Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[ZE_501]

I still maintain that Disney should just redo the sequels with an entirely new story, bring back all the cast and costumes but new everything else. Do the cast some justice, restore their careers and make all the merch suddenly desirable again. Folk would be able to associate the sequel troopers, Kylo etc etc with good movies instead of.... what we got.

I've heard this sentiment many times over the years and it's not that I'm an ST fan (quite the opposite) but I can't imagine Disney (of all corporate entities) ever walking back so great an undertaking as the entire ST. There is no world I can see in which that would happen. Not even by using the WBW nonsense Filoni introduced; not after the OT's cast made their final appearances -- mishandled and mistreated as I think their characters were.

Disney wrecked the franchise's chronology; most purists such as myself stop at Season 2 of Mandalorian. Nothing left after that. YMMV of course.

 

[jye4ever]

I've heard this sentiment many times over the years and it's not that I'm an ST fan (quite the opposite) but I can't imagine Disney (of all corporate entities) ever walking back so great an undertaking as the entire ST. There is no world I can see in which that would happen. Not even by using the WBW nonsense Filoni introduced; not after the OT's cast made their final appearances -- mishandled and mistreated as I think their characters were.

Disney wrecked the franchise's chronology; most purists such as myself stop at Season 2 of Mandalorian. Nothing left after that. YMMV of course.

Andor for me is as good as Mando.

Mando = Prime SW Swashbuckling

Andor = Prime SW Serious Drama

 

[Sachiel]

I still maintain that Disney should just redo the sequels with an entirely new story, bring back all the cast and costumes but new everything else. Do the cast some justice, restore their careers and make all the merch suddenly desirable again. Folk would be able to associate the sequel troopers, Kylo etc etc with good movies instead of.... what we got.

Grab the shovels...

 

[jaztermareal]

That Disney won't I agree, that they should I insist is the case.

At this point, given all the damage done to the brand, a clean reboot is probably the only true fix at this point, but that will only work when the current culture in Hollywood is out and quality (not mention competence) is back as the primary focus.

The reaIity I forsee is the brand being diluted and damaged into a slow death, becoming increasingly irrelevant. The fantasy I envision is the brand being reborn anew maintaining everything that was good and eschewing all that was rotten.

 

[jye4ever]

That Disney won't I agree, that they should I insist is the case.

At this point, given all the damage done to the brand, a clean reboot is probably the only true fix at this point, but that will only work when the current culture in Hollywood is out and quality (not mention competence) is back as the primary focus.

The reaIity I forsee is the brand being diluted and damaged into a slow death, becoming increasingly irrelevant. The fantasy I envision is the brand being reborn anew maintaining everything that was good and eschewing all that was rotten.

Are you willing and ready to abandon the Skywalker Saga for this new direction?

I’m asking for a friend lol

 

[ZE_501]

The reaIity I forsee is the brand being diluted and damaged into a slow death, becoming increasingly irrelevant. The fantasy I envision is the brand being reborn anew maintaining everything that was good and eschewing all that was rotten.

Probably not in our (OG fans) lifetimes.

 

[jye4ever]

So cool seeing your name again

 

[ZE_501]

So cool seeing your name again

Who me? I've been creeping around ... no one's ever really gone.

 

[jye4ever]

Who me? I've been creeping around ... no one's ever really gone.

How i wish that were true.

How I miss darthkostis’s 17 page response to a casting news lol

Does anyone recall that gif that darthkostis loved to use over and over the guy with the shameful facial expression I used to love it yet I can’t locate it anywhere.

I wanted to use that so many times yet I can’t find it not even in his old posts.

I don’t remember if it was a soccer player or an actor. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

**** was funny af whenever he used it against Wor-Gar and Buff lol

He used it as a self deprecating expression and reaction lol

 

[Sassafras]

Nothing much to add except re-watched ROTS for the ????? time.

People can say what they want; but was thinking of the staggering imagination of all those worlds, ships, vehicles, and how these were characters that mattered.

Then I think about the trailer that just got released

 

[jye4ever]

Nothing much to add except re-watched ROTS for the ????? time.

People can say what they want; but was thinking of the staggering imagination of all those worlds, ships, vehicles, and how these were characters that mattered.

Then I think about the trailer that just got released

The Wackolyte

 

[jaztermareal]

Are you willing and ready to abandon the Skywalker Saga for this new direction?

I’m asking for a friend lol

At this point.... Why not. The OT and everything else will continue to exist, they will be freed of being part of canon with TLJ, BOBF, Mando s3, TROS etc etc so could we could mentally (and officially) separate them from the crap. What comes after could be great and even if just OK we could still have all the Disney crap removed from canon. Win win.

