Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

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I think it’s hard for people to accept that ....people are enjoying the new films, and you childhood hero really didn’t care one way or the other in the end.....the check in his bank account is all that really matters.

The reaction in many quarters (pretty much all user scores) has this as the worst Star Wars film since TPM and AOTC. Of course a lot of people do like it, but same goes with TPM and AOTC. You may have to put it in that context to understand the disappointment/vitriol. I thought TPM was so bad I didn't even go to see AOTC in the theaters. Then saw it at home on DVD and thought it was silly/poorly acted/loaded with cringeworthy scenes.

I can't believe you're essentially calling Hamill a shill for playing Luke Skywalker in this film. How much power do you think he has? Was he supposed to grind the production of the ST to a halt, walk out and have them write his character out or recast him or something? He was a consummate pro with his acting/performance despite his obvious reservations about the direction of the character. And he obviously did care by how public he was with his issues. Most likely he had many such arguments with Johnson to change things behind the scenes.

You're taking some bizarre angles to defend this flick.
 
People didn't hate the prequels as much as people now make it out to be, they were pretty well reviewed and made a ton of money, sure it wasn't as great as people wanted but it's only been in more recent years that things have largely turned super negative about them, mostly because people who didn't like them are very loud about it.
 
TLJ deserves to win every Razzie it can be Nominated for.

People didn't hate the prequels as much as people now make it out to be, they were pretty well reviewed and made a ton of money, sure it wasn't as great as people wanted but it's only been in more recent years that things have largely turned super negative about them, mostly because people who didn't like them are very loud about it.

I am proud to say I didn't hate them....I am also proud to say I freakin hate TLJ
 
I am proud to say I adore the prequels

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The craziest thing about the TLJ debacle is that if Lucasfilm announced that they're de-canonizing TLJ and that Abrams' Black Diamond is actually the real Episode VIII, 99% of the internet would like, positively comment and share said announcement on their respective social media platforms. Basically everyone would approve.

It'd be both hilarious and fascinating.
 
I’m glad you're here to tell us these things. Khev, take the Professor in back and plug him into Adolfo’s hyper keyboard!

Oh and welcome back Snikt lol
 
People are hard coded to hate anything Disney does with Star Wars...

Many people came to hate what GL did with the PT.

But the genetic reaction to anything DIS does seems more visceral than anything GL did....maybe he gets a pass for being the creator.

To me , Walt Disney company might be the best entertainment company in history. Just look at the overall track record. They have continually appealed to the greater audience with stories that had true substance and really touched the heart.

Unfortunately , there are people who will always consider DIS a sugar coated Kids fairy tale company that only makes princess drones out of boys and girls....

It’s never been that way, but many people see it that way.

I am enjoying all the new films and the new directions they are trying.

It does not matter if a single actor likes it or not. If Hamill is really so against it he could refuse to do any further films and return the huge checks he is getting.

I think it’s hard for people to accept that ....people are enjoying the new films, and you childhood hero really didn’t care one way or the other in the end.....the check in his bank account is all that really matters.


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Not sure what you mean by this anti-Disney thing coloring views of TLJ. I loved Alice in Wonderland, really like a number of MCU movies and even enjoyed a few of their Princess movies like Frozen.

While I despise what Disney has done as a company by stealing from theater owners with their 65% shakedown over TLJ, and with their purchase of Fox have increasing power over (already diminished) film critics, and get what people mean by "Disney-ifying" of something - but nothing about what I felt about TLJ had to do with any negative view of Disney both as company and ideology.

In terms of the SJW thing - that's just a social trend right at the moment (driven by the thought behind #oscarssowhite, #blacklivesmatter, #metoo, etc) so you can't blame LFL or Disney for jumping on that bandwagon. Movies have long embraced what is hot at that moment to make their product seem more relevant, and SW has certainly been both derided and applauded in terms of inclusion and representation in the past, so it's not like the two things exist in separate spaces.

Going strong and growing its fan base along the way. More and more are coming to appreciate this little movie.

Yup - I'm buying RO on Blu Ray soon. Never thought that would happen. I'm now in the "OT is SW... and movies set inside the OT" camp. TLJ ended the ST for me.

People didn't hate the prequels as much as people now make it out to be, they were pretty well reviewed and made a ton of money, sure it wasn't as great as people wanted but it's only been in more recent years that things have largely turned super negative about them, mostly because people who didn't like them are very loud about it.

Adjusted for inflation, all of the prequels made more than a billion worldwide, and remarkably, all had quite high multipliers, meaning higher than normal repeat business. I really didn't care for any of them (parts of ROTS I consider watchable) and saw each only once but the numbers alone suggest more "liking" going on than the flat rejection you'd expect. I like to think fans kept seeing them over and over expecting them to improve.:lol

I honestly can't say the confusion and revulsion I felt after TLJ came close to the stunned, stumbling vertigo I felt after TPM. Well after midnight outside Mann's Chinese, my friends' mouths moving and me not hearing them, people dressed as Maul and Padme all around me - it was like Dante's Inferno. It was the kick-off to the post-OT world of SW:lol
 
Yup - I'm buying RO on Blu Ray soon. Never thought that would happen. I'm now in the "OT is SW... and movies set inside the OT" camp. TLJ ended the ST for me.

TaliBane in 2019:

Yup - I'm buying TLJ on Blu Ray soon. Never thought that would happen. I'm now in the "Khev knows SW... whatever he condones is automatically canon" camp. SNIKT ended me chasing after other people's fan-fiction.

I mean we know it's coming right? ;)
 
Some insight into the devastated look on Mark Hamill's face after TLJ premier.

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Mmm... smoking gun this is.

TLJ deserves to win every Razzie it can be Nominated for.

Interested to see how the Razzies adapt to the SJW/man-bun reality. This one will be interesting, because TLJ certainly has more than enough cheese and unintentional snickers to at least be considered. But would they have the cajones to nominate Tran/Rose - or would people turn on the Razzie committee as "out of touch old white guys mocking people of color and inclusion" if they did? Or to put TLJ up for worst picture with its "diverse" cast and strong showing for women?

While a lot of stars have had fun with their Razzie noms over the years, if there's one thing that has died in the SJW world... it's humor.
 
The Razzies are relevant now because TLJ.
I guess that's the natural progression from RottenTomatoes user scores. :lol

Surely Disney could afford the Razzies...
 
Lol yeah mate, that Zach dude must have some friends up in here. After baiting me for a week (without consequence) I gave him a piece of my mind and got a nice month off.

I've appropriately added him to my list of untouchables.

this sounds like a conspiracy theory son, :lol
 
TaliBane in 2019:



I mean we know it's coming right? ;)

:rotfl

My admiration for Khev grows daily. He's like what I was in the schoolyard during the OT era - kicking *ss and taking names of any SW detractor, or more commonly those poor souls who just got it wrong.

I even went toe-to-toe with GL buddy Walter Murch's son when I was staying in Marin County in 1980, and I hadn't even seen the as-yet-unreleased ESB at that point and he had (and had unreleased Kenner SW toys direct from "Uncle George" that blew my mind).:lol


The Razzie nominations are already out. Nothing for TLJ.

Boom.
 
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