The Book Of Boba Fett (December 2021)

[ajp4mgs]

He's found something that isn't a cut throat backstabbing world he's known his whole life?

He still doesn't know exactly where on the planet he is so it makes sense to sit tight till he does?

He's still licking his wounds after the humiliation he got from Blind Han Solo.

He's got a plan we haven't seen revealed yet?

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

If his intent is to change his life in order to avoid a cut-throat backstabbing world, I take it you consider going on to murder Bib Fortuna in order to become a *crime boss* as evidence of that?

Doesn't know where on the planet he is? He's been on this planet several times as one of Jabba's go-to bounty hunters. And he was just at Anchorhead, so he had an orientation landmark.

Licking his wounds makes no sense either since, like I said, he lured the mastiff into an opportunity to cut himself *free.* That's where his head was at before deciding he wanted to stay with the Tuskens.

As for a potential plan we haven't seen revealed yet, I'll give you that one. And I hope a coherent plan where the pieces all fit ends up being revealed.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Kebron definitely takes the prize for worst takes ever on Boba Fett, just spouting complete nonsense. But again, Bad Batch avatar so...

 

[Otomofan]

So, for those who are onboard with Fett's characterization and story arc, how are you guys reconciling the fact that he got his hands on a speeder and decided to return to the Tusken village rather than go retrieve Slave I?

Is this supposed to be Fett experiencing Stockholm Syndrome? I'm being totally serious with that question. I saw a guy who broke free from his bindings in the first episode and made a run for it (stupidly). Then he returns to the village with the kid, and I'm thinking maybe he knows he can't get away from them without transport. But then he gets a transport in this second episode... and still goes back. What's the logic/reasoning there?

It's been a few hours since I watched it. But wasn't he already "training" with a gaffi stick at that point?

He had been given water, they were treating him better, teaching them some of their ways.

When he saw what the guys on the train did, it pissed him off. He wanted to settle the score. He's invested now.

It's no different than when Costner gave the tribe all the rifles and they shot the hell out of their rival tribe, and they shot all the buffalo and had a big old Totonka feast.

Watch Dances With Wolves...all the answers are there. Better yet, read the book. I remember enjoying it quite a bit.

 

[Kebron]

Boba Fett wasn't patterned after Eastwood's Blondie because he was meant to be a "great tracker with a keen strategic mind who lures his bounty into a trap instead of engaging in a fight."

Vader wouldn't be saying "no disintegrations" because Boba Fett was known for tracking quarry and strategically luring them into disintegration traps.

Even his aggressive (albeit incredibly annoying) attitude as a kid in AOTC should show you that Jango wasn't raising him to be a Peace Corps volunteer.

All the evidence you need that Boba Fett could handle himself with enough proficiency to be recognized as fearsome and the best in the game is in the movies, even as brief as his total screentime was. If you want to believe he was created and intended to be anything other than a badass, you're certainly free to do so, but I think that would fly in the face of common sense.

If he was patterned after The Man with No name, they didn't show it other them him looking cool and mostly being silent. He even shot like a stormtrooper and missed just about everything. There is no in movie canon that supports your statement.

We don't know why Vader said what he said. Maybe Fett botched a job for him before, maybe have a Rep for disintegrations, point is we don't know. My example could be right, or your claim could be. We don't know.

Plenty of children grow up to be different adults. Even adults grow into new people as they get older. Expecting him to be the same as when he was in AOTC is not very logical.

If all the evidence I need to see he is the ultimate warrior bounty hunter give me a example that shows his prowess as a fighter beyond some lip service. The only thing the movies showed is that he's good at tracking, and he can get beat by a blind man with a stick.

 

[Kebron]

Kebron definitely takes the prize for worst takes ever on Boba Fett, just spouting complete nonsense. But again, Bad Batch avatar so...

Thanks for confirming you are all out of counter points with another ad hominem.

 

[Otomofan]

You are the only bounty hunter I have ever known. I have thought about you a lot. More than you think. And I understand your concern. But I think you are wrong. The bounty hunter the soldiers are looking for no longer exists. Now there is only a Tusken named Dances with Mastiffs.

