Star Wars: Ahsoka

[jye4ever]

 

[Khev]

SWT reporting that Anakin finally learned how to keep the ones he cares about from dying by pulling them into the WBW right at the moment of their death and saving them. Great news for Luke and Leia!

 

[The Buffinator]

Who is Andrew Tate lol

Who cares?

 

[jye4ever]

Hopefully Padme shows up tomorrow.

 

[The Buffinator]

Hopefully Padme shows up tomorrow.

….wearing her daughter’s metal bikini…

 

[xipotec]

I have to agree with the earlier post that stated the difference between PT and ST being that the PT was good story told and acted poorly, and that it could be improved by expanding due to its primary weakness being what it DIDN'T show, while the ST was a nonsensical and inconsistent story acted well with some great visuals that cannot be fixed due to what it DID show.

One could be remade shot for shot, same story and events with better acting, VFX and dialogue and turn out pretty good, the other could not. PT was terrible for many reasons but there at least was a sturdy foundation, the ST has no foundation, no matter what you build on top it will still crack, collapse and come crashing down. You can't fix stupid and the ST was endlessly that on so many levels.


Replacing the ST, bringing back the cast with completely new story could absolutely work. Same props, costumes, vehicles etc could be reused and suddenly those ST troopers and Rey figures no one wants left clogging the shelves would suddenly be wanted.


I truly hope that Ahsoka actually serves to begin replacing the ST entirely. I mean, sure, it would require DIsney to essentially admit failure but on the other hand they could essentially double dip sequel trilogies and maintain the existing Disney trilogy in Legends status, no longer canon but still there fir folk to enjoy as a "what if" scenario.

yeah no.....the dialogue in the PT was the main problem...
So remake would have to re write the entire saga.
Basically what your saying is , Tell the story of Darth Vaders fall again, without the acting, effects, and dialogue......dude that is redoing the whole thing.

 

[jaztermareal]

yeah no.....the dialogue in the PT was the main problem...
So remake would have to re write the entire saga.
Basically what your saying is , Tell the story of Darth Vaders fall again, without the acting, effects, and dialogue......dude that is redoing the whole thing.

You failed to read where I wrote "dialogue". Please re-read.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Why oh why did George not give us a "Captain America: The First Avenger" style montage of Anakin and Obi-Wan just fighting a string of battles on different worlds to showcase their journey and growth and give a ton of cool and exotic moments I'll never know.

By the Prequel Trilogy, there was no one left who could or would tell Lucas he was off the mark or had gone too far off the edge. Francis Ford Coppola and Lucas had, in private, a huge falling out, and that removed a very needed peer/critical voice to reign in Lucas at times. The "blockade" from the Phantom Menace was derivative of the US Navy blockade of Japan in the 1850s. It ushered in the modernization of Japan's military and sped up in how the samurai culture and role in Japanese society was phased out.

If the Holy Trilogy was deep into Kurosawa and Joseph Campbell, the Prequel Trilogy was a failed attempt at Margaret Mitchell's Gone With The Wind. The story Lucas was trying to tell was done better by someone else before. Lucas is great at a lot of things, but he's not David O Selznick. Post Civil War, we are near the wheelhouse timewise, 1860s for GWTW, of Matthew Perry ( the naval officer, not the nimrod from Friends) setting up ships to extort Japan into opening up trade, which would all but guarantee the erosion of the established Japanese way of life.

Gerald O'Hara and Ashley Wilkes, the Southerners in GWTW, who could not move past the drastic changes post Civil War, and it crushed them both, were openly ridiculed and shown as weak and sometimes pathetic. Did Lucas think about that when he set up Mace Windu and Ki Adi Mundi being intentionally obtuse about some fairly obvious realities of the threat against the Jedi and the galaxy at large? Lord Vader then is no longer motivated by his failures in his character, that turns him to the Dark Side. It often looks like he just recognized his current "warrior nobility" culture was kind of pathetic and weak and lacked the will to do what was needed to get the job done. Maybe a better actor than Hayden Christensen, with a better script than the one Lucas wrote, could have sold more of the nuance to a more complex push/pull in the battle for Anakin's soul. Then again, Oliver Stone did that better in Platoon. Private Chris Taylor being drawn to two different father figures, on opposite ends of the moral spectrum. But the evil "father" in Sgt. Barnes was pretty complex. He wasn't just purely evil. You could understand why he behaved as he did. It wasn't as simple as writing him off as a one dimensional villain.

You can't make Gone With The Wind with Darth Vader. In the history of SSF, I'm sure no one has ever typed that sentence here, and no one will ever likely type it again. IMHO, the PT showed that Lucas didn't really want to tell a Vader story anymore. So he didn't.

