Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[jye4ever]

I was just thinking of Plaque as well lol

 

[Prime Clone]

If that early leaked line from Snoke is correct, Plagueis could be a fair bet.

Spoiler

"What father doesn't see his own creation?"

 

[SNIKT1950]

Are they still going on about the music cue to justify Plagueius?


Maybe Snoke is an actual 'Sith"... (note: term gets reinvented to mean an actual being, not a pupil of a belief e system). Maybe there are beings called Sith that started this whole Sith thing and Snoke is from a long-thought-dead line.

Point is: I think he will be a new take on Evil (or Sith in Star Wars lore)

Its more than the music.

A) Kylo's throwaway line "The Supreme Leader is Wise." I mean, why say that? Why use "Wise"?

B) They threw Luceno's novel out of the canon. They kept Tarkin, they kept Lords of The Sith but they dumped Plagueis. That's odd, no?

C) The Chosen One's mission was to destroy the Sith. He did (in VI) so HTF is The Sith back? Well, there's only one Sith who could cheat death.

 

[Wor-Gar]

lol



I'm equating Plaqueis with ancient Sith.....

Or you mean really really ancient lol

Yes, way more ancient. Maybe beyond Sith... or the Dark Force that started the Sith.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Yes, way more ancient. Maybe beyond Sith... or the Dark Force that started the Sith.

The working titled for TFA was The Ancient Fear.

But the thing is we don't know much about Plagueis. He might be ancient too.

All the canon from the books about Plagueis has been [conveniently] thrown out. All we know is he had the power to cheat death and could at will, create life.

 

[Wor-Gar]

At the time Palpatine said that, maybe its true... but look how many people started coming back as force ghosts and stuff after. Why do you think "only one" can cheat death?

Its more than the music.

A) Kylo's throwaway line "The Supreme Leader is Wise." I mean, why say that? Why use "Wise"?

B) They threw Luceno's novel out of the canon. They kept Tarkin, they kept Lords of The Sith but they dumped Plagueis. That's odd, no?

C) The Chosen One's mission was to destroy the Sith. He did (in VI) so HTF is The Sith back? Well, there's only one Sith who could cheat death.

A) throwaway line like you said.

B) to me, throwing out Plagueis would indicate they don't want to use him.

C) to me, I would say it is something more ancient than the Sith. Something darker. Perhaps what the Sith is based on.


You can steer these things anyway you want. I know I'm not going to convince you because I have no perfect theory... I'm just open to something new.

 

[SNIKT1950]

B) to me, throwing out Plagueis would indicate they don't want to use him.

I think it'd be the opposite. If they didn't care about him in the movies they'd let him roam free in the canon (comics, novels, cartoon, etc). The fact that they went out of their way to clear him of all existing canon besides what was said about him in ROTS suggests they intend to do something with him in these new films.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I think it'd be the opposite. If they didn't care about him in the movies they'd let him roam free in the canon (comics, novels, cartoon, etc). The fact that they went out of their way to clear him of all existing canon besides what was said about him in ROTS suggests they intend to do something with him in these new films.

Could be. Or not. Who knows. Disney got rid of a ton of characters and backstories in the Great Purge of SW Canon.

We'll find out soon or have to wait another two years.

 

[Sachiel]

I think it'd be the opposite. If they didn't care about him in the movies they'd let him roam free in the canon (comics, novels, cartoon, etc). The fact that they went out of their way to clear him of all existing canon besides what was said about him in ROTS suggests they intend to do something with him in these new films.

Seems to me they have other plans for this character.

 

[jye4ever]

Just give me a non sissy looking Sith baddie.

Kylo should go hang out with Danny Rand.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Seems to me they have other plans for this character.

Or the Plagueis backstory will trample on Disney's new character backstory, so they tossed it to start over.

 

[Prime Clone]

Maybe Snoke is Plagueis *and* ancient. Maybe Palps wasn't his apprentice but told Anakin the legend just to ensnare him, not knowing if it was true or not.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Maybe Snoke is Plagueis *and* ancient. Maybe Palps wasn't his apprentice but told Anakin the legend just to ensnare him, not knowing if it was true or not.

Being Palps' master doesn't mean he's not Ancient. This thing knew how to raise itself from the dead so its gotta be old. Maybe a thousand years old. When the Jedi said the Sith had been extinct for a millenia Snoke/Plagueis and his Knights may be what they referred to.

*I still believe that Snoke/Plagueis's master is the real villain of this series. I think Snoke/Plagueis' plan is to raise a Dark-Sider from thousands of years ago which is the "Ren" figure Snoke and the Knights worship. An entity which is the actual embodiment of the Dark Side.

 

[Prime Clone]

An entity which is the actual embodiment of the Dark Side.

i.e. a Sith vergence?

 

[SNIKT1950]

i.e. a Sith vergence?

Something the Jedi defeated and locked away but is now set to re-emerge via Snoke and the Knights.

Maybe Palpatine was supposed to be helping Snoke/Plagueis with this but realized if he helped bring this thing back he'd never be #1 so he killed his master instead and basically delayed the plan 30 years.

 

[Prime Clone]

Interesting theory...

 

[Wor-Gar]

Being Palps' master doesn't mean he's not Ancient. This thing knew how to raise itself from the dead so its gotta be old. Maybe a thousand years old. When the Jedi said the Sith had been extinct for a millenia Snoke/Plagueis and his Knights may be what they referred to.

*I still believe that Snoke/Plagueis's master is the real villain of this series. I think Snoke/Plagueis' plan is to raise a Dark-Sider from thousands of years ago which is the "Ren" figure Snoke and the Knights worship. An entity which is the actual embodiment of the Dark Side.

Well there's what I said right there, just subtract your Plagueis from the equation.

... a Dark-Sider from thousands of years ago which is the "Ren" figure Snoke and the Knights worship. An entity which is the actual embodiment of the Dark Side.

There, that's better.

I think that sounds interesting, but the Plagueis backstory just muddles it up and makes it too complicated for Disney.

 

[SNIKT1950]

The Plagueis backstory just muddles it up and makes it too complicated for Disney.

Lol it really doesn't. Makes it tighter actually, more congealed. When the audience learns that Palps' master - who claimed to have the power to cheat death - literally raised himself from the dead, they won't be confused but rather frightened.

The muddling and complication comes from Snoke being a random Dark-Sider who was present during the OT and looks like a corpse - yet remains undetected by Palps, Yoda and Vader.

 

[karamazov80]

Snoke is really Yoda.

 

[jye4ever]

I think Snikt won this one, wait until he finds out that Feige came up with that story.