Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[Bravomite]

The sequel trilogy should have started with a fake out Starship battle. Have the falcon come onto screen and then a star destroyer behind it like ANH. Only you realise that they are flying into orbit over coruscant because this is a liberation day celebration , 30 years since the emperor was toppled.

Han is a reluctant diplomat now but has been rolled out to lead the aerial show in the falcon. He and Chewie can provide some context in chat about the day is about And state of the Galaxy.

Leia is chancellor now and Luke is grand master of the jedi order. Luke is there with his wife Mara and his students from the re-established temple on coruscant. We see old wedge flying an x-wing in the display. Lando walks up to Leia, he is a senator on some world. All the while the characters are having a bit of fun but giving us some much needed background and context.

Han and Leia's oldest twin kids are in the procession as Luke's students. Their youngest is supposed to be down there too only he snuck aboard the falcon with Luke's kid, Han can chastise them a little using his dad voice but cracks a rye smile to Chewie as secretly pleased.

Han lands the falcon and walks up to Leia with Chewie and Luke joins them and they are awarded medals for their services to the new republic.

Cut to a celebration feast afterwards. Leia and Luke are busy in the positions of authority. Han longs for adventure like the old days and keeps goofing off in front of the kids kid instead of taking his diplomat role super seriously to Leia's mild frustration.

Han is always wanting to chase down old Ghosts, he has heard of an imperial remnant in so and so sector and has heard rumours of a potential incursion by a new species terrorising the outer rim. He is desperate to go investigate with Chewie in the falcon but Leia needs him here, his work as a diplomat is more important than galivanting off in the falcon around the galaxy. There are other younger folk who can deal with it, and it all needs investigaring through the proper channels etc. The Galaxy has changed and perhaps there is an edge of complaceny setting in.

There you go, follows some tropes from the old films with a dash of subverting your expectstions. But it allows our heroes to have lived a life of peace and happiness in the intervening years. They earned their victory and we get to see them all again together and celebrate with them even if it is just for one scene. Then you can cut to the scene setting up the threat for the first movie.

Perhaps the incursion in the outer rim is real. Maybe there is an old imperial remnant and perhaps some imperial we know from the movies e.g. General Veers (we never saw him die onscreen) is the leader and they eventually need to team up with the new Republic to take on this new threat.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Soooo... we need a sequel trilogy with ....

I'm saying "Take The Easy Wins That Present Themselves Naturally"

On a major film set, each individual unit, their jobs are incredibly difficult. I'm not trying to minimize that. Things that viewers take for granted like set design and costumes, that's very involved. Sometimes so much brutal hard work is too often unnoticed, but it's designed to be unnoticed at a certain level. The "world building" is supposed to immerse the viewer, not jar them out of the story and characters to focus on how great the costumes and props look.

But for something like Star Wars, on a raw concept level, there are just some easy wins available. I've never met a Star Wars fan that didn't like a good dogfight with a bunch of starfighters. That's an easy win. Or a hard edge lightsaber battle. Admiral Ackbar escaping yet another trap. And yes, just bringing Luke, Leia and Han back together again for a real coordinated and lengthy fun adventure.

This is why Top Gun Maverick worked. It wasn't some historic level piece of screen writing. It wasn't ground breaking in terms of visuals. It didn't set a new trend to have more movies regarding fighter jets non stop everywhere. But at each point where there was an "easy win", they took it. Maverick finds his way back into a Tomcat. That's a no brainer, so it happened. Maverick buzzing the tower. Easy win, so it happened. Maverick breaking the rules against all odds. Again, it happened.

Even outside of Star Wars. Neville Longbottom was kind of a disaster zone. But well meaning. A good hearted person. Just clumsy and mostly incompetent. But he's an underdog and the easy win is having an underdog being the most fearless person in the face of certain death and against overwhelming odds. So you do that. You give the audience that.

From a basic screenwriting standpoint, Lucas just left a lot of easy wins on the table in the Prequel Trilogy. He set the table where the easy wins were easy to ignore in the Sequel Trilogy as well. The fine details, logsitics and execution, that's hard. But the raw concepts of giving fans what they want, I don't think that's rocket science.

 

[loki2371]

The sequel trilogy should have started with a fake out Starship battle. Have the falcon come onto screen and then a star destroyer behind it like ANH. Only you realise that they are flying into orbit over coruscant because this is a liberation day celebration , 30 years since the emperor was toppled.