 

[Asta]

If he was patterned after The Man with No name, they didn't show it other them him looking cool and mostly being silent. He even shot like a stormtrooper and missed just about everything. There is no in movie canon that supports your statement.

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/boba-fett-jeremy-bulloch-mandalorian-template/
“I thought of Boba Fett as Clint Eastwood in a suit of armor,” Bulloch said of his initial approach to the part, according to StarWars.com. Thus, inspired by Eastwood’s Western films—notably the ruthless antihero elements from his 1960s Spaghetti Western trilogy run as “The Man with No Name” for director Sergio Leone—Bulloch was able to project an attitude through Fett that didn’t necessarily reflect what the Empire script demanded. While Fett was simply in the film to be the Imperial-contracted bounty hunter who—after cleverly out-foxing his competitors—successfully tracked the Millennium Falcon to its destination of Bespin, Bulloch’s nuanced physical performance told audiences everything they needed to know about the character through his movements and gestures.

 

[ajp4mgs]

It's been a few hours since I watched it. But wasn't he already "training" with a gaffi stick at that point?

He had been given water, they were treating him better, teaching them some of their ways.

When he saw what the guys on the train did, it pissed him off. He wanted to settle the score. He's invested now.

It's no different than when Costner gave the tribe all the rifles and they shot the hell out of their rival tribe, and they shot all the buffalo and had a big old Totonka feast.

Watch Dances With Wolves...all the answers are there. Better yet, read the book. I remember enjoying it quite a bit.

Even if I accepted that Boba Fett was the type of character inclined to adopt the mindset of Costner's character, wouldn't going to retrieve the Slave I provide a tactical advantage?

Wouldn't he be in any way interested in retrieving his old life while simultaneously helping the Tuskens whom he apparently feels great sympathy for? And isn't the answer automatically "yes" considering he chased Mando across the galaxy to retrieve his armor?

He's still trying to honor his father's legacy according to the Mando episode, so I just find the BoBF mindset... odd.

 

[darth dennis]

So, for those who are onboard with Fett's characterization and story arc, how are you guys reconciling the fact that he got his hands on a speeder and decided to return to the Tusken village rather than go retrieve Slave I?

Is this supposed to be Fett experiencing Stockholm Syndrome? I'm being totally serious with that question. I saw a guy who broke free from his bindings in the first episode and made a run for it (stupidly). Then he returns to the village with the kid, and I'm thinking maybe he knows he can't get away from them without transport. But then he gets a transport in this second episode... and still goes back. What's the logic/reasoning there?

I actually thought about Stockholm Syndrome watching the episode. I have to believe it was considered when writing the arc...

 

[darth dennis]

I can't believe the continued assertions that there's no evidence Boba Fett was supposed to be some legendary badass.

First of all, there's his genetic predisposition. In official canon, he's an unaltered clone of the man who was hand-picked by Dooku to be the *genetic template for an entire clone army.* Boba Fett was literally born to be a proficient warrior. It's not like he's some sort of LeBron James Jr. who may or may not have inherited enough of his father's genetics to be equally great; he's an exact ******* copy! He essentially *is* his "father."

Second of all, unless you're willing to believe that Darth Vader (right-hand man to the Emperor) used Craigslist to find bounty hunters in ESB, you can safely assume that he was trying to get the best available. And Vader was specifically aware of Fett's reputation versus any of the others.

Lastly, there's a reason why Fett was portrayed as a top-notch badass bounty hunter in tons of EU content: because any writer with common sense could've pieced together enough context to understand that being a bounty hunter in the SW galaxy is the epitome of survival of the fittest. It's sometimes literally a cutthroat business where you don't survive the competition for bounties, and altercations with quarries, unless you can handle yourself exceptionally well in combat. Whether it was the Holiday Special, or ESB, or the EU stories, this character was meant to have a role in the universe more meaningful than just "average" bounty hunter.

When you watch Jango Fett go toe-to-toe with a Jedi (Kenobi), you're basically watching Boba Fett. He's an exact genetic replica, and raised by the warrior himself. Jango was supposed to be the greatest bounty hunter of his era; Boba was supposed to be the greatest of his era. Period.

