Stupid Questions

[Blackthornone]

This member's blaming of the victim is a disgrace.

Actually I blamed the victim's parents for their inadequate parenting. lack of guidance and lack of supervision led to this sad thing.

 

[thenammagazine]

People are not as vulnerable online as they are in person, which is the reason why the laws should be different between online and reality.
I do pay for my internet, and someone pays for internet cafes and library access.

Do you live in Russia?

 

[Lejuan]

Do you live in Russia?

He wouldn't last 5 minutes in Russia

 

[Lejuan]

Actually I blamed the victim's parents for their inadequate parenting. lack of guidance and lack of supervision led to this sad thing.

The fact that this member believes that the parents of a girl who has hanged herself in these circumstances are not themselves victims is a disgrace.

 

[Blackthornone]

Let's talk about an invalid argument, yours.

Public - pub·lic [puhb-lik] adjective

1. of, pertaining to, or affecting a population or a community as a whole: public funds; a public nuisance.
2. done, made, acting, etc., for the community as a whole: public prosecution.
3. open to all persons: a public meeting.
4. of, pertaining to, or being in the service of a community or nation, especially as a government officer: a public official.
5. maintained at the public expense and under public control: a public library; a public road.

The definition states nothing about open air or being outside. Before you start more ignorant trolling, do yourself a favor and at least look up the word you're trolling about. It'll save you from looking like an incompetent fool time and again.

1: it didn't apply to the public as a whole, only to one person. It was placed in specific locations on the internet where that targeted person would see it. Not public. That sounds more private than public. I never saw it. Lots of people never did.

2:That act was not done for the community as a whole. The internet is available to everyone who can get access to a computer with access. Some people don't have access. Some people NEVER access it, but they DO walk outside, in public.
3: again, meant for one in that case I think, and again, not everyone uses a computer. Perhaps you assume everyone does. I suppose if EVERYONE used a computer and a certain piece of information was posted EVERYWHERE, on every page people looked at online, then I could agree that the internet is in public. However, this is not the case.

As to 4 and 5, the internet simply is not that necessary to be in those categories. The internet is an electronic distraction from life.

 

[Blackthornone]

The fact that this member believes that the parents of a girl who has hanged herself in these circumstances are not themselves victims is a disgrace.

Where were they when she was chatting with this woman posing as a boy? Why did they not teach her to use good judgment when using the computer? That is what led to this. With a girl like this, if it wasn't this woman pretending to be a boy, it would have been something else that did her in or caused major problems in her life due to bad judgment due to inadequate parenting.

By the way, I am curious as to what went on concerning what outraged to mother that led her to impersonate a boy.

Believing someone on the internet is who they say they are without proof? How stupid can you be? Perhaps this girl needed EXTRA supervision from her parents because of her mental shortcomings.
Once again, her parents are to blame.

 

[Lejuan]

To paraphrase Lord Melbourne, I wish I was as cocksure of anything as this fool is of everything

 

[Blackthornone]

To paraphrase Lord Melbourne, I wish I was as cocksure of anything as this fool is of everything

This coming from a drug addict. Your judgment or right and wrong is woefully poor, because if it wasn't, you would never have touched the stuff. You shouldn't say things like "this fool".

 

[thenammagazine]

1: it didn't apply to the public as a whole, only to one person. It was placed in specific locations on the internet where that targeted person would see it. Not public. That sounds more private than public. I never saw it. Lots of people never did.

2:That act was not done for the community as a whole. The internet is available to everyone who can get access to a computer with access. Some people don't have access. Some people NEVER access it, but they DO walk outside, in public.
3: again, meant for one in that case I think, and again, not everyone uses a computer. Perhaps you assume everyone does. I suppose if EVERYONE used a computer and a certain piece of information was posted EVERYWHERE, on every page people looked at online, then I could agree that the internet is in public. However, this is not the case.

As to 4 and 5, the internet simply is not that necessary to be in those categories. The internet is an electronic distraction from life.

The internet, blackthorne, the internet. There is absolutely nothing in the definition of "public" that would exclude the internet from being considered as such. Stop trying to change the argument. You're so ****ing full of fail here, that it's seeping out your ass.

 

[Lejuan]

This coming from a drug addict. Your judgment or right and wrong is woefully poor, because if it wasn't, you would never have touched the stuff. You shouldn't say things like "this fool".

