Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

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That didn't bother me....in fact, that was one of the things that worked in the movie's favor...the idea that we as viewers are showing up in the middle of it...it's the same thing George did way back when and it works here too. We know Han has history with his son...in their brief encounter here (as with Leia), we can get the feeling that it's a history rife with tragedy and disappointment. If anything, Kasdan and Abrams have really written Kylo into quite the corner here. And Driver's performance is quite good at showing all of that conflict. Again, we're in "re-run" territory with the story elements here, but it's where the saga goes with it from here that has a potential of being really interesting....c'mon Johnsom...don't let us down!:)

And another thing about the movie to me that seems to go unsaid in a lot of the back-n-forth. Looking at the story and characters here, this is one dark movie. It's the one main thing Kasdan and Abrams have done here that makes me sad...that "happy" ending we all saw in ROTJ all those years ago turned out to be very short-lived. They've ripped out the "Once Upon a Time" where redemption through unconditional love vanquished evil and the idea of "happily ever after" is wiped away to reveal a galaxy of tragedy, disappointment and despair. Intellectually, I get it...Disney needs the story to go on, and to do that, conflict is needed. I'm just sad as a fan that the price for that is to make all of the heroes who's tales we've had for forty years as an illustration of the triumph of good over evil turn out to be tragic figures awaiting yet another chance at redemption though another set of characters for the sake of doing it all again.

Again, that's drama....I get it. But it's still sad to me that the only way this new creative regime could see to make the story go on was to obliterate the accomplishments of the earlier movies and "rinse, lather, repeat" their way through these new stories.

I want to be wrong here...but Disney is a company to make money first and foremost...they are not here to foster art and myth. As this movie proves, they don't have to...the money is poring in. They may continue on the path of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and why not? It's certainly proving to be popular.

But will it stand the test of time like the original movies? We won't have an answer to that for a long time.

Ray, Finn and Kylo are good strong characters being brought ot life with great performances. I'm gonna go on the light side here and hope that the story becomes as strong and different as the characters in it.

I'm glad Abrams is only doing one of these....I'm looking forward to what Johnson brings next....still a little nervous about Treverrow (Jurassic World has to be one of the most bald-faced, cookie-cutter- by-the-numbers success things we've seen in a long time...the very definition of a studio wet dream)...but we'll see.

Your take on all of this has to be one of my favorite reads, you are firing on all cylinders.

Disney knew they had to give us the same after all the complaints that the PT were not the same as the OT. :lol

I'm sure GL warned Disney that SW fans are all a bunch of *******s! :lol
 
Does anyone have a screen shot of the Stormies in orange pauldrons that actually have a classic Sandtrooper type shoulder pouch? A board members says they are in the movie and trailer, but I sure never saw it!?!?! Really bugging my OCD!!! TY
 
Saw TFA for the first time today. Review below

I hadn't watched any trailers aside from the first teaser so went in blind except I knew Kylo Ren was Han and Leias son as my nephew (granted I ask) told me but aside from that and knowing Poe would survive the start as I saw him in the X-Wing in the teaser I didn't know anything.

It's a 9 or a 9.5 from me. I loved pretty much everything.

STORY

I really missed the opening 20th Century Fox fanfare. That's a part of Star Wars and its absence was noticeable.

I felt the story and pace moved really well until the last 25-30 minutes which was just wrapping things up.

The opening battle on Jakku was memorable for me not because it was particularly a good battle but because it looked so real. You could tell it was shot on a set with actual props rather than CGI green screen.

Loved the First Order and their whole design being modernised Empire tech though I found the Knights of Ren name dropped but not explained at all and first order being around while their is a republic and not seeing the republic odd. It's like there's a republic and resistance and first order and the republic isn't doing anything to stop the first order taking over the Galaxy while the resistance is.

The only thing I didn't like about the movie is the constant not only nods but the parallels to the OT.

Things like:

  • Rey being an orphan force-sensitive on a desert planet = Luke
  • Ren sensing Han had landed on the Starkiller base = Vader and Luke sensing each other in ESB
  • The Starkiler base right down to the one vulnerable part, the briefing and attack = ANH and Death Star, this can be similiar as missions have briefings but if felt beat by beat like the same scenes
  • Starkiller base detention area being reused and the garbage shute thing = ANH
  • "I'm a Stormtrooper and I'm here to rescue you"
  • Rens Torture chair/table = Vaders torture chair/table
  • The bar scene = Cantina scene, right down to shots of each table
  • BB-8 carrying the Map = R2 carrying the Death Star plans

And the one moment I liked as well as hated was Hans death. The scene was good and Drivers acting made you believe he was needing the strength to leave the dark side as opposed to the strength to leave the light forever but with Finn and Rey watching the whole scene telegraphed the whole thing as basically the death of Obi-Wan down to the NOOO!!!! from the spectators.

