The Book Of Boba Fett (December 2021)

[Victοr]

Yes, I see that your hatred for the ST is so all consuming that you're totally blind to the validity of any point of view that challenges your own. And I'm not saying that as a dig, that's just the reality. You hate it, the hate clouds everything, the end. No need for a circular discussion, take care.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

what better way to say thanks then give him Slave 1.

 

[greygoose]

 

[a-dev]

I'm not talking about selling toys. Nothing sells toys these days like properties of decades past. Not even The Mandalorian which is supposed to be this big huge thing. I get that you've dug your heels in to the notion that the ST can't possibly grow in it's appeal over the years but again, that is exactly what everyone said about the PT 20 years ago. No one was going "oh but the worldbuilding" or "oh but the toys." All anyone cared about was the fact that almost everyone thought that the films sucked and ruined the backstory of the OT and would be a permanent stain on the Saga. And yet...here we are.

One thing I think that many people fail to consider is that all new fans going forward will get to watch the entire Saga in one fell swoop. No one will ever have 30 years of built up imaginings of what Luke or Han or Leia should do after the OT. They'll just watch one right after the other and notice a sizable uptick in the quality of dialogue, acting, cinematography and visuals from the PT/OT to the ST. Sure when they're done watching the Saga as a whole they might go track down a Republic Gunship toy over a Canto Bight Police Speeder it'll all just be "Star Wars" to them without one trilogy or another imprinting on them for years on end to the expense of the others.

I'm no fan of the ST but in liking this post I'm acknowledging it for putting extremely well what I have myself argued in the past.

 

[Otomofan]

I honestly don't even give a rat's ***
what happens anymore.

The "Book of Boba Fett" is dead to me.

 

[ZE_501]

Yes, I see that your hatred for the ST is so all consuming that you're totally blind to the validity of any point of view that challenges your own. And I'm not saying that as a dig, that's just the reality. You hate it, the hate clouds everything, the end. No need for a circular discussion, take care.

The implication in that statement is that because people hate the ST their judgement is askew and can't see the special things you see. You're claiming 'reality' and saying it's not a 'dig' but I don't buy it.

Many of us here -- myself included until I grew tired of wasting my time writing screeds about a children's movie -- wrote pages and pages of valid criticisms for the way the ST was written and executed. Nobody's "judgement is clouded" we think they're poorly made and executed films, the end. With all due respect, Ms. Kennedy.

 

[chrisstbh]

Seems like those Sarlacc tentacles are able to give the equivalent of a lobotomy, judging by how Boba acts now.

 

[chrisstbh]

 

[Sachiel]

At least Max Rebo is alive and well.

Still two episodes left.

 

[Prime Clone]

 

[Khev]

The implication in that statement is that because people hate the ST their judgement is askew and can't see the special things you see.

No, I didn't state or imply that at all. There are plenty of people who don't like the ST (or any given movie) that are still capable of listening to someone who disagrees and recognizing that a differing perspective can be every bit as valid as their own.

That's what I try to do when having a discussion with someone who loves something I hate or hates something I love.

But he told me several times point blank that he isn't one of those people, at least when it comes to the ST, so I took him at his word and let the discussion end.

 

[ZE_501]

No, I didn't state or imply that at all.

He listened to you and disagreed with you.

I can accept that your fandom of the ST is valid insofar as people like what they like -- I like Batman Returns even though it's a very poorly made film.

But disagreeing with the rationalizations you trot out doesn't render me or others 'blind' or 'clouded'.

Words matter. The phrasing you choose is telling..

"Yes, I see that your hatred for the ST is so all consuming that you're totally blind to the validity of any point of view that challenges your own"

He thinks the films are badly conceived and executed. You need to respect that instead of calling him 'blind' lest you become the thing you describe. Maybe it's not your intention but it comes off as passive aggressive.

There are plenty of people who don't like the ST (or any given movie) that are still capable of listening to someone who disagrees and recognizing that a differing perspective can be every bit as valid as their own.

Ergo he is not 'blind'.

 

[darth dennis]

Yikes, they really took one big dump on all of those characters.

Imagine not putting Luke, Leia and Han in a scene together...

...and that is why I ultimately despise the ST. I don't hate the new characters of Rey and Kylo, I just hate that they felt the need to kill off the OT heroes to supplant them with new characters. It would literally take me an hour to write an outline that still included Rey and Kylo and most of their story (no, Rey would not be Palps granddaughter). Han wouldn't be a deadbeat Father, Luke would still have remorse over his handling of Kylo (BUT, he wouldn't have tried to kill him in his sleep). But enough about that, we should focus on the current destruction of a beloved OT character... Ugh.

