The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[Adolfo]

Problem with JLA is that it sucks.

Captain America, Hawkeye, Blackwidow, Spiderman, Wolverine, Black panther, iron man, Hulk, Thor, Ant-man, Wasp, quicksilver Vision/Black knight, beast, war machine, mockingbird, Spiderwomanand luke cage just to name a few off the top of my head.

JLA? Batman, Superman, Wonderwoman, Aquaman, Martian manhunter, Flash, green arrow and Green lantern, Canaray, Zatanna, Cap marvel are the ones i remember. But the difference is, and ill be blunt; DC sucks apart from Batman. I know many like superman and he is a very popular character, but Marvel has a much larger, well known and well established, interesting characters in their roster.

Infact I dare say that Marvels world is miles better than DC's universe. I only like Batman when there is no mention of any other DC character. Superman? Not interested. Cant stand them.

Thats why IMO JLA will never work. you tell me who hasnt heard of Iron Man, Spiderman, xmen/wolverine, fantastic four, Captain America, The incredible Hulk or Thor? Most people know alot of marvels characters, alot of them. DC's universe isnt as good or half as popular.

The JGL thing? I dont even car, because its JLA. Even if it was the complete team from the Batman films, i wouldnt care a stuff, because I have zero interest in any of the other DC characters, so taking mine and putting him into a world of aliens and men who fly or run faster than the speed of light? No thanks.

Like ive said before, its either Nolan style or Paul Dini/Bruce Timm's BTAS/Arkham style, then im not interested.

Spoken like a true my team is great no matter what and your team sucks no matter what sports fan...typical I love Marvel and hate DC type...Stupid Nonsense post...only reason JLA will fail if WB F's up the storyline and or rushes it...that's it...Just as many folks know about the JLA as marvel...

 

[jye4ever]

Nerds.

 

[Niltusk]

Spoken like a true my team is great no matter what and your team sucks no matter what sports fan...typical I love Marvel and hate DC type...Stupid Nonsense post...only reason JLA will fail if WB F's up the storyline and or rushes it...that's it...Just as many folks know about the JLA as marvel...

You're overlooking the obvious awesome in his statement, it means we will never have to listen to his tired crapfest of "opinions" in any DC threads that aren't Batman.

 

[Adolfo]

You're overlooking the obvious awesome in his statement, it means we will never have to listen to his tired crapfest of "opinions" in any DC threads that aren't Batman.

We all can dream...but just because we can dream it doesnt make it so...

 

[batfan08]

Problem with JLA is that it sucks.

Captain America, Hawkeye, Blackwidow, Spiderman, Wolverine, Black panther, iron man, Hulk, Thor, Ant-man, Wasp, quicksilver Vision/Black knight, beast, war machine, mockingbird, Spiderwomanand luke cage just to name a few off the top of my head.

JLA? Batman, Superman, Wonderwoman, Aquaman, Martian manhunter, Flash, green arrow and Green lantern, Canaray, Zatanna, Cap marvel are the ones i remember. But the difference is, and ill be blunt; DC sucks apart from Batman. I know many like superman and he is a very popular character, but Marvel has a much larger, well known and well established, interesting characters in their roster.

Infact I dare say that Marvels world is miles better than DC's universe. I only like Batman when there is no mention of any other DC character. Superman? Not interested. Cant stand them.

Thats why IMO JLA will never work. you tell me who hasnt heard of Iron Man, Spiderman, xmen/wolverine, fantastic four, Captain America, The incredible Hulk or Thor? Most people know alot of marvels characters, alot of them. DC's universe isnt as good or half as popular.

The JGL thing? I dont even car, because its JLA. Even if it was the complete team from the Batman films, i wouldnt care a stuff, because I have zero interest in any of the other DC characters, so taking mine and putting him into a world of aliens and men who fly or run faster than the speed of light? No thanks.

Like ive said before, its either Nolan style or Paul Dini/Bruce Timm's BTAS/Arkham style, then im not interested.

Prior to the millennium, I'd say the chances of running into someone who knew who Iron Man, Wolverine, or the Fantastic Four were pretty slim. For the simple fact that, outside of a few short-lived (and one a bit longer) cartoons, there was no exposure. To be blunt, as you put it, Robert Downey Jr. made Iron Man into the Household name he is today just as Hugh Jackman did for Wolverine, so, your point about Marvel being more iconic? Yeah, that's debatable. If anything, DC's "less is more" roster would work better on film. You start bringing in the likes of Black knight, Wonder man, and Quicksilver, and that ****'s gonna get convoluted real fast.

