The Batman (June 25, 2021)

[ZE_501]

Could be worse just look at that atrocity from the Gotham tv show lol.

I had to look that up.

I can't even pretend to know why anyone in the art department or costuming thought that design was remotely serviceable.

 

[matticus]

Certainly feeling like a Year One Batman. Odd combo with the leather cowl, collar and then plates of armor.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I think I've officially become an old man, or a Wor-Gar. I'm no longer as open minded and welcoming as I used to be and prefer the "old" stuff over anything new. I feel no hype and have very little interest in this film. I just see this as the latest Batman, until it runs its course and we get another one.

Hopefully the villains in this film change how I feel.

 

[ironwez20]

I think I've officially become old man, or a Wor-Gar. I'm no longer as open minded and welcoming as I used to be and prefer the "old" stuff over anything new. I feel no hype and have very little interest in this film. I just see this as the latest Batman, until it runs its course and we get another one.

Hopefully the villains in this film change how I feel.

Getting old. It?s ok let it take you

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Getting old. It?s ok let it take you

 

[Victοr]

I think I've officially become an old man, or a Wor-Gar. I'm no longer as open minded and welcoming as I used to be and prefer the "old" stuff over anything new. I feel no hype and have very little interest in this film. I just see this as the latest Batman, until it runs its course and we get another one.

Hopefully the villains in this film change how I feel.

OLD GOOD
NEW BAD

Spoiler

It's pretty much right 90% of the time though. It's not even about time periods, it's just who does it first, or at least best. And most of the time it's the first who does it best. Creativity, especially after the 2010s is pretty much dead and buried.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Objectivity and nostalgia are in a constant state of battle. Then again, it's difficult to be fresh or creative when there's so much previous content. How many times can you revisit a character and or the same origin before it becomes predictable? There's always a new generation that is experiencing it for the first time, so I guess it serves a purpose, but damn, I don't look forward to watching Bruce Wayne mourn the death of his parents again, watching them get shot in an alley again, Bruce meeting a woman and struggling with his secret identity, or have a love hate relationship with Catwoman...again.

Yeah, the new suit might be cool, and I'm curious what he's going to sound like, or what he'll be driving, and what the new theme will sound like too, but it's no different than getting the latest I Phone, same old thing, with some minor upgrades or variations. Maybe I'm just burned out on the Batman character. Joker was kind of refreshing in that most of the film was about some random guy named Arthur, even if the film still rehashed a few storylines from the comics and copied other films.

Maybe this film will surprise me in a positive way. I might event be interested in the merchandise too, since that's always part of the fun of having a new Batman film.

 

[Victοr]

It's not even about Batman or well established franchises. It's about IPs and ideas in general. Just try and think of how many new characters, concepts, franchises, etc, were created in the last 20 years and how many of them were actually worth a damn. There's Halo, which 343 run into the ground. There's PotC, which Disney run into the ground. There's Mass Effect, which Bioware run into the ground. There's Hellboy (created in the 90s, but you get my point), which Mignola run into the ground (not on the level of the previously mentioned franchises but still). Jak & Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper; all dead. Uncharted is an example of keeping up its quality, and froom animated shows the Venture Bros. You get where I'm going with this. New ideas are hard to come by, yes, but if you care enough you can craft something good even if pre-existing IPs follow the same beats. The problem is that these days nobody cares. They put out **** and the consooooomers consooooom because that's all they can do. Fill their days with meaningless ********, move on to the next and pretend that it's alright. How do you think Netflix still keeps making all their trash?

The reason why the older stuff are generally better than the newer stuff is because either they were there first and already covered all the bases of a concept, or because they were crafted with love. The first Halo Trilogy, alongside the spin-offs, the toys, the comics, it had soul. The new ones are nothing but cashgrabs. The early Ultimate Marvel was an experiment that managed to capture the zeitgeist, but as time went one it devolved into a horrifying mess. WildStorm was more or less the same. And the problem is that ultimately, it's all a business. Something starts off as small, and niche. It has a specific flair and appeals to a certain demographic. But then it gets more attention. And more. And suddenly the creators want to make more dough, so they forego the things that made the property special, and try to make it as inclusive to as many demographics as possible, so that more people will get into it and buy it. And thus they fall backwards to appease the newcomers who cannot, or won't, dwelve into the "esoteric" nature of the property. And so it gets dumbed down. And slowly it changes. And ultimately it transforms into something unrecognizable. The old fans, the actual ones, have moved on, they have been kicked out. The newcomers? They've already moved on to the next shiny new thing. And the property? Only its battered and mangled corpse remains.

 

[jye4ever]

Objectivity and nostalgia are in a constant state of battle. Then again, it's difficult to be fresh or creative when there's so much previous content. How many times can you revisit a character and or the same origin before it becomes predictable? There's always a new generation that is experiencing it for the first time, so I guess it serves a purpose, but damn, I don't look forward to watching Bruce Wayne mourn the death of his parents again, watching them get shot in an alley again, Bruce meeting a woman and struggling with his secret identity, or have a love hate relationship with Catwoman...again.

Yeah, the new suit might be cool, and I'm curious what he's going to sound like, or what he'll be driving, and what the new theme will sound like too, but it's no different than getting the latest I Phone, same old thing, with some minor upgrades or variations. Maybe I'm just burned out on the Batman character. Joker was kind of refreshing in that most of the film was about some random guy named Arthur, even if the film still rehashed a few storylines from the comics and copied other films.

