The Batman (June 25, 2021)

[Stront]

How do you make Batman groundbreaking? The suit, Gotham and villains are the only variables.

That’s the thing - they are comic book movies. Not sure what is to be expected that would be “groundbreaking”. Wanting comic book movies to be some grand artistic saga is as silly as any other exclamation.

 

[ironwez20]

You tell me. When someone says they’re literally “in tears” after watching a trailer…. Lol maybe I missed something.

I meaaan your a Snyder fan so I guess you wouldn’t be excited. It doesn’t have to be groundbreaking but it looks epic and fits into what Batman is supposed to be. Doesn’t need to be new it just fits the mold of who Batman is. Some of you just like crying for no reason

 

[ZE_501]

but it's like the first time you get laid, you know?

Okay that's too easy.

Keep on consooomin'.

LOL ... if by that you mean give a piece of idle entertainment a shot because it looks fun and atmospheric, sign me up.

These genres have inherent limitations to them, I'd rather enjoy them for what they are and I'm not going to fixate on one line from a trailer and decide something sucks in advance.

 

[ironwez20]

That’s the thing - they are comic book movies. Not sure what is to be expected that would be “groundbreaking”. Wanting comic book movies to be some grand artistic saga is as silly as any other exclamation.

Right? It’s stupid. Just another reason to whine. It’s a Batman movie . This coming a guy who said leto was comic accurate joker lol.

 

[ZE_501]

Yeah I don’t get the hype. Sure it looks good, but it’s nothing “groundbreaking.”

Doesn't need to be. Needs to be fun.

 

[ironwez20]

The Snyder cut wasn’t new or groundbreaking either so I don’t see the issue. Lol

 

[snoop101]

I meaaan your a Snyder fan so I guess you wouldn’t be excited. It doesn’t have to be groundbreaking but it looks epic and fits into what Batman is supposed to be. Doesn’t need to be new it just fits the mold of who Batman is. Some of you just like crying for no reason

“Crying for no reason.” As opposed to crying because of a movie trailer? Lmao. I think this movie looks good, I just wish it looked as good as it apparently does to you guys.

 

[ironwez20]

“Crying for no reason.” As opposed to crying because of a movie trailer? Lmao. I think this movie looks good, I just wish it looked as good as it apparently does to you guys.

I said on the verge of tears not crying smart one. And again cool. But it doesn’t need to be groundbreaking just be a Batman film. Tdk wasn’t groundbreaking the joker was.

 

[ironwez20]

I guess if you haven't seen a movie in the last 35 years this would probably knock your socks off. But it really just looks like "The Dark Knight" with a different cast to me.

Catwoman actually says "We're not so different..."

Here we are well into the 21st century and they're still using this line in movies??



Sure are a lot of guns in the movie too. It's OK to pack kids into theaters to watch people shoot machine guns at a guy and the bullets just harmlessly fall off his magic armor, but you better not sell an action figure with a gun!! What disgusting hypocrites.

I wish i could feel some spark of excitement the way you guys do, but I just can't. I'm so bored. I've seen this exact same movie thousands of times. There's nothing even remotely novel or clever or original about this.

Tim Burton's Batman is/was a huge mess in a lot of ways, but at least at the time the hype and the excitement felt justified cause we'd never seen anything like that before on a movie screen. Sorry to be crass, but it's like the first time you get laid, you know? It's never gonna happen again.

If you guys really can watch this re-tread of old recycled ideas for the 15th time and enjoy it, more power to you. I don't need to see this movie again. I'm just going to keep waiting for something truly original but I'm starting to think that's never gonna happen.

Keep on consooomin'.

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Honestly judging by your post you don’t seem to be excited about life in general . That’s not a way to live.