One thing this didn't do as good as the OT and yes, even the the PT is flesh out the Galaxy as much. I don't recall the names of any planets aside from Jakku and the only notable ship was RENs shuttle whereas the planet names and ship variants were more pronounced and was more of them in previous movies.

CHARACTERS

Rey.

Really liked Rey and thought Ridley did a great job. However I felt they hammered home the 'yes she's a woman and no she's not a damsel' message far too much. The first "You can fly?" Moment from Finn made sense as I can't recall any female pilots in the OT but her being able to fly better than Han? No sorry, that'd be okay if she wasn't excellent at everything. She not only could fly amazingly but she could fix anything and could learn enough about the force really quickly to rival most Jedi and finally she's great with a lightsaber despite having never trained once.

Her mysterious backstory was good and it did its job of having the audience ask questions and pose theories. Mine being that I reckon she's either Luke's daughter and that's why she's so good at fixing things and flying, as he was and so was his Father and the whole 'This lightsaber belonged to Luke and his Father and now to you" thing. If not Luke's daughter perhaps one of his young king students who he placed with a family on Jakku for protection and she was kidnapped from them as inferred in her vision or perhaps Luke put those memories in her head.

With the parallels to Luke and Anakin I think it likely she'll be related to them somehow though I'd prefer not as Ren was Han and Leias son and having another principle character be a child of the OT actors would feel like the next movie will do the same thing this did with Ren. Not to mention it would suck if Skywalker came wasn't raised by their parents Parents as Vader never raised Luke and Leia and Anakin well he was raised by his Mum but he left and Ben Solo left his family by choice to train with Luke so as of now most hadn't been raised by their real Parents and left as young adults.

Finn

Until it was revealed that Rey was the force sensitive I though Finn would be the Jedi due to the Hot Toys figure and how the awakening could be seen at that point as him being Force-sensitive from the lingering look Ren gave him post-battle on Jakku.

Thought he had some great humour and heart for Rey though their relationship became intense pretty damn quick I almost thought she'd kiss him back to life at the end and speaking of, him at the end was kinda vague in the is he or isn't he alive. Looks like he's in a coma or something.

Kylo Ren

I liked him, with and without the mask. Liked how how was quick to lose his temper and didn't exert the compare of Vader showing that while he wants to be like Vader it's obvious he truly never him.

Han Solo, Chewie & Leia

Han and Chewie were fine, nothing truly special. I found his bond with Rey to be good, didn't like how in all their years together he never once used Chewies Bowcaster. Leia was mostly non-existent for me, she was there hut not really of any importance, her and Hans reference to their "Son" made it so obvious that his real name would be revealed in a dramatic moment, that kinda makes sense for that dramatic moment but felt so wrong to refer to him as "Son" all the tim. I found that that Han and Leia not kissing really put a damper on their relationship. They may not be together but to hug her instead of Kiss just showed a distance between actors more than characters.

Poe Dameron

Really liked Poe. He came off so likeable and his reunion with Finn was great. He also didn't sound or look like Apocalypse at all which showed me the range of Oscar Isaac. His Luke/R2 relationship with BB-8 was nice too.

BB-8

One word; Cute. So damn cute

Luke Skywalker

I liked how the "where is Luke?" plot was mirrored in the public having the same question. I knew he wasn't Ren but I thought he could be Stoke who like the First Order needed some more exposition and backstory. Why he s off on this planet needs answering. I like how 'Old Ben' he looked with the beard and outfit.

OVERALL

I really enjoyed it, it was immensely fun and felt like authentic Star Wars and the only things that bugged me were the parallels to the OT and the only thing I didn't like was telegraphing Hans death.

Psyched to see the next one and will see that opening day
 
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Saw this for a second time yesterday, loved it even more. Everything about this movie is great, the acting, writing, action, music, pacing, I really don't have a single complaint. I will be seeing this again in the next few days, IMAX 3d this time.
 
Not a good movie? I don't think so. Here's where I think the problem lies...