 

[darth dennis]

Yeah she's done a good job directing these D+ Star Wars shows. They should give her more.

Disappointed in RR. His episodes were the weakest and its not like the better episodes were all that great either.

I just realized that the BoBF being a D+ show has true double meaning...generously.

 

[Mondragon]

I would have in fact sworn Rodriquez was the ultimate Fett fan! I trusted him completely, believed everything he said.

More fool me.

He was.
What's interesting is Rodriguez' Mando ep. which he directed and everyone loved, aperantly bearly had a script.
He was left to his own devices. Directive was just go to town and make Fett look badass the way you remember.

Which is what Rodriguez did, and everyone loved his Fett there. Followed by him cold blooded killing Fortuna and taking the throne.
So who is redefining the charter in BoBF?
Even the episode more liked, directed by Tancharoen, had the ridiculous Rabbit chase and threatening scene. That and other scenes like it, had nothing to with Rodriguez
So all the ire might be directed in the wrong place. Maybe look to whoever's script are redefining the character.

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[Mondragon]

I think they wanted to show some kind of evolution and growth, which started in the Mando show, but they dropped the ball in the BoBF. TM thought Boba was talking too much, so even he picked up on something that didn't feel right. Then, there's the lack of good action, which could be a budget issue, and the worst part, the bad writing. The writing is perplexing, because they are having Boba Fett do things that lack common sense, thus making him look like an ***** in the process. However, they wrote Mando perfectly in episode 5, so I don't understand it either. I don' believe they're doing it on purpose, because why bring down a cool character to elevate another one, when you can easily have two equally great characters. Fennec has been handled well so far, and she's in the same show. I think it comes down to the producers wanting to try something different with the character, since Mando is already the Clint Eastwood Man with No Name, so they didn't want to have another version of that guy, but why make Boba stupid, I think it's accidental, not on purpose.

This^ It's the same writer so (ridiculous conspiracy theories aside) what is the major difference?.
Mando also had plenty of non event eps. scenes where he was clowned, over shadowed by sidekicks, acted and made stupid decisions. (even the latest, if we saw Fett surrender all his weapons at the airport, we'd still be mocking him for it).
Same writer,
Difference is Mando's scenes are tempered cause most of the rest of his show (and his main presence) is still a blank slate helmeted badass.
The biggest difference here is the Fett badass we love and get glimpses of, is sharing allot of screen time with Temuera Morrison. Allot, mate.
Some are loathe to recognize that and will ignore it, to instead come up with ridiculous conspiracies about intentionally sabotaging the character.

 

[chrisstbh]

This^
Mando also had plenty of scenes where he acted and made stupid decisions.
Difference is it was tempered cause most of the rest of show he was still a blank slate helmeted badass.
The biggest difference here is the Fett badass we love and get glimpses of, is sharing allot of screen time with Temuera Morrison.

It was also tempered by overall better writing and directing. I don't think anyone wanted bumbling washed up Godfather Fett.

Mando is a badass that still feels human at times, he makes mistakes but he's determined to do whatever it takes to ensure the safety of his adoptive son.
Fett is a clown that very rarely feels relatable or sympathetic because the decisions he makes are just so strange, not even mistakes just pure idiocy.

 

[greygoose]

...and that is why I ultimately despise the ST. I don't hate the new characters of Rey and Kylo, I just hate that they felt the need to kill off the OT heroes to supplant them with new characters. It would literally take me an hour to write an outline that still included Rey and Kylo and most of their story (no, Rey would not be Palps granddaughter). Han wouldn't be a deadbeat Father, Luke would still have remorse over his handling of Kylo (BUT, he wouldn't have tried to kill him in his sleep). But enough about that, we should focus on the current destruction of a beloved OT character... Ugh.

Agreed. You shouldn't need to **** all over the legacy characters just to elevate your new characters. Bad writing and bad execution.

 

[Prime Clone]

 

[jye4ever]

I think they wanted to show some kind of evolution and growth, which started in the Mando show, but they dropped the ball in the BoBF. TM thought Boba was talking too much, so even he picked up on something that didn't feel right. Then, there's the lack of good action, which could be a budget issue, and the worst part, the bad writing. The writing is perplexing, because they are having Boba Fett do things that lack common sense, thus making him look like an ***** in the process. However, they wrote Mando perfectly in episode 5, so I don't understand it either. I don' believe they're doing it on purpose, because why bring down a cool character to elevate another one, when you can easily have two equally great characters. Fennec has been handled well so far, and she's in the same show. I think it comes down to the producers wanting to try something different with the character, since Mando is already the Clint Eastwood Man with No Name, so they didn't want to have another version of that guy, but why make Boba stupid, I think it's accidental, not on purpose.

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