Star Wars: Ahsoka

[Mondragon]

I have no issue whatsoever with the samurai design influences in this show, or the western ones in Mandalorian. It adds a bit of variety and is a nice change from the super generic outfits everyone wore in the OT.

The only Filoni character that kinda crossed the line for me was Cad Bane with his silly cowboy hat and Clint Eastwood voice, but everything else I think has blended into the SW universe well.

Although again, with the visual and Corey Burton's voice they are invoking Van Cleef not Eastwood. - Cad Bane - Book of Boba Fett

Also might question the frame of reference that thinks the OT looked generic, it's everyone else aping it after the fact that might make it look so.

the super generic outfits everyone wore in the OT.

 

[Sassafras]

I thought this week's episode was fine. Cool ship fight and little moments. The scene that got me the most honestly was

Spoiler

the cut back to the cup after Sabine says: "You win this round."

Still not really sure why Ahsoka ever started to train Sabine at all when you've got Kanan's son right there. Maybe Hera wouldn't allow it?

Saving for another series, D+ will need all the help it can get as it stock price sinks.

 

[Warthog81]

Just watched episode 3, am trying to remember but was there anything in Rebels to say Sabine was force sensitive? I think seeing Ahsoka and Luke together in this would have been more interesting, an actual Jedi team, just have Sabine as a Mandalorian.

Three episodes in I am finding things rather mediocre.

As for the New Republic, they seem utterly useless.

 

[Mondragon]

Just watched episode 3, am trying to remember but was there anything in Rebels to say Sabine was force sensitive? I think seeing Ahsoka and Luke together in this would have been more interesting, an actual Jedi team, just have Sabine as a Mandalorian.

Three episodes in I am finding things rather mediocre.

As for the New Republic, they seem utterly useless.

Disney canon is the once scrappy Rebel Aliance who brought down an Empire, are now a complete useless failure.
Also under Disney the Luke once imagined as a hopefull Jedi mentor to a new gen, is instead a coward, slave to fear, slave to Jedi dogma, and also complete failure.
Hence they are conveniently replacing the mentor bringing in the next gen. narrative with Ahsoka instead of Luke.

 

[choombaz]

As for the New Republic, they seem utterly useless.

I thought that was the point? The Empire was a highly efficient totalitarian government and the New Republic is a scrappy, under staffed, under funded joke. I feel like every scene across all the shows has made this quite clear. They are mirroring modern politics.

Moderators please note that I have not given a political view merely described what is on screen lol.

 

[choombaz]

I liked Obi-Wan Kenobi!

I liked Obi-Wan Kenobi …

In ANH

 

[chrisstbh]

Love the sarcastic humor but the strawman nature of the comment prevented it from getting a full laugh. I never liked the ridiculously OP characters from the games either, but luckily they were never canon, neither were the cartoons truly canon (George considered only live action stuff true canon) until Disney came along and decided everything would be canon going forward, which is why we now have hyperspace whales. Sigh.

The Clone Wars was always canon, it was created by Lucas himself.

 

[jaztermareal]

The Clone Wars was always canon, it was created by Lucas himself.

Lucas had different tiers of canon. Only live action was truly canon. Animated shows were sort of canon except they weren't because because anything live action that contradicted them was considered canon and the animated stuff was expendable, it could be over-written. Comics, books, games etc were below animated. sort of a canon pyramid.
Lucas also created the Holiday special but that is definitely not canon so just saying Lucas created something does not make it canon.

 

[chrisstbh]

Lucas had different tiers of canon. Only live action was truly canon. Animated shows were sort of canon except they weren't because because anything live action that contradicted them was considered canon and the animated stuff was expendable, it could be over-written. Comics, books, games etc were below animated. sort of a canon pyramid.

That's still actually the case though. The animated shows have retconned things fron canon books/comics already. As has The Mandalorian.

In fact it even look like from this very show the epilogue of Rebels was retconned. So even Filoni isn't afraid of retconning his own shows .

But from a Lucasfilm statement in 2008 The Clone Wars was still hard canon, but as you said in it's own bracket slightly below the movie Saga.