Many of the arguments I've heard against this particular installment can readily be applied to any of the original trilogy films. If these arguments are the basis for not being happy with these movies I suggest you go back to the OT and see for yourself. With regards to the prequel trilogy, not only did they suffer from CGI overload, but also horrible acting, terrible pacing, were devoid of raw emotion... yet there are a lot of people out there who still enjoyed them. And if you really think about who those people are, they are among the younger generation of Star Wars fans.

Many of us first saw Star Wars when we were young kids. Back then we were mesmerized with what we saw on screen. It was nothing like anything we've experienced up to that point in our lives. Star Wars A New Hope was in essence, a really campy film with cheesy dialogue, but because it was so fresh in terms of what we were seeing on screen, we really didn't pay much attention that aspect of the film. Our life experience was limited to what we saw in our households and what we experienced with our friends and families within our communities. We didn't care that some of what we saw defied our understanding of the physical universe, or that some of it was just outright not physically possible. Yet our imaginations soared, and we were able to relive those moments and create new adventures with our action figures, toy blasters and lightsabers. Star Wars told us that anything was possible, which fueled our collective imagination and inspired millions, if not billions of people worldwide.

Most of us have grown up in a world that has made huge leaps forward in art, culture, science, exploration and technology. And many of those who have led those efforts are Star Wars fans. We've become a generation jaded with what we've witnessed since our childhood years back in the late 70s and early 80s. It's been sensory overload ever since the mainstream use of the internet, and we've become a society even more cynical and critical of what we're presented with. Nothing is new under the sun. For many of us, our life experiences has taken us not to battlefields in a galaxy far far away, but to battlefields abroad on our home planet. We've fought a different type of tyranny, and we've seen that warfare isn't the sanitized affair we've seen in our beloved Star Wars movies, but something that is very bloody and brutal, and has enduring consequences. We've seen this brutality replicated in the films and video games that have bombarded our collective consciousness in the years since ROTJ. The stories, both fictional and real, that have influenced and defined our lives since made us both immune to old formulas and resistant to concepts that may stray to far from what's familiar.

The problem isn't with the Force Awakens or JJ Abrams. The problem lies within us. We're not looking at this movie through the eyes of an inexperienced 10 year old, full of wonder and imagination, but through the eyes of our jaded adult selves who are going into this movie with a lot more to reflect on in our personal lives and experiences. We expect more. More of what? I'm not really sure. I don't think we even really know. Stray too far from the familiar and it ceases to be Star Wars. Stick too close to the familiar and it's just a rehash of old material. Why blame the film for delivering something that fans have been asking for?

Do you have a problem with the who was cast in their respective roles?

In my opinion the cast was perfect. Other than the familiar faces, most characters were nothing like we've seen in previous Star Wars films. The actors all did a phenomenal job playing their roles. I don't really see any argument there.

Do you have a problem with the cinematics?

Again, we weren't being bombarded with unrealistic looking CGI and the few CGI characters and scenes was done sparingly and handled very well. While the use of practical effects alone won't make a good Star Wars movie, it certainly took nothing away from it.

Do you have a problem with the story?

We are only one episode into the new trilogy. How this story plays out and how the characters develop remain to be seen. The purpose of this film was to introduce the new cast and the familiar territory was the catalyst. Yes, this movie borrowed familiar plot points, but it also did it in a way that was familiar yet very different and with more depth.

I saw this movie for a second time with my parents who are visiting for the holidays, and I can honestly say that I enjoyed it even more the second viewing. Instead of viewing the film through the lens of my 40 something self, I looked at it through the eyes of my inner 10 year old, experiencing it as I once did when my parents took me to see it way back then. And this time with my own 10 year old son and his younger sister. I understand that there will be people who just don't like the movie and were expecting more (or less) of something. Some of you walked away unsatisfied. I get it. But if you're honest with yourself, perhaps the problem here is you and not the movie that delivered what many fans expected it to deliver.
 
$544 million domestic in 12 days. After its first 12 days Jurassic World went on to make an additional $250 million. So if The Force Awakens *only* does what JW did from here on out (instead of constantly obliterating each equivalent day) then $544 + $250 = $794.

Looks like TFA is on track to clear $800 million domestically. :horror

Avatar made $760....
 
Not a good movie? I don't think so. Here's where I think the problem lies...

Many of the arguments I've heard against this particular installment can readily be applied to any of the original trilogy films. If these arguments are the basis for not being happy with these movies I suggest you go back to the OT and see for yourself. With regards to the prequel trilogy, not only did they suffer from CGI overload, but also horrible acting, terrible pacing, were devoid of raw emotion... yet there are a lot of people out there who still enjoyed them. And if you really think about who those people are, they are among the younger generation of Star Wars fans.

