terminator time line question....

Predatortje · May 13, 2009

They changed the future after T2, T1 was always going to happen like this otherwise there wasn't any future with a grown up John connor.
They delayed the Terminator program in T2 and i believe even in T3 they changed a bit of the future we now will see in T4.
I've read the prequel movie comic books about T4 and Kyle is number 1 on the killing/hunting down list of Skynet. John Connor is 2nd.

and in the trailers John says '' this is not the future my mother warned me about '' so bye destroying mike dyson's work in T2 and escaping to the VIP ROOM in T3 they changed the future, they delayed Skynet from taking over control, so by Delaying the Take over, the computers hardware etc. got more and more advanced, you can see that with those terminator bikes

PapitoMX · May 13, 2009

Here is my question, who originally was John Connor's father before Kyle Reese was sent back and decided to knock up Sarah? Kyle obviously couldn't be the original father since he was from the future. And if time travel was possible, would anyone really remember what was altered in the past???

Devil_666 · May 13, 2009

calvarenga said:
Here is my question, who originally was John Connor's father before Kyle Reese was sent back and decided to knock up Sarah? Kyle obviously couldn't be the original father since he was from the future. And if time travel was possible, would anyone really remember what was altered in the past???

That's the paradox.

Voorhees27 · May 13, 2009

calvarenga said:
Here is my question, who originally was John Connor's father before Kyle Reese was sent back and decided to knock up Sarah? Kyle obviously couldn't be the original father since he was from the future. And if time travel was possible, would anyone really remember what was altered in the past???

a-dev · May 13, 2009

laudanum09 said:
This is all really crazy though, but I find it fun to think about rather then maddening. For instance, the whole question of Kyle Reese in future (a). Who the hell is John Connor's father if Kyle Reese hasn't been sent back in time yet (from the perspective of future a, lets say before they even send him back)?? I suppose the future Reese, the one who does get sent back in time. But what if Reese goes back in time to see himself before he gets sent back in time, tells him to go back in time to create John with Sarah while he himself stays there in that version's place. Then he would be John's father and not John's father at the same time. fun!

I subscribe to the idea that in this particular case we have a time travel event that always happened. There never was a circumstance in which 1984 came along and Kyle Reese did not appear. Thus no one else was ever going to be John's father and if someone else was then John wouldn't be John, he'd be a different individual altogether. Kyle reese's existance isn't preconditioned by John's existance. Thus the only things that could break the circle, this 2029/1984 interface, would be the death of Reese prior to him travelling through time, the death of an ancestor of his or indeed if time travel technology itself is never developed.

So thats a predestination paradox I believe. However, I bet this idea is contradicted by something else if you think long enough about it.

laudanum09 · May 14, 2009

a-dev said:
I subscribe to the idea that in this particular case we have a time travel event that always happened. There never was a circumstance in which 1984 came along and Kyle Reese did not appear. Thus no one else was ever going to be John's father and if someone else was then John wouldn't be John, he'd be a different individual altogether. Kyle reese's existance isn't preconditioned by John's existance. Thus the only things that could break the circle, this 2029/1984 interface, would be the death of Reese prior to him travelling through time, the death of an ancestor of his or indeed if time travel technology itself is never developed.

So thats a predestination paradox I believe. However, I bet this idea is contradicted by something else if you think long enough about it.

Yeah, as far as settling on a basic interpretation of the film (I was just having time paradox fun heh) I like this. If you can travel back and forth in time, then presumably there's a future Reese that has already went back and given birth to the John that sends Reese back.

Dunno if you've read the invisibles but when they look at time from a different dimension everyone looks like snakes with the past trailing behind them and the future trailing in front. Reese would probably look like a Pretzel or something.