I'd argue with one thing Khev said in that post you quoted - the part about ending on a high note - this is highly unlikely to be the last time we see Hayden as Anakin. They will bring him back at every possible opportunity for the PT and Clone Wars fans, wouldn't even be surprised if they actually resurrected Anakin.

If Christensen/Anakin is "resurrected", then so will Mace Windu. ( Maybe he had a secret mini fold out hang glider?)

The return of Windu might be the final nail in the coffin over the "last Jedi" trope. At that point, if Windu comes back, you might as well bring them all back. I personally would like to see Kit Fisto come back. I liked Fisto a lot. He had personality.

 

[Khev]

The "blockade" from the Phantom Menace was derivative of the US Navy blockade of Japan in the 1850s.

I believe it was more inspired by Queen Lili‘uokalani of Hawaii being forced to give up her throne by American businessmen in the late 1800's despite her sending delegates to Washington DC pleading for assistance.

 

[chrisstbh]

 

[chrisstbh]

I’m adding fuel to the “it really WAS Anakin” fire, because a manifestation in her mind wouldn’t have a “genuine recollection”

 

[jye4ever]

Here is agp informing chrisstbh that his imaginary friends in SW are just that, imaginary and not real…

 

[xipotec]

Wanna know why I know it was all a force dream in her head?

Cause it really being Anakin causes so many plot issues with the entire SW universe.....

Filioni is not that stupid

 

[Khev]

Star Wars Theory: "Anakin was real and uses his mastery over Balance of the Force to activate his Sith Eyes at will!"

Me:

 

[Khev]

"Anakin was real!"

"And was defeated in single combat by Ahsoka Tano..."

Okay I'll stop, lol.

 

[chrisstbh]

Here is agp informing chrisstbh that his imaginary friends in SW are just that, imaginary and not real…

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[ironwez20]

Why are people saying anakin wasn't real? He's a damn ghost. Why wouldn't he be able to appear and disappear at will and change his form. He even says "ive heard that before," when Ashoka says I won't fight you. It was like a vision quest with a long dead relative.

Is this from people who still believe Anakin doesn't look like Hayden and more like that balding out of shape guy from old movies? Come on.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Wanna know why I know it was all a force dream in her head? Cause it really being Anakin causes so many plot issues with the entire SW universe.....Filioni is not that stupid

 

[goatchumby]

Hopefully Padme shows up tomorrow.

I'll settle for the real fallen hero of the PT:

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Peeps are failing to see this is Ahsoka’s story.

So I can forgive Lucas for a lot of things. But the Kit Fisto death still bothers me. He's clearly a green tinted gangster of Corellian sized proportions. I wanted to see him slaughter like 50 Palpatine bodyguards first, then do something cool like chop off the old man's leg first. Take an arm. Maybe toss in a few thermal detonators into that private chamber first before entering. I'd rather have a Kit Fisto show than an Ashoka show. But I probably stand alone in that.

Obi Wan's show wasn't really about Obi Wan. Boba Fett's show wasn't really about Boba Fett. The last season of the Mandalorian was not about the Mandalorian. I just don't think Filoni is going to bother to really make it about Ashoka. What makes Ashoka so different from the other Jedi with more expansive coverage? The animated stuff allowed for a bit more long form storytelling, and Filoni won't have those options here. The Big Mouse's mandate is to print money. "Canon" is an inconvenient speed bump now to that end. There are no more rules to honor legacy fans, it's just seeking out what can be monetized.

Just some thoughts.

PS What if the Kit Fisto show was built around a mystery starting off on an online dating site in the Star Wars Universe. Admiral Ackbar needed the credits, so he started a dating site called "Plenty Of Calamari" And Fisto thought he was just swiping right on a single mother on Tatooine, but it ends up being an ambush. He knew something was wrong when his "date" wasn't there, in her empty seat was a brand new hair brush with a thermal detonator duct taped to it. Fisto doesn't talk the whole episode, but by the end, he's standing over a pile of dead Sullustian prostitutes, he weeps and breaks out into song over the end credits.

"It's not easy bein' green
Having to spend each solar cycle
The color of the a Twi'lek
When I think I could be in an X wing squadron
Bein' in Red or Grey or Gold
Or flying sorties much more colorful like that
It's not easy bein' green
It seems you blend in
With so many other ordinary things
And people tend to pass you over
'Cause you're not standing out like an exhaust port only two meters wide
Like flashy sparkles on moisture farms
Or Star Destroyer turbo lasers in the sky
But green's the color of my lightsaber
And green can be cool and friendly like Aunt Beru
And green can be big like a half built Death Star
Or important like a Midi-clorian count or tall like a Wookie
When green is all there is to be
It could make you wonder why those aren't the droids I'm looking for
But, why wonder, why wonder so many Bothans died to get us this information?
I'm green and it'll do fine
It's beautiful and I think it's what I want to be"