more than I remember, and some things (with improved technology, paint, quality control, etc, etc) cost less than I remember.

So as an adult, we can sort of pick and choose what we want, for the most part, within our budget. But as kids, nearly all of us, we had to deal with what we got on occasion and there wasn't much control for most of us on what we got in total. We had to make due and make the most out of it. Which forced more creativity I suppose. When I was a kid, there were so many toys I wanted. But as a kid you don't really have your own money. Not to the degree to collect a full line.

So I suspect I've come full circle now. If I see something cool on clearance, I'll consider it and if it looks fun, I'll get it. Otherwise I'm pretty much priced out by personal choice. I just can't do the 280-320 range for a figure. Maybe once in a while if it's a grail. But my days of racking up 150 dollar Hot Toys figures like stacking bricks is over. Some of my shift was getting older, but a lot of it was my little nephew. Now everything I spend is in relation to what best serves his future. I sort of get better now why married guys and guys with new kids dropped out of this hobby.

Anyway, so I agree with you. One and 3/4 AT-AT's is too much to spend on a sub 4 inch single figure. ( You see, if I keep doing this, everyone will do it too eventually. It's like how people get hooked on crack, sort of like that.)
 
I was completely out of the hobby for over a decade. Everything was packed away. I just found a boxed HT RE Krauser today, that I forgot I had. It's unclear if his muscle body has survived or if that black T shirt has bled into his skin or not. It's been so long, I've forgotten some of what I have.

If you're looking to get rid of that let me know 😅
 
I was completely out of the hobby for over a decade. Everything was packed away. I just found a boxed HT RE Krauser today, that I forgot I had. It's unclear if his muscle body has survived or if that black T shirt has bled into his skin or not. It's been so long, I've forgotten some of what I have. So I'd occasionally look at brick and mortar toy aisles over the intervening when I was shopping for something else, but never looked at prices. I suppose part of the sticker shock for me was that, that I was out of the game for a long while. Only recently did I look at price tags again, I'm helping another collector look for a few items, and it's a vast difference. I remember in the mid 90s, when Star Wars 4 inch Power Of The Force was released, the base price was like 7.99. And that was a pretty rough price point because Spawn figures were like 6.99 ish or so, and you could see the value difference. That was back when KayBee had clearance figures for 3 for 5.00, things like that.

Recently I looked while I was in a Walgreens for other items ( My Depends right! OK, maybe not) and a Star Wars Black Series figure was 27.99. I saw some toy hunt videos on YouTube recently, to get a feel for what was in some other stores, and I saw some price tags that looked like it reached 39.99 to 45.99 or so. ( Looked like some of the NECA guys, hard to say)

On the flip side, when I was in Ross, I picked up a McFarlane Warhammer figure for 8 bucks. He looks about 8 inches tall or so. Clearly he cost more before he ended up in a clearance outlet. I've also found some 1/6th Buzz Lightyear stuff for my nephew for 4-8 dollars. So it's a little odd, some things cost way more than I remember, and some things (with improved technology, paint, quality control, etc, etc) cost less than I remember.

So as an adult, we can sort of pick and choose what we want, for the most part, within our budget. But as kids, nearly all of us, we had to deal with what we got on occasion and there wasn't much control for most of us on what we got in total. We had to make due and make the most out of it. Which forced more creativity I suppose. When I was a kid, there were so many toys I wanted. But as a kid you don't really have your own money. Not to the degree to collect a full line.

So I suspect I've come full circle now. If I see something cool on clearance, I'll consider it and if it looks fun, I'll get it. Otherwise I'm pretty much priced out by personal choice. I just can't do the 280-320 range for a figure. Maybe once in a while if it's a grail. But my days of racking up 150 dollar Hot Toys figures like stacking bricks is over. Some of my shift was getting older, but a lot of it was my little nephew. Now everything I spend is in relation to what best serves his future. I sort of get better now why married guys and guys with new kids dropped out of this hobby.

Anyway, so I agree with you. One and 3/4 AT-AT's is too much to spend on a sub 4 inch single figure. ( You see, if I keep doing this, everyone will do it too eventually. It's like how people get hooked on crack, sort of like that.)
I get most of my 3.75 inch star wars figures from carboot sales and non-ebay selling sites. once got an entire collection of legacy collection era star wars vehicles and figures including big millenium falcon for 150, so all that is divided up now between myself and my kids toy box (for when he is a bit older). I could't imagine paying retail or worse ebay prices for that lot, would be a couple thousand :s I also found an incomplete Legacy Millenium Falcon for 12 at a carboot so that one will be my kids playset. I will slowly get cheap loose parts to complete it or 3D print bits for it later.
 
It's ultimately an okay if middling show that would be a better mini series or movie. Nothing really terrible, but awfully paced with too many detours and lapses in judgement by characters.

But it does add to the universe and various characters' stories without really taking anything away like how the ST did.

It's a B, though that's mostly based on a couple of A episodes with the rest being Cs. I found myself often wanting to rate the show higher but something always got in the way.

Thrawn was… present but not what most expected. I’m withholding judgement till we see more but so far not what I imagine diehard fans of the character wanted. I think showing him with the Imperial Remnant council and fleet even for a moment would've helped.

Good to know (y)
 
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