If you claim there was no evidence for him being a badass, and clinging to the absence of explicit onscreen examples. you're just not paying attention to the intent with the character. He was designed aesthetically and conceptually to be the SW version of Eastwood's "man with no name," and then was given a backstory to show that being an elite warrior was not only his genetic predisposition, but his intended destiny.

Poor Lebron Jr. catching shade in some Boba Fett conversation! Quite an accurate reference though!

 

[Kebron]

If his intent is to change his life in order to avoid a cut-throat backstabbing world, I take it you consider going on to murder Bib Fortuna in order to become a *crime boss* as evidence of that?

Doesn't know where on the planet he is? He's been on this planet several times as one of Jabba's go-to bounty hunters. And he was just at Anchorhead, so he had an orientation landmark.

Licking his wounds makes no sense either since, like I said, he lured the mastiff into an opportunity to cut himself *free.* That's where his head was at before deciding he wanted to stay with the Tuskens.

As for a potential plan we haven't seen revealed yet, I'll give you that one. And I hope a coherent plan where the pieces all fit ends up being revealed.

Perhaps something happened in the Tusken backstory that had him go take Bib's place.

He's in the middle of a desert planet, and he doesn't exactly no where. It's all hills and sand dunes. I doubt he's been everywhere in the barren desert.

You are referencing something before the speeder bike incident, and after a second beat down by a Tusken. Licking his wounds and waiting for the right opportunity still makes sense.

More to the point of your initial post to this reply. You asked for people to share their views, and then go on to just counter those views instead of actually considering them. Appears you are less interested in their views and instead was just wanting to argue.

 

[Otomofan]

It's odd, but they painted themselves into a corner with the time gap in Mandalorian. So now they need to fill that time gap.

I knew going in to the show that he was either gonna be rotting inside the Sarlacc for five years or possibly being a Tusken for some length of time.

I just went with the story. He's in the middle of something. His ship, his armor....he'll get around to it. He's got stuff to do first.

Plus the lizard trip awakened his consciousness.

This is the problem doing flashbacks though. We already know he's still gonna be a mean SOB cause of the way he shot Fortuna, the way he killed all those Stormtroopers.

I guess the analogy I'd use is it's like Better Call Saul. We all know Saul was a totally amoral scumbag on Breaking Bad, but in Better Call Saul they make him out to be a really decent guy with a heart of gold. But it won't work cause we know how he ends up.

 

[Kebron]

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https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/boba-fett-jeremy-bulloch-mandalorian-template/
“I thought of Boba Fett as Clint Eastwood in a suit of armor,” Bulloch said of his initial approach to the part, according to StarWars.com. Thus, inspired by Eastwood’s Western films—notably the ruthless antihero elements from his 1960s Spaghetti Western trilogy run as “The Man with No Name” for director Sergio Leone—Bulloch was able to project an attitude through Fett that didn’t necessarily reflect what the Empire script demanded. While Fett was simply in the film to be the Imperial-contracted bounty hunter who—after cleverly out-foxing his competitors—successfully tracked the Millennium Falcon to its destination of Bespin, Bulloch’s nuanced physical performance told audiences everything they needed to know about the character through his movements and gestures.

That's a great out of film example, but it's not a in film one. I'll give you he had a aura/presence on screen but when we saw him in action, he he shot like a storm trooper and didn't hit anything and he fell into a sarlacc pit.

 

[The Buffinator]

It's obliviously Fennec (desert fox), under cover tracking spice.
That's why he later saves her after Toro Calican killed her

Hey, Fennec has proven she's anything BUT oblivious!

Seriously though, I did consider that possibility but it just seems like such a cheap plot device that I figured F&F would never stoop so low. Then again, they did build the show around a rotund sexagenarian, so I suppose nothing's off the table.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Perhaps something happened in the Tusken backstory that had him go take Bib's place.

He's in the middle of a desert planet, and he doesn't exactly no where. It's all hills and sand dunes. I doubt he's been everywhere in the barren desert.