And yet for all this member's purity of diet and self proclaimed moral fortitude, he still manages to emerge, in middle life, of lesser intellect than a drug user. This twit berates victims of tragedy in their absence for their stupidity, and yet, called out as the fool he undoubtedly is, takes others to task for their use of a perjorative. Dogma - the fool's substitute for rational thought.

 

[Blackthornone]

And yet for all this member's purity of diet and self proclaimed moral fortitude, he still manages to emerge, in middle life, of lesser intellect than a drug user. This twit berates victims of tragedy in their absence for their stupidity, and yet, called out as the fool he undoubtedly is, takes others to task for their use of a perjorative. Dogma - the fool's substitute for rational thought.

If the internet was no different than the real world, then this woman would not have been able to deceive this girl into believing she was a boy.
The internet is not the real world.
The fundamental problem in this case is that the girl was too gullible. I say her parents allowed her to grow up too gullible. Yes, it's a problem. It's why she's dead.

 

[Darth Cruel]

Devil, 'Nam, and LeJuan...seriously?

You guys are plenty intelligent enough to be able to spot a troll when one is being this over-the-top absurd.


(OK Blackthorneone...I gave you an "out"...take it.)

 

[Blackthornone]

Devil, 'Nam, and LeJuan...seriously?

You guys are plenty intelligent enough to be able to spot a troll when one is being this over-the-top absurd.


(OK Blackthorneone...I gave you an "out"...take it.)

There is nothing absurd about advocating self mastery, self control and discernment. There is also nothing wrong with responsible parenting. None of my friends would have ever fallen victim to such a plot by that woman.

As far as I'm concerned, anything bad that happens to a child on the internet, or as a result from using same, be it this, or becoming lured by a sexual predator is the fault of the parents for not watching and guiding their children diligently enough. There is no substitute for proper parental supervision, and to blame anyone other than the parents is to advocate, tolerate or excuse parental irresponsibility.

The lion will always be a lion and will do what lions do. If you don't want your children to be mauled by lions, teach them not to go into the lions cage. Of course, maybe you could hold the lion legally responsible and charge it with murder. It makes about as much sense in keeping children safe as just blaming the people who try to hurt children, and not their irresponsible parents. Yeah.

Parental irresponsibility is totally unacceptable in my opinion, and people need to know and understand the real consequences of this, such as this case, or peoples children meeting up with sexual predators.
Too many people deny that this is the real consequence or act like parents shouldn't be the ones responsible because it is too difficult for them. If that is the case, they need to keep their children away from the internet entirely.

The core of my argument is the paramount importance of proper parenting, and frankly, there is too much reliance on the government, the legal system, or the school system to pick up the slack of bad parenting. Parents need to do their jobs right, and anyone who can't handle the job under whatever conditions there happen to be, shouldn't have children, period. You can't stop bad people from attempting to to bad things to your children, but you can teach your children to be wise enough not to fall victim to what these people do.

So you make laws saying it's illegal to do what this woman did. Great. That doesn't fix the fact that this child is dead, nor will it probably prevent it in the future... but it will be illegal. Wonderful.
Children still will get hurt because they are gullible, and yet that's ok, so long as the people who do what this woman did are held responsible after the fact. Yeah, that will fix things.

Prevention>> legal accountability.

Saying the woman is totally responsible and the parents not is emphasizing the importance of closing the barn door after the horses have gone out.

 

[BB&WSF]

 

[thenammagazine]

There is nothing absurd about advocating self mastery, self control and discernment. There is also nothing wrong with responsible parenting. None of my friends would have ever fallen victim to such a plot by that woman.

As far as I'm concerned, anything bad that happens to a child on the internet, or as a result from using same, be it this, or becoming lured by a sexual predator is the fault of the parents for not watching and guiding their children diligently enough. There is no substitute for proper parental supervision, and to blame anyone other than the parents is to advocate, tolerate or excuse parental irresponsibility.

The lion will always be a lion and will do what lions do. If you don't want your children to be mauled by lions, teach them not to go into the lions cage. Of course, maybe you could hold the lion legally responsible and charge it with murder. It makes about as much sense in keeping children safe as just blaming the people who try to hurt children, and not their irresponsible parents. Yeah.