 

[jaztermareal]

I should add that the sequel trilogy (and the other crap entries by Disney) poisons everything else. It is an infection. You can put as many band aids as you like on it, trying to heal the wound, but it will not work, the infection simply spreads until the vital organs (love of the OT) shuts down resulting in (franchise) death. The only effective treatment it to remove the infection entirely. Either decanonise the disney trash or just put the patient out of its misery and start fresh. Neither option is easy but the alternative is a long, slow and unpleasant franchise death.

 

[Mondragon]

LOL Disney is not going to forgo it's own canon, they've built their franchise around it, they built a theme park around it. if anything they will double down on it, until Lucas and the OT are treated as a meaningless foot-note in their story-group narrative.
The Rey centric post-sequels will build off it further. The Favroniverse will all lead to and coraborate it.
And the past revisionist stories will reinforce it. Further advancing Ben, Anakin and Luke who we once envisioned bringing about the new Jedi, now as the absolute Jedi Failure! (unsubtly read as straight white males). A "message" that in case you missed it will be delivered with the subtlety of a cartoon mallet. And retroactively whatever fem-powered priestess sect they are introducing in Acolyte, as the true visionaries, and correct path, to Rey ultimately defeating the Emperor and bringing about the True Return of the Jedi.

Does that make a good story? To them Luke's narrative quest was problematic and in the way of their messaging. There has never been any subtlety here, these non-"creators" never liked the OT, they likely resented it, watched it thinking how can we "fix" it. That is what they are now doing.

 

[Sassafras]

LOL Disney is not going to forgo it's own canon, they've built their franchise around it, they built a theme park around it. if anything they will double down on it, until Lucas and the OT under their watch are treated as a meaningless foot-note in their story-group narrative.
The Rey centric post-sequels will build off them further. The Favroniverse will all lead to and coraborate it.
And the past reviosonist stories will reinforce it. Further advancing Ben, Anakin and Luke (unsubtly read as straight white males) as the absolute Jedi Failures! A "message" that in case you missed it will be delivered with the subtlety of a cartoon mallet. And retroactively whatever fem-powered priestess sect they are introducing in Acolyte, as the true visionaries, and correct path, to Rey ultimately defeating the Emperor.

There is no subtlety here, these people never liked the OT, they watched it thinking how can I "fix" it. It is what they are now doing.

Having just watched some YT vids on the Hulk (which I never watched; knew enough that this new crop of writers and their insufferable smugness wasn't going to take coming treatments seriously like IM, TWS, etc. which I find offensive) on the firing of the actress or whatever.

I. JUST. DON'T. GET. IT. Why, why, why, with so many fails and millions at stake, do you perversely refuse to tell a good story FIRST, and STOP with the incessant messaging? The PT may have gotten blasted at the time; but there were real arcs there. A careful depiction of how Palpatine was able to position himself as the ultimate power. Anakin had a real arc as he struggled with his failings, leading to his fall. How Obi-wan ended up in exile. It's mythic.

As far as I can determine, Hollywood started hiring younger writers because they were cheaper; whole teams of them, and nobody writing the checks has the stones to say enough because they're afraid of Twitter. The millions, billions of losses from what could have been is staggering. This new crop of writers, far as I can tell, for the most part are horrible. More interested in agendas and "diversity" than attending creative writing classes, if they ever did. Never asking if their characterizations are consistent (Obi-Wan, Boba Fett); never asking if the character makes sense (Reva); never putting the work in to even move a character from point A to point B without teleporting (or Obi not just walking around a fence); silly action sequences (a lot of the ST)...it's not working. Landfills are overloaded enough without all the plastic pollution from unsold toys.

 

[wormlander]

I. JUST. DON'T. GET. IT. Why, why, why, with so many fails and millions at stake, do you perversely refuse to tell a good story FIRST, and STOP with the incessant messaging?

You give them way more credit than they deserve. Believe me, If they could write great characters and stories, they would. The messaging is all they have and their biggest chance of making an impact is by hi-jacking popular franchises...

 

[choombaz]

Terrific interview with John Knoll

 

[Wor-Gar]

If they could write great characters and stories, they would. The messaging is all they have and ... hi-jacking popular franchises...

Totally this. As long as the message is there, they believe they have done their job.

 

[Shai]

The force is female and the M-She-U is the final stage and penultimate conclusion that we should have never allowed them to vote.

 

[Wor-Gar]

M-She-U