 

[Victοr]

I'm no fan of the consooomer culture myself, but when it comes to capes, I don't expect much. This might be trite, true, but that holds for pretty much everything that falls under genre fiction these days. Nothing is innovative, we're just retreading the same ground. But there is a difference I think in something "cliche" and something that is "mass produced". The MCU is a mass produced product. All the movies, all the characters, everything feels the same. The jokes, the set-ups, it's all a recycled bunch. This here is something we've seen before, but in a "proper" way. It's a noir crime story where Batman has to go against one of his resident loonies. He beats up thugs and mobsters, broods, solves a mystery and that's more or less it. We've seen it before, of course. The same way we've seen the macho American soldier beat up some aliens or the King in a Tolkien-inspired fantasyland fight against the evil wizard. And these are retreads of older, sometimes ancient works. So when it comes to capeshit, it's less about originallity and more about the execution. Every Batman film will be about him going against a mentally deranged twit in a costume, solve a mystery and go back to his cave to brood. And that holds true for the majority of capes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The difference is to do it properly and with care.

Now, are there more tales to tell? Sure. But they're hardly in the books themselves, so I wouldn't expect them in the movies. In adaptations, as long as I get a good, faithful to the source and exciting adventure for 2 hours, or 40 if it's a game, I won't complain. I'm not reading/watching/playing Batman while expecting Goethe. I do think some capes could be used to tell some truly great stories, the kind that with a bit of work could stand alongside something like the Godfather. But I'll never walk into X-Men and expect it to change my life. All this is just mindless fun. I do have standards, like I said. I don't excuse the MCU's tired later offerings. But I judge all these by a different metric. If I go to watch an FF flick and it's got great visuals, interesting sci-fi ideas and a good cast, what more could I want? Cinema itself will never reach the heights of literature in depth, so why hold a Batman flick to the standards I reserve for a good drama or a threatrical production?

The tone, the characters, the aesthetics, they all seem on point to me, so I'm excited for this. I don't get hyped anymore, but I find enough things to like that I do look forward to the 2-something hours I'll waste on it. And that's it. It's not worth to pour more time and thought on capes.

 

[Stront]

Hey bros, no need to bicker, let’s all just be happy there’s a bunch of decent-to-great quality superhero movies on the horizon! Life is good.

 

[ironwez20]

I'm no fan of the consooomer culture myself, but when it comes to capes, I don't expect much. This might be trite, true, but that holds for pretty much everything that falls under genre fiction these days. Nothing is innovative, we're just retreading the same ground. But there is a difference I think in something "cliche" and something that is "mass produced". The MCU is a mass produced product. All the movies, all the characters, everything feels the same. The jokes, the set-ups, it's all a recycled bunch. This here is something we've seen before, but in a "proper" way. It's a noir crime story where Batman has to go against one of his resident loonies. He beats up thugs and mobsters, broods, solves a mystery and that's more or less it. We've seen it before, of course. The same way we've seen the macho American soldier beat up some aliens or the King in a Tolkien-inspired fantasyland fight against the evil wizard. And these are retreads of older, sometimes ancient works. So when it comes to capeshit, it's less about originallity and more about the execution. Every Batman film will be about him going against a mentally deranged twit in a costume, solve a mystery and go back to his cave to brood. And that holds true for the majority of capes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The difference is to do it properly and with care.

Now, are there more tales to tell? Sure. But they're hardly in the books themselves, so I wouldn't expect them in the movies. In adaptations, as long as I get a good, faithful to the source and exciting adventure for 2 hours, or 40 if it's a game, I won't complain. I'm not reading/watching/playing Batman while expecting Goethe. I do think some capes could be used to tell some truly great stories, the kind that with a bit of work could stand alongside something like the Godfather. But I'll never walk into X-Men and expect it to change my life. All this is just mindless fun. I do have standards, like I said. I don't excuse the MCU's tired later offerings. But I judge all these by a different metric. If I go to watch an FF flick and it's got great visuals, interesting sci-fi ideas and a good cast, what more could I want? Cinema itself will never reach the heights of literature in depth, so why hold a Batman flick to the standards I reserve for a good drama or a threatrical production?

The tone, the characters, the aesthetics, they all seem on point to me, so I'm excited for this. I don't get hyped anymore, but I find enough things to like that I do look forward to the 2-something hours I'll waste into it. And that's it. It's not worth to pour more time and thought on capes.