Many of us first saw Star Wars when we were young kids. Back then we were mesmerized with what we saw on screen. It was nothing like anything we've experienced up to that point in our lives. Star Wars A New Hope was in essence, a really campy film with cheesy dialogue, but because it was so fresh in terms of what we were seeing on screen, we really didn't pay much attention that aspect of the film. Our life experience was limited to what we saw in our households and what we experienced with our friends and families within our communities. We didn't care that some of what we saw defied our understanding of the physical universe, or that some of it was just outright not physically possible. Yet our imaginations soared, and we were able to relive those moments and create new adventures with our action figures, toy blasters and lightsabers. Star Wars told us that anything was possible, which fueled our collective imagination and inspired millions, if not billions of people worldwide.

Most of us have grown up in a world that has made huge leaps forward in art, culture, science, exploration and technology. And many of those who have led those efforts are Star Wars fans. We've become a generation jaded with what we've witnessed since our childhood years back in the late 70s and early 80s. It's been sensory overload ever since the mainstream use of the internet, and we've become a society even more cynical and critical of what we're presented with. Nothing is new under the sun. For many of us, our life experiences has taken us not to battlefields in a galaxy far far away, but to battlefields abroad on our home planet. We've fought a different type of tyranny, and we've seen that warfare isn't the sanitized affair we've seen in our beloved Star Wars movies, but something that is very bloody and brutal, and has enduring consequences. We've seen this brutality replicated in the films and video games that have bombarded our collective consciousness in the years since ROTJ. The stories, both fictional and real, that have influenced and defined our lives since made us both immune to old formulas and resistant to concepts that may stray to far from what's familiar.

The problem isn't with the Force Awakens or JJ Abrams. The problem lies within us. We're not looking at this movie through the eyes of an inexperienced 10 year old, full of wonder and imagination, but through the eyes of our jaded adult selves who are going into this movie with a lot more to reflect on in our personal lives and experiences. We expect more. More of what? I'm not really sure. I don't think we even really know. Stray too far from the familiar and it ceases to be Star Wars. Stick too close to the familiar and it's just a rehash of old material. Why blame the film for delivering something that fans have been asking for?

Do you have a problem with the who was cast in their respective roles?

In my opinion the cast was perfect. Other than the familiar faces, most characters were nothing like we've seen in previous Star Wars films. The actors all did a phenomenal job playing their roles. I don't really see any argument there.

Do you have a problem with the cinematics?

Again, we weren't being bombarded with unrealistic looking CGI and the few CGI characters and scenes was done sparingly and handled very well. While the use of practical effects alone won't make a good Star Wars movie, it certainly took nothing away from it.

Do you have a problem with the story?

We are only one episode into the new trilogy. How this story plays out and how the characters develop remain to be seen. The purpose of this film was to introduce the new cast and the familiar territory was the catalyst. Yes, this movie borrowed familiar plot points, but it also did it in a way that was familiar yet very different and with more depth.

I saw this movie for a second time with my parents who are visiting for the holidays, and I can honestly say that I enjoyed it even more the second viewing. Instead of viewing the film through the lens of my 40 something self, I looked at it through the eyes of my inner 10 year old, experiencing it as I once did when my parents took me to see it way back then. And this time with my own 10 year old son and his younger sister. I understand that there will be people who just don't like the movie and were expecting more (or less) of something. Some of you walked away unsatisfied. I get it. But if you're honest with yourself, perhaps the problem here is you and not the movie that delivered what many fans expected it to deliver.

I used to like the 80's/90's TMNT cartoon when I was 10, but then I got older, saw better shows, and it put things in perspective. Same thing happened with SW, I saw it when I was a kid, and I thought it was ok, then I grew up and saw better films, but that doesn't take away from SW uniqueness in a time when there was nothing like it. It's only natural to expect something better once you've seen better things, and the TFA is superior than ANH in some areas, like the acting and the special effects, but everything else the original film did it better...or first, imo.
 
Great movie. It felt like a true continuation of the original trilogy. There were some things though that did bother. I really thought Luke was going to play a bigger role in this and not just 3 seconds at the end. I also was expecting a lot more from Phasma and not the 2 mins of screen time she got. The promotions made it seemed like she was this badass elite and she did nothing. Having learned that Kylo was Han's son, I knew then he'd end up killing him. That wasn't really a big surprise. I did not like also how Rey was able to use the force so precisely without having any real knowledge of it. Luke at least had some minor training and teaching from Obi Wan, Rey had no one really. Overall though it was really excellent. I saw this in a 4k IMAX and it was just stunning. Hopefully I get to see it again before it leaves the theater.
 