Maybe this film will surprise me in a positive way. I might event be interested in the merchandise too, since that's always part of the fun of having a new Batman film.

What you are feeling is normal it is called having one foot in the grave.

 

[moose]

I am not really sure why the opted for this rebooted batman when they could have kept this story with Affleck.

This looks to be another attempt at a grounded Nolan verse which has been done before so what new can they add to it. Being set in this t yuh period of world means you can get the more scfi villains in batman's rouge gallery no poison ivy no clayface no man bat, so we are stuck reusing the same type of villains that have been used before.

I suit cowl which is the main part that is visable looks like daredevil a netflicks show


Who in the hell at WB approved this.

The whole DC movie line up is so disjointed their is no cohesiveness to it just a bunch of random movies. It's not building to anything but 3 part movie. They could stretch their characters if they had move inter connectivity.


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[jye4ever]

WB is all over the place they are throwing everything at the wall.

What’s more important for me is not the costume reveal it is the city environment reveal that will really give us a clue with the direction they are heading in.

Costume reveal is cool and all and will always be the first thing shown but the environment that these characters inhabit will give us the tone and feel of the story.

 

[Wh1tE_Dw4rF]

By unpopular opinion; having Batman wear a spandex suit will in my eyes make it look cringy AF, just like that one silly TV show from back in the 60's. I just can't ever take an incarnation of Batman seriously if they go that route. This Batman looks just fine, albeit a little tweak on the cowl.

 

[Otomofan]

I remember the first time I saw the Keaton batsuit. I thought it looked simultaneously cool, and ridiculous. I was like....."oh my god are those his muscles?? Why is it all black?? What's going on??" But I knew I HAD to see this movie.

I was in 5th grade...hadn't seen a trailer yet...just this picture. BLEW MY MIND.

It was in a newsweek article....wanna see?

 

[Otomofan]

And those of us around at the time remember the massive vocal backlash against Keaton from comics fans. "Mr Mom??? As Batman??"

But I remember this article and the trailer changing people's tunes really quickly.

Ahhh....the summer of 89. Good times.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

It's not even about Batman or well established franchises. It's about IPs and ideas in general. Just try and think of how many new characters, concepts, franchises, etc, were created in the last 20 years and how many of them were actually worth a damn. There's Halo, which 343 run into the ground. There's PotC, which Disney run into the ground. There's Mass Effect, which Bioware run into the ground. There's Hellboy (created in the 90s, but you get my point), which Mignola run into the ground (not on the level of the previously mentioned franchises but still). Jak & Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper; all dead. Uncharted is an example of keeping up its quality, and froom animated shows the Venture Bros. You get where I'm going with this. New ideas are hard to come by, yes, but if you care enough you can craft something good even if pre-existing IPs follow the same beats. The problem is that these days nobody cares. They put out **** and the consooooomers consooooom because that's all they can do. Fill their days with meaningless ********, move on to the next and pretend that it's alright. How do you think Netflix still keeps making all their trash?

The reason why the older stuff are generally better than the newer stuff is because either they were there first and already covered all the bases of a concept, or because they were crafted with love. The first Halo Trilogy, alongside the spin-offs, the toys, the comics, it had soul. The new ones are nothing but cashgrabs. The early Ultimate Marvel was an experiment that managed to capture the zeitgeist, but as time went one it devolved into a horrifying mess. WildStorm was more or less the same. And the problem is that ultimately, it's all a business. Something starts off as small, and niche. It has a specific flair and appeals to a certain demographic. But then it gets more attention. And more. And suddenly the creators want to make more dough, so they forego the things that made the property special, and try to make it as inclusive to as many demographics as possible, so that more people will get into it and buy it. And thus they fall backwards to appease the newcomers who cannot, or won't, dwelve into the "esoteric" nature of the property. And so it gets dumbed down. And slowly it changes. And ultimately it transforms into something unrecognizable. The old fans, the actual ones, have moved on, they have been kicked out. The newcomers? They've already moved on to the next shiny new thing. And the property? Only its battered and mangled corpse remains.

I still like certain franchises, like Mortal Kombat, TMNT, Dragon Ball, and many others. Then again, those usually take a break in between iterations, so perhaps that helps. Batman is just an empty cow now, he's even in a TMNT film, which was awesome, but when he's in every medium, genre, and even other franchises, it becomes too much.

What you are feeling is normal it is called having one foot in the grave.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

And those of us around at the time remember the massive vocal backlash against Keaton from comics fans. "Mr Mom??? As Batman??"

But I remember this article and the trailer changing people's tunes really quickly.

Ahhh....the summer of 89. Good times.

I don't remember the backlash, but I was too young to be critical and Batman was relatively new to me at the time. Batman was Adam West and Super Friends reruns, so not much to pick from and compare to at the time or even in subsequent years.

 

[jye4ever]

Oh god the backlash was intense for that pre internet era I was one lol

I was like this little comedian, really he looks wimpy.

Same for Die Hard Bruce Willis look at this guy he is no Arnold or Stallone.

Happy to be proven wrong in both cases.

88-89 for me was all about:

Batman
Broadway Phantom of the Opera seeing MC and SB live.
Making and selling Cannibal Campout lol


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[Khev]

MC and SB?

 

[jye4ever]

Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman


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[Khev]

Never heard of them lol.

Wait he was in Condorman? Why the hell isn't that on Disney+?? I used to love that movie, lol.