Han is a reluctant diplomat now but has been rolled out to lead the aerial show in the falcon. He and Chewie can provide some context in chat about the day is about And state of the Galaxy.

Leia is chancellor now and Luke is grand master of the jedi order. Luke is there with his wife Mara and his students from the re-established temple on coruscant. We see old wedge flying an x-wing in the display. Lando walks up to Leia, he is a senator on some world. All the while the characters are having a bit of fun but giving us some much needed background and context.

Han and Leia's oldest twin kids are in the procession as Luke's students. Their youngest is supposed to be down there too only he snuck aboard the falcon with Luke's kid, Han can chastise them a little using his dad voice but cracks a rye smile to Chewie as secretly pleased.

Han lands the falcon and walks up to Leia with Chewie and Luke joins them and they are awarded medals for their services to the new republic.

Cut to a celebration feast afterwards. Leia and Luke are busy in the positions of authority. Han longs for adventure like the old days and keeps goofing off in front of the kids kid instead of taking his diplomat role super seriously to Leia's mild frustration.

Han is always wanting to chase down old Ghosts, he has heard of an imperial remnant in so and so sector and has heard rumours of a potential incursion by a new species terrorising the outer rim. He is desperate to go investigate with Chewie in the falcon but Leia needs him here, his work as a diplomat is more important than galivanting off in the falcon around the galaxy. There are other younger folk who can deal with it, and it all needs investigaring through the proper channels etc. The Galaxy has changed and perhaps there is an edge of complaceny setting in.

There you go, follows some tropes from the old films with a dash of subverting your expectstions. But it allows our heroes to have lived a life of peace and happiness in the intervening years. They earned their victory and we get to see them all again together and celebrate with them even if it is just for one scene. Then you can cut to the scene setting up the threat for the first movie.

Perhaps the incursion in the outer rim is real. Maybe there is an old imperial remnant and perhaps some imperial we know from the movies e.g. General Veers (we never saw him die onscreen) is the leader and they eventually need to team up with the new Republic to take on this new threat.

Such a simple and great opening. But we all know why we didn't get this. I'll remind you....

She wanted to burn it all down. Tarnish the OT characters Lucas created and replace them with HER newer better characters that the public would love and embrace and forget about those old crappy characters. After all, she was the shining star Lucas & Spielberg never listened to. She'd prove them wrong by burning their legacies to the ground while hers rise to the top. Pure Hubris. A true Narcissist to the Nth Degree.

 

[jaztermareal]

I'm saying "Take The Easy Wins That Present Themselves Naturally"

On a major film set, each individual unit, their jobs are incredibly difficult. I'm not trying to minimize that. Things that viewers take for granted like set design and costumes, that's very involved. Sometimes so much brutal hard work is too often unnoticed, but it's designed to be unnoticed at a certain level. The "world building" is supposed to immerse the viewer, not jar them out of the story and characters to focus on how great the costumes and props look.

But for something like Star Wars, on a raw concept level, there are just some easy wins available. I've never met a Star Wars fan that didn't like a good dogfight with a bunch of starfighters. That's an easy win. Or a hard edge lightsaber battle. Admiral Ackbar escaping yet another trap. And yes, just bringing Luke, Leia and Han back together again for a real coordinated and lengthy fun adventure.

This is why Top Gun Maverick worked. It wasn't some historic level piece of screen writing. It wasn't ground breaking in terms of visuals. It didn't set a new trend to have more movies regarding fighter jets non stop everywhere. But at each point where there was an "easy win", they took it. Maverick finds his way back into a Tomcat. That's a no brainer, so it happened. Maverick buzzing the tower. Easy win, so it happened. Maverick breaking the rules against all odds. Again, it happened.

Even outside of Star Wars. Neville Longbottom was kind of a disaster zone. But well meaning. A good hearted person. Just clumsy and mostly incompetent. But he's an underdog and the easy win is having an underdog being the most fearless person in the face of certain death and against overwhelming odds. So you do that. You give the audience that.

From a basic screenwriting standpoint, Lucas just left a lot of easy wins on the table in the Prequel Trilogy. He set the table where the easy wins were easy to ignore in the Sequel Trilogy as well. The fine details, logsitics and execution, that's hard. But the raw concepts of giving fans what they want, I don't think that's rocket science.

Sooooo you are saying more booooobies??

 

[Solidus]