Star Wars: The Canon Reloaded

[ZE_501]

Tha comics line has been consistently showing the Emperor abusing Vader directly with his power.....and it only makes sense.

Based on the way the story went in ROTJ sure it could, although I'd like to think the Emperor wouldn't need to constantly slap him around to prove his power and control. That's where they lose me.

The character has had a weird arc. He was more of an enforcer and pain in the ass for regular military brass in ANH, a straight-up murdering loose cannon Bond villain in ESB, and a whipped dog in ROTJ. I appreciate him being the muscle in ANH, I appreciate the over-the-top villainy in ESB, but I start to lose my fandom a bit (as an adult anyway) during ROTJ.

It's not that I want him to be this over-powered super-villain, quite the opposite as I (generally, unless we're talking Bond villain) prefer a more restrained approach to storytelling, but the battered slave thing strains the plausibility of the narrative for me.

I know Vader fan boys cling to the idea that Vader , the chosen one, is the most powerful force user ever. This simply cannot be true.

The whole chosen one thing is where they definitely lose me, but that's the story so I have to suck it up. Or quietly ignore it.

Vader as depicted now can take on entire armies by himself. I preferred a cunning villain who would never have allowed himself to be in that position in the first place. *That's* power. The President of the United States can't be touched by a foot-soldier because he'd never even see him.

Like any good villain, Vader controlled the game. Deflecting Han's blaster bolts at the dinner table was *stylish*. Having him take on an entire platoon singlehandedly is ... something a kid would do with his action figures.

Vader was the Emperors slave. That was the entire point of the OT. Was he a bad ass? Yes. But in the end he was a henchmen for the true power.

That's what made the emperor scary, and I personally think it detracts from that sense of menace and power to see him constantly smacking Vader around.

Either by design or budgetary constraints, Star Wars used to be a tighter, more economical story with a lot implied rather than shown, which is what helped make those old movies so good back then, flaws and all.

 

[Prime Clone]

Well said gents! I guess the RO climax is further evidence of the character of Vader losing something when his full power is on display, rather than just hinted at.

 

[ZE_501]

Well said gents! I guess the RO climax is further evidence of the character of Vader losing something when his full power is on display, rather than just hinted at.

A really good villain doesn't need to be invincible or flashy. ESB Vader was a murdering psychopath but he did it with understatement and dry wit. With style.

 

[Khev]

Well said gents! I guess the RO climax is further evidence of the character of Vader losing something when his full power is on display, rather than just hinted at.

There's definitely merit with "less is more" and merely hinting at something that would be disappointing if seen in full. But RO Vader's rampage is not one of them IMO. That scene took all of his hinted at power and masterfully fulfilled putting it all on display.

If George was smart *he* would have been the one to do that back in TPM when the hangar doors opened in front of Darth Maul. "We'll go the other way." Huh? Why would Padme say that? Nobody had seen a Sith in 2,000 years. She should have ordered her guards to open fire and let the audience see for the first time what a Sith unleashed looks like. But no George ignored that awesome opportunity and left the door wide open for RO Vader to step through instead.

 

[aussiebottt]

There's definitely merit with "less is more" and merely hinting at something that would be disappointing if seen in full. But RO Vader's rampage is not one of them IMO. That scene took all of his hinted at power and masterfully fulfilled putting it all on display.

If George was smart *he* would have been the one to do that back in TPM when the hangar doors opened in front of Darth Maul. "We'll go the other way." Huh? Why would Padme say that? Nobody had seen a Sith in 2,000 years. She should have ordered her guards to open fire and let the audience see for the first time what a Sith unleashed looks like. But no George ignored that awesome opportunity and left the door wide open for RO Vader to step through instead.

Duel of the Fates is awesome enough as it is. We got to see what a Sith unleashed looked like by taking on 2 Jedi at once with a never before seen weapon. Sure we could have had a hanger full of troops open fire and had an over-the-top battle in addition to that but like you said "less is more"...

 

[xipotec]

I think Duel is fine , although as I age I find the baton twirling sabers a bit much.
I am more of a fan of the hack and slash with some flourish style of RO and ESB.


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[ZE_501]

There's definitely merit with "less is more" and merely hinting at something that would be disappointing if seen in full. But RO Vader's rampage is not one of them IMO. That scene took all of his hinted at power and masterfully fulfilled putting it all on display.