 

[Fernandofan08]

Prior to the millennium, I'd say the chances of running into someone who knew who Iron Man, Wolverine, or the Fantastic Four were pretty slim. For the simple fact that, outside of a few short-lived (and one a bit longer) cartoons, there was no exposure. To be blunt, as you put it, Robert Downey Jr. made Iron Man into the Household name he is today just as Hugh Jackman did for Wolverine, so, your point about Marvel being more iconic? Yeah, that's debatable. If anything, DC's "less is more" roster would work better on film. You start bringing in the likes of Black knight, Wonder man, and Quicksilver, and that ****'s gonna get convoluted real fast.

Thats the point though, Marvel have invested heavily in the past 12 years in their franchises from Punisher, Xmen, Thor, Iron man, Cap america, Fantastic Four, Hulk, Blade, Daredevil, Spiderman and Ghost rider.

DC have only done Batman, superman and green lantern. Catwoman and Watchmen too. Whats made Marvel, is the planned investment. Each hero has had at least one stand alone film or a cameo. This led upto the main event.

DC did the bodge job with Green Lantern. Batman was a stand alone trilogy. The new Superman im looking forward to. But theyve laid zero foundations out for the JLA. Marvel had a lead in for each character.

I believe that there would never be any individual films for any JLA members outside of Bats or Superman. I dont believe martian, Wonderwoman, Flash or Aquaman could carry a film with alot of interest at all. Green Lantern semi-bombed even with Ryan Reynolds.

Whats going to be even more confusing is having two actors as Batman. Because that means (And I do hope) The individual batman films have zero to do with JLA. So for people who watch both, its going to confuse them. I mean, if the new Superman film ties to JLA, but the new Batman doesnt, that means Batman is isolated from JLA whilst having someone else still portraying him. It'd be fine for me, but its not logical. If your doing JLA youve got to do it right and not try to please everybody. If you do it, invest in each character with continuity. Thats how Marvel nailed avengers, even if I didnt really like it much.

 

[Fernandofan08]

Spoken like a true my team is great no matter what and your team sucks no matter what sports fan...typical I love Marvel and hate DC type...Stupid Nonsense post...only reason JLA will fail if WB F's up the storyline and or rushes it...that's it...Just as many folks know about the JLA as marvel...

1) Im not interested in Marvel; I havnt read a marvel comic for about 3 years. Even then, the only comics I read were Punisher MAX, and that ended at volume 12.

2) I dont hate DC as a company. I just cant stand all their characters outside Batman

3) The only Marvel characters I enjoy are Spiderman, Wolverine, Iron Man, Punisher and Daredevil.

4) I didnt like Avengers, I didnt like Raimi's Spiderman 2 or 3, I didnt like fantastic four, I didnt like Captain America, I didnt like Thor, I didnt like Xmen 1/2/3, Wolverine film, I didnt like Hulk, Elektra or Punisher War zone or Ghost Rider 2. I only liked Blade 1, 2 and 3, Daredevil, Spiderman, Amazing Spiderman, Ghost Rider was ok i guess.

And your deluded if you think people know as much about JLA as they do Avengers because they dont. JLA will fail for the reasons I posted above.

And the whole Marvel vs DC thing? I couldnt give two flying fooks. Im not interested in the company. IMO Marvel has a better roster,a better known roster and much more interesting, but DC has the best character which is Batman, and thats all I read, aside from the MAX volumes and a few spiderman books ive got, the other 500+ individual comics are from the past 40 years of Batman mixed in with graphic novels.

If that makes me 'typical Marvel fanboy who hates on DC' or whatever, you gravely miscalculated your judgement; I dont love Marvel at all, just like I dont love DC.

 

[thenammagazine]

You're overlooking the obvious awesome in his statement, it means we will never have to listen to his tired crapfest of "opinions" in any DC threads that aren't Batman.

If only that were true.

 

[Fernandofan08]

If only that were true.

Well you dont see me bar this, Resident Evil games, Walking Dead and Arkham City/Asylum figure threads. So its no worrys, I couldnt care less about other things unless a new Punisher film is announced.Oh probably the ASM2 thread as well and a new Batman thread when the time comes.