Parental irresponsibility is totally unacceptable in my opinion, and people need to know and understand the real consequences of this, such as this case, or peoples children meeting up with sexual predators.
Too many people deny that this is the real consequence or act like parents shouldn't be the ones responsible because it is too difficult for them. If that is the case, they need to keep their children away from the internet entirely.

The core of my argument is the paramount importance of proper parenting, and frankly, there is too much reliance on the government, the legal system, or the school system to pick up the slack of bad parenting. Parents need to do their jobs right, and anyone who can't handle the job under whatever conditions there happen to be, shouldn't have children, period. You can't stop bad people from attempting to to bad things to your children, but you can teach your children to be wise enough not to fall victim to what these people do.

So you make laws saying it's illegal to do what this woman did. Great. That doesn't fix the fact that this child is dead, nor will it probably prevent it in the future... but it will be illegal. Wonderful.
Children still will get hurt because they are gullible, and yet that's ok, so long as the people who do what this woman did are held responsible after the fact. Yeah, that will fix things.

Prevention>> legal accountability.

Saying the woman is totally responsible and the parents not is emphasizing the importance of closing the barn door after the horses have gone out.

What about making an example out of the poor excuse for a mother and her daughter whose bullying led to the child's death? That's like someone breaking a window and entering into your house, stealing all your toys out of your mom's basement and me blaming you for having glass windows. Are you seriously this ignorant?

 

[Blackthornone]

What about making an example out of the poor excuse for a mother and her daughter whose bullying led to the child's death? That's like someone breaking a window and entering into your house, stealing all your toys out of your mom's basement and me blaming you for having glass windows. Are you seriously this ignorant?

No, it's like blaming someone for inviting people they don't know into their home and thus giving them opportunity to steal the toys out of the basement.

By not being selective enough about what people they associate with online, they invite them into their lives and thus make themselves vulnerable to them.
Ever heard of the phrase, : "Don't talk to strangers?" It's extremely fundamental advice for children.

 

[thenammagazine]

No, it's like blaming someone for inviting people they don't know into their home and thus giving them opportunity to steal the toys out of the basement.

By not being selective enough about what people they associate with online, they invite them into their lives and thus make themselves vulnerable to them.
Ever heard of the phrase, : "Don't talk to strangers?" It's extremely fundamental advice for children.

If I call you or send you an email, how is that "inviting?" You seem to have a hard time understanding that it's not. Just like your failed grasp of the definition of the word public, which you were also wrong about.

 

[Blackthornone]

If I call you or send you an email, how is that "inviting?" You seem to have a hard time understanding that it's not. Just like your failed grasp of the definition of the word public, which you were also wrong about.

Those are two examples of reaching out for attention or a response. If nothing else, it invites are response of some kind. How someone responds
is up to them. When this girl went online and decided to accept conversation with this woman, that was her choice. When she allowed herself to become attached to this conversation, that was also her choice. Her parents should have told her to be careful how she talking to people online and about who she talks to. To not do so is irresponsible.
As far as I'm concerned, there are dangers around every corner. There is no practical way to prevent people from trying to do bad things to other people. The only reliable way of keeping people safe is to not allow people you want to protect from going into dangerous situations where other people have the OPPORTUNITY to do bad things to them.

Prevent bad people from having opportunity and thus you avoid danger. Awareness is an essential part of martial arts.

 

[thenammagazine]

Those are two examples of reaching out for attention or a response. If nothing else, it invites are response of some kind. How someone responds
is up to them. When this girl went online and decided to accept conversation with this woman, that was her choice. When she allowed herself to become attached to this conversation, that was also her choice. Her parents should have told her to be careful how she talking to people online and about who she talks to. To not do so is irresponsible.
As far as I'm concerned, there are dangers around every corner. There is no practical way to prevent people from trying to do bad things to other people. The only reliable way of keeping people safe is to not allow people you want to protect from going into dangerous situations where other people have the OPPORTUNITY to do bad things to them.

Prevent bad people from having opportunity and thus you avoid danger. Awareness is an essential part of martial arts.

 

[Lejuan]

Devil, 'Nam, and LeJuan...seriously?

You guys are plenty intelligent enough to be able to spot a troll when one is being this over-the-top absurd.


(OK Blackthorneone...I gave you an "out"...take it.)

What is the normal person's over-the-top absurd is business as usual for some of the nongs that inhabit this place