Do you have a problem with the story?

We are only one episode into the new trilogy. How this story plays out and how the characters develop remain to be seen. The purpose of this film was to introduce the new cast and the familiar territory was the catalyst. Yes, this movie borrowed familiar plot points, but it also did it in a way that was familiar yet very different and with more depth.

Even though the movie is well made and enjoyable, I do have an issue with the story. For serving as an introduction to a new trilogy, they did a lazy half-assed lousy job of explaining who the First Order is and why there is a Resistance while there is a Galactic Republic doing nothing about either group. Where they took our heroes and the galaxy also undoes the happy ending of RotJ. Stories surely need conflict but to rehash an Empire 2.0, Vader 2.0, Emperor 2.0, Tarkin 2.0, Death Star 3.0, Rebellion 2.0, etc etc etc deserves criticism. A new, original conflict could have been made but they played it safe and by doing so makes this movie ok at best. Not bad but not great. My biggest beef is Luke disappearance and allowing the galaxy to be engulfed in such turmoil!

You're right. Episodes VIII and IX might shed some light on Luke's disappearance and why the Republic allowed the First Order to get so powerful.

Again the movie was enjoyable. It's not really anything to hate but the love for it baffles me.
 
... lousy job of explaining who the First Order is and why there is a Resistance while there is a Galactic Republic doing nothing about either group. ..

This is a very good point. The world was not clearly explained. The Knights of Ren remain unexplained too. This might be backlash to the PT which explained way too much of the political backstory.

But it really does seem like nothing's changed 'since we last saw our heroes'... even the Stardestroyers remain consistent.
 
Even though the movie is well made and enjoyable, I do have an issue with the story. For serving as an introduction to a new trilogy, they did a lazy half-assed lousy job of explaining who the First Order is and why there is a Resistance while there is a Galactic Republic doing nothing about either group. Where they took our heroes and the galaxy also undoes the happy ending of RotJ. Stories surely need conflict but to rehash an Empire 2.0, Vader 2.0, Emperor 2.0, Tarkin 2.0, Death Star 3.0, Rebellion 2.0, etc etc etc deserves criticism. A new, original conflict could have been made but they played it safe and by doing so makes this movie ok at best. Not bad but not great. My biggest beef is Luke disappearance and allowing the galaxy to be engulfed in such turmoil!

You're right. Episodes VIII and IX might shed some light on Luke's disappearance and why the Republic allowed the First Order to get so powerful.

Again the movie was enjoyable. It's not really anything to hate but the love for it baffles me.

Agreed that they didn't explain these groups sufficiently. It's like a lot has happened between this and ROTJ and we know next to nothing. It's like going from Chapter 3 to Chapter 7 in a book with little understanding of what happened in between.

First Order seems to have been around enough for the Republic to have been ignoring them for a good while. Knights of Ren was nothing more than a mention as was the Republic. We only really are exposed to The Resistance and the Order with no info on how they formed after ROTJ.

That's annoying. ANH didn't need to explain how the empire came to be as that was the status quo. But with this the status quo at the end of ROTJ was a new republic being formed and empire vanquished. We went from that straight to a new evil regime essentially in charge without knowing how.
 
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I considered the victory of ROTJ to be the death of Palpatine, defeat of Vader, and the destruction of the Death Star 2. I never though the ruling government of the galaxy was obliterated in one battle.

Maybe the factions were not explained deliberately enough but I took away from the movie that the New Republic was the government in power, the First Order were the remains of the Empire + new recruits, and the Resistance was the military force devoted to keeping the First Order in line. It obviously became clear that the FO were more of a threat than anticipated, which will surely be a major story point in the sequels.

I don't really feel like that's a problem. Other than leaning on the ANH structure (which is a common flaw in the SW universe), I don't find the writing lazy at all. Quite the opposite - the screenplay gets a LOT of character exposition across within entertaining scenes and manages to create a sympathetic and enjoyable new cast of characters while paying homage to the old guard.

Well done, I say. :clap
 
They could have explained all that in a 5 minute montage intro, Watchmen style, but then again, that wouldn't feel very Star Warsy.

Or better yet in a two-second sentence in real time. You know, off the cuff like: Ever since the Tardarians formed an alliance with the 12 systems, the First Order has been allowed to fortify itself unchecked.
 
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