You are referencing something before the speeder bike incident, and after a second beat down by a Tusken. Licking his wounds and waiting for the right opportunity still makes sense.

More to the point of your initial post to this reply. You asked for people to share their views, and then go on to just counter those views instead of actually considering them. Appears you are less interested in their views and instead was just wanting to argue.

I'm not trying to argue. You gave me some potential explanations, and I accepted one of them (that there's a plan we don't know about yet that will make sense of this). I provided reasons why I can't accept your other explanations. That's how conversation goes. It's a back-and-forth. I sought an explanation that actually made sense and was consistent with context in previous SW and even in these episodes.

And again, I accept that there might be a perfectly logical reason for his behavior that is going to be revealed. Then I'll say, "Ah! Kebron was right; it makes sense now."

 

[Asta]

That's a great out of film example, but it's not a in film one. I'll give you he had a aura/presence on screen but when we saw him in action, he he shot like a storm trooper and didn't hit anything and he fell into a sarlacc pit.

The Man With No Name always got beaten up and humiliated in his films too. But he always came back and came out on top in the end.

 

[Kebron]

Even if I accepted that Boba Fett was the type of character inclined to adopt the mindset of Costner's character, wouldn't going to retrieve the Slave I provide a tactical advantage?

Wouldn't he be in any way interested in retrieving his old life while simultaneously helping the Tuskens whom he apparently feels great sympathy for? And isn't the answer automatically "yes" considering he chased Mando across the galaxy to retrieve his armor?

He's still trying to honor his father's legacy according to the Mando episode, so I just find the BoBF mindset... odd.

No, from what we've seen he doesn't even know he is, so he wouldn't no where the Slave 1 was.

We don't know why he left the tribe yet, so the answer isn't automatically yes.

The Mando episodes happen after the Tusken flashback so we don't know what changed exactly, maybe we will get told, maybe we won't.

 

[matticus]

If he was patterned after The Man with No name, they didn't show it other them him looking cool and mostly being silent. He even shot like a stormtrooper and missed just about everything. There is no in movie canon that supports your statement.

We don't know why Vader said what he said. Maybe Fett botched a job for him before, maybe have a Rep for disintegrations, point is we don't know. My example could be right, or your claim could be. We don't know.

Plenty of children grow up to be different adults. Even adults grow into new people as they get older. Expecting him to be the same as when he was in AOTC is not very logical.

If all the evidence I need to see he is the ultimate warrior bounty hunter give me a example that shows his prowess as a fighter beyond some lip service. The only thing the movies showed is that he's good at tracking, and he can get beat by a blind man with a stick.

Luke went over well in TLJ. Batman, Superman, Luthor in BvS. This is for entertainment purposes and I am not entertained. If I want to watch some fat man dance around, I'm there are some highlights of them at football events on Youtube.

Again, Mando is the Boba Fett show and they decided to make Boba Fett as Temuera and not Temuera as Boba Fett. Fett is now more of a barbarian tribesman now and why he carries a blaster instead of melee weapons is beyond me.

You could even say Luke was a child predator, taking young, adolescent children from their parents/guardians.

You can justify any type of writing, but it doesn't mean it delivers. I thought I was out, Mando brought me back in. Now, I feel like I am out again on this one.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

It's odd, but they painted themselves into a corner with the time gap in Mandalorian. So now they need to fill that time gap.

I knew going in to the show that he was either gonna be rotting inside the Sarlacc for five years or possibly being a Tusken for some length of time.

I just went with the story. He's in the middle of something. His ship, his armor....he'll get around to it. He's got stuff to do first.

Plus the lizard trip awakened his consciousness.

This is the problem doing flashbacks though. We already know he's still gonna be a mean SOB cause of the way he shot Fortuna, the way he killed all those Stormtroopers.

I guess the analogy I'd use is it's like Better Call Saul. We all know Saul was a totally amoral scumbag on Breaking Bad, but in Better Call Saul they make him out to be a really decent guy with a heart of gold. But it won't work cause we know how he ends up.

The difference is he looked like Saul and even acted like a believable Saul.

 

[greygoose]

You could even say Luke was a child predator, taking young, adolescent children from their parents/guardians.