Yup . I’m just hype cause I’m a Batman fan. It could still suck but the trailer was epic . I understand things are shallow and retreading but it’s ok to put a new spin or add your own flavor as long as it’s not jeopardizing the source material to much

 

[Victοr]

Yup . I’m just hype cause I’m a Batman fan. It could still suck but the trailer was epic . I understand things are shallow and retreading but it’s ok to put a new spin or add your own flavor as long as it’s not jeopardizing the source material to much

That's more or less where I stand. It's a 2-hour flick. If it's entertaining, it's entertaining, period. It's hard to screw up Batman. Some will lean on Gothic more, others on Noir, but more or less we always know what to expect. It may not be original, but I can't think of anything I watched/read/played in recent years that was. So eh, if something I already have a liking to comes along and it's serviceable, I'll take it. I'll kill those 2, 4, 8 hours and that'll be it.

 

[Otomofan]

but the trailer was epic .

"Epic."

That word used to mean something. It was something truly spectacular that was bigger than your field of vision. It was something amazing and indescribable so at a loss for words, you just say it was "Epic."

This trailer is not "epic." This trailer is a cookie-cutter, paint by numbers, formulaic piece of marketing that follows the exact same pattern of every other trailer right down to the action beats and cuts to black and use of pop songs as every other trailer to elicit an emotional response in the viewer, culminating in a climax of action, sound effects, and music for the title reveal, in order to leave your endorphins pumping as if you've just witnessed something really amazing.

There's nothing there. It's simple manipulation and it works like a charm.

Every super hero movie trailer for the last 10 years uses the exact same formula and every time people say "Epic!!!"

 

[ironwez20]

"Epic."

That word used to mean something. It was something truly spectacular that was bigger than your field of vision. It was something amazing and indescribable so at a loss for words, you just say it was "Epic."

This trailer is not "epic." This trailer is a cookie-cutter, paint by numbers, formulaic piece of marketing that follows the exact same pattern of every other trailer right down to the action beats and cuts to black and use of pop songs as every other trailer to elicit an emotional response in the viewer, culminating in a climax of action, sound effects, and music for the title reveal, in order to leave your endorphins pumping as if you've just witnessed something really amazing.

There's nothing there. It's simple manipulation and it works like a charm.

Every super hero movie trailer for the last 10 years uses the exact same formula and every time people say "Epic!!!"

Yikes. You looked way to deep in that when you didn’t need to . Like at all. People have different variations on what they think is epic. I don’t know what to tell you. There is a lot of things that I think suck that people think is epic

 

[Spartan Rex]

You want EPIC?
The warehouse fight in Snyders SvB was beyond epic and showcased the DKs CQB skills far better and more accurately then any other live action movie. He was brutal and smart. He was well cast and had a billionaires arsenal. Commissioner Gordon was also well cast. Id love to see Zach’s take on Penguin and the Riddler.
Snyder did great with Batman…just didn’t like the suit from the neck down.

 

[Otomofan]

No wait, I take it all back.

Catwoman wears a sock on her head. That's her mask.

Now it's epic.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The opening scene of the trailer is my favorite. The question mark in the coffee is a bit much, but I can't wait to see Dano as Riddler.

Another highlight is every Penguin scene. He looks and sounds awesome. The tuxedo look in the club is perfect.

Batman looks good and the last shot with the car and him walking in the rain reminds me of Mad Max. His voice is good too. Very natural, like he's not even trying hard.


Things I didn't care for, Catwoman. But it's nice to see multiple characters in the film since this fil is a set up for the sequel.

Also the fighting choreography doesn't look very impressive. It reminds me of Bale's fighting style.

Everything else looks like it should. I love the constant rain like in Blade Runner. Except, I there's a purpose for the rain in this film.

It's a good trailer. Can't wait to see it.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

"Epic."

That word used to mean something. It was something truly spectacular that was bigger than your field of vision. It was something amazing and indescribable so at a loss for words, you just say it was "Epic."

This trailer is not "epic." This trailer is a cookie-cutter, paint by numbers, formulaic piece of marketing that follows the exact same pattern of every other trailer right down to the action beats and cuts to black and use of pop songs as every other trailer to elicit an emotional response in the viewer, culminating in a climax of action, sound effects, and music for the title reveal, in order to leave your endorphins pumping as if you've just witnessed something really amazing.

There's nothing there. It's simple manipulation and it works like a charm.

Every super hero movie trailer for the last 10 years uses the exact same formula and every time people say "Epic!!!"

nah.

 

[Dave_W]

There's some real ers in here