On May 8, Chee adopted Lucas' usage of the pillar system, confirming that the television production, just like the movies themselves, are both separate from the Expanded Universe:[36]

"The clarify this point just a little bit further, The Clone Wars will not be considered Expanded Universe. They'll be ranked up there with The Movies."

On the following day, answering for questions about Lucas' mention of "three pillars" he clarified it even further:[37]

"T-canon in its entirety is not supposed to be considered part of the EU pillar, but part of the Lucas pillar."

But yes, I'm sure if George made more movies he would have tweaked stuff - as he did with his live action movies already. The theatrical editions were no longer considered the definitive canon versions of the movies after he made any changes to them.

Lucas also created the Holiday special but that is definitely not canon so just saying Lucas created something does not make it canon.

Did he, though? He had next to no involvement in that as far as I've seen.

 

[Zurdo95D]

 

[Mondragon]

Fantasstic!

Star Wars fans be like: Cool is that an E-Wing I see!!

 

[a-dev]

I love how they are throwing Thrawn’s name around as if every single viewer knows who he is lol

Thrawn is coming!

Whoooooo!

“I….am………….Thrawn!”

''Tell me his name again...''

 

[e30ernest]

I thought that was the point? The Empire was a highly efficient totalitarian government and the New Republic is a scrappy, under staffed, under funded joke. I feel like every scene across all the shows has made this quite clear. They are mirroring modern politics.

Moderators please note that I have not given a political view merely described what is on screen lol.

Yup, most governments born out of a revolution fail on its first go.

I honestly like how they're showing how the New Republic failed. And how they're showing it to fail makes sense too.

 

[davejames]

Disney canon is the once scrappy Rebels who brought down an Empire, are a complete failure.
Also under Disney the Luke once imagined as a Jedi mentor to a new gen, is a coward, slave to fear, slave to Jedi dogma, and also complete failure.
Hence they are conveniantly doing the mentor bringing in the next gen. narative with Ahsoka instead of Luke.

To be fair, Lucas already turned the Jedi into a bunch of stiff, unlikable bureaucrats with his prequels, which is a far cry from what Obi-Wan made them seem like in the OT. Not to mention the midichlorian thing. So Disney is not the first one to undermine something that was great about the original films.

 

[McHaleyArt]

Yes agree. I was panicking that the cup was going to move. Very happy it didn’t. That showed restraint.

The Cup is my favorite Star Wars character.

 

[Mondragon]

To be fair, Lucas already turned the Jedi into a bunch of stiff, unlikable bureaucrats ...

The Jedi, not Luke.
Luke never followed Jedi dogma, to kill his own father, to abandon those he loved, but instead followed his own instinct and path, recognized and thus owned his worst fears, what he was, without denying it or letting it dominate or ultimately control him. And to be a Jedi, (without needing to possess or completely abandon) yet still be connected to those he loved.
That was the unique instinct and transformative power Luke brought to the return of the Jedi.
All betrayed and denied by Disney.

 

[davejames]

The Jedi not Luke.
Luke never followed Jedi dogma, but his own instinct and path.

I realize, but you were talking about things being ruined by Disney, and I was just saying they weren't the first ones to ruin something about SW.

 

[Mondragon]

I realize, but you were talking about things being ruined by Disney, and I was just saying they weren't the first ones to ruin something about SW.

The Jedi were already flawed and failed in Lucas' OT, that's the point.
The prequels showed how they got there, and how they failed Anakin (who was one of them).
So was Luke, and he wore his failure on his hand, any kid could understand it.
Yet he recognized it, rose above it and through his choices and actions (listed in post above) found the real Anakin again.

Disney denied him all that, regressed Luke to a clueless, slave to fear, slave to Jedi dogma, coward.

 

[Khev]

Sabine seemed like even more of a rookie in the turret than the first time Luke sat behind the Falcon's guns rather than a seasoned Mandalorian who fought on the front lines of a full scale war for many years. It almost felt like Filoni was over-compensating against complaints that Rey was too powerful.

 

[JAWS]

Why do Jedi insist on lightsabering armed robots when they could just rip them apart or smash them into walls with the force?

Because Lucas decided to give the Jedi super powers that would create plot holes and things for fans to fight about.