Agree to disagree. ... I thought he looked a little awkward, to be honest. The RFT's fear-stricken reaction sold it, but lumbering Vader with helicopter lightsaber and shaking his Force Fist at those pesky rebels didn't do it for me.

Vader is at his most intimidating when his movements are subtle, economical, and gravely consequential, IMO.

If George was smart *he* would have been the one to do that back in TPM when the hangar doors opened in front of Darth Maul. "We'll go the other way." Huh? Why would Padme say that? Nobody had seen a Sith in 2,000 years. She should have ordered her guards to open fire and let the audience see for the first time what a Sith unleashed looks like. But no George ignored that awesome opportunity and left the door wide open for RO Vader to step through instead.

While there is a valid point there in terms of realism, I think it was one of the things he did right .. as a dramatic decision it set up the duel much better and one could argue that Maul emanated enough FEAR that Padme and the gang said "Heeeelll nooo...!"

 

[ZE_501]

I think Duel is fine , although as I age I find the baton twirling sabers a bit much.
I am more of a fan of the hack and slash with some flourish style of RO and ESB.


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I can buy it in TPM but it made no sense in the final duel for ROTS. I do prefer the ESB duel. After I took some fencing classes I saw it with new eyes.

 

[Prime Clone]

If you loved the panels above you'll be thrilled to know a Vader TV series is rumoured, based on the comics: https://www.geekositymag.com/post/scoop-darth-vader-tv-series-with-doctor-aphra-rumored

Cos now they have, y'know, "source material"!

(Though from the sounds of it it'll be based on the first run of Vader comics, before things got too absurd.)

 

[Prime Clone]

If we can have white Boba, why not black?

 

[matticus]

Lol covered in soot...I hope.

 

[Prime Clone]

Also it's now canon that the Emperor was building his Final Order fleet since the OT era, and Vader discovered Exegol. We may even see another Dark Luke clone!

 

[matticus]

"Bespin was an immense gas giant located in the vicinity of the Anoat sector, a desolate sector of the galaxy. Bespin had two moons, and its gaseous mass contained a thin stratum of habitable atmosphere above a source of rare and costly tibanna gas, although there was no habitable land or water on the planet."

 

[Prime Clone]

"Bespin was an immense gas giant located in the vicinity of the Anoat sector, a desolate sector of the galaxy. Bespin had two moons, and its gaseous mass contained a thin stratum of habitable atmosphere above a source of rare and costly tibanna gas, although there was no habitable land or water on the planet."

He probably got it from the Ugnaughts' junk pile:

 

[Prime Clone]

Looks like War of the Bounty Hunters is going full Shadows of the Empire - the Rebels joining in on the quest for Solo.

No Prince Xizor or Black Sun syndicate yet though.

And nice to see Luke in the gear from his post-ANH promo shots...

 

[matticus]

It's got to be all new besides the main OT characters. We can't have Xizor, he's Legends. It is Cheesezor, a yellow skinned crime boss that runs Yellow Sun now. Black Sun is too incorrect now.

 

[Prime Clone]

It's got to be all new besides the main OT characters. We can't have Xizor, he's Legends. It is Cheesezor, a yellow skinned crime boss that runs Yellow Sun now. Black Sun is too incorrect now.

Hehe true.

Xizor shouldn't be precluded just because he's Legends. They've already reintroduced Thrawn, Valance... even Jaxxon!

 

[matticus]

Hehe true.

Xizor shouldn't be precluded just because he's Legends. They've already reintroduced Thrawn, Valance... even Jaxxon!

I just want my Dash Rendar. I don't care what anyone thinks, he was awesome. I remember when I had a Twitter account and tweeted at that Pablo Hidalgo, who is on the LF story group, if we will see a future with Dash. He tweeted back that he was too puffy. Man, still pissed about that. Read other stories of LF employees ripping on fans. F those MFs.

 

[Prime Clone]

He tweeted back that he was too puffy.

Who's puffy-looking!?

 

[TheDucky]

I just want my Dash Rendar. I don't care what anyone thinks, he was awesome. I remember when I had a Twitter account and tweeted at that Pablo Hidalgo, who is on the LF story group, if we will see a future with Dash. He tweeted back that he was too puffy. Man, still pissed about that. Read other stories of LF employees ripping on fans. F those MFs.

Pablo sucks, as most LFL employees do nowadays.