 

[batfan08]

In a way, though, DC doesn't need that foundation. They already have the exposure. The fact of the matter is that their history is their exposure, people know Superman, they obviously know Batman, parents know Wonder Woman from Lynda Carter, kids know her from Justice League, and that's another asset that DC has; their animation department. They've used their cartoons as an asset, they have been stable, and they have been accessible. Parents could enjoy Justice League, Batman, and Superman just as much as their kids, but the quality isn't the most important part; it's the stability. They have successfully integrated characters like Green Lantern and The Flash into the public consciousness. Green Lantern, whether a failure or success, was only a good thing for WB in the long term. It got his face and his name out there, people saw him on TV, and, in the end, it's free publicity for Justice League.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Iron man was a nobody before the movies

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Ill take better film over $$$ thanks

But TDKR isn't the better movie

 

[thenammagazine]

In a way, though, DC doesn't need that foundation. They already have the exposure. The fact of the matter is that their history is their exposure, people know Superman, they obviously know Batman, parents know Wonder Woman from Lynda Carter, kids know her from Justice League, and that's another asset that DC has; their animation department. They've used their cartoons as an asset, they have been stable, and they have been accessible. Parents could enjoy Justice League, Batman, and Superman just as much as their kids, but the quality isn't the most important part; it's the stability. They have successfully integrated characters like Green Lantern and The Flash into the public consciousness. Green Lantern, whether a failure or success, was only a good thing for WB in the long term. It got his face and his name out there, people saw him on TV, and, in the end, it's free publicity for Justice League.

While the heroes are known, and no doubt, WB owns the biggest heroes in comics, the problem is there's still lacking that emotional investment Marvel got with the lead-up films. Without that, WB can pray all they want, they're not gonna have a JLA that even compares to Avengers.

Iron man was a nobody before the movies

*waits for some Avengers fanboy to argue differently despite even Marvel admitting his B/C-lister status pre-movie*

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

DC already screwed everything up with the JLA

 

[Fernandofan08]

In a way, though, DC doesn't need that foundation. They already have the exposure. The fact of the matter is that their history is their exposure, people know Superman, they obviously know Batman, parents know Wonder Woman from Lynda Carter, kids know her from Justice League, and that's another asset that DC has; their animation department. They've used their cartoons as an asset, they have been stable, and they have been accessible. Parents could enjoy Justice League, Batman, and Superman just as much as their kids, but the quality isn't the most important part; it's the stability. They have successfully integrated characters like Green Lantern and The Flash into the public consciousness. Green Lantern, whether a failure or success, was only a good thing for WB in the long term. It got his face and his name out there, people saw him on TV, and, in the end, it's free publicity for Justice League.

Yeah but Marvel couldve use their history of exposure for all their characters. DC animation is epic, TDKR aside as I dont like that story, I hope to god they make Killing Joke, Dark victory, Long Halloween, year two, man who laughs.... Haunted Knight would be a great short, put Fears, Ghosts and Madness individually on different films. be amazing.

But anyway, yeah. JLA! I know what your saying, and hopefully for those who like JLA they'll do it right. I just dont see Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian manhunter, Aquaman or Green Lantern half as marketable as what characters the Avengers had. Superman and batman will naturally be highly marketable, but you saw the promotion of Avengers, basically there was only Jeremy as Hawkeye and Ruffalo who was the unknown.

All the other characters were in seperate films, were built up and were led to this very moment. I just think thats how DC needed to do.

I just dont see how you can jump straight into JLA. the amount of people who would be like 'so whos that dude'. I dont know anything about Martian manhunter, hardly know anything about Wonder Woman (aside from the god awful recent tv show with Zoe from eastenders), green lantern, flash and Aquaman. If there was individual films, id go and see them because they deserve to be seen. Even if I dont like them, id go and watch them with an open mind like I did all of Marvels crapfests and all their great films.

Jumping straight into a JLA film where the world is in crisis could be really confusing, because you wont know half the characters or anything about them. One way could be to have Batman as a new recruit and do a short introduction through Batmans eyes. Your introduction is Batmans introduction. But then you run the risk of making it Batman centric. Alternatively, I always thought JLA was Batman/Superman centric, like they were the center of the team anyway sort of like the Cap/Iron Man relationship.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Words......

 

[Fernandofan08]

Iron man was a nobody before the movies

He wasnt exactly a nobody. I always loved the 1994 cartoon which ran with the X-men, Spider-man and Hulk cartoon

But yeah he wasnt well known at all. To be blunt, Iron Mans success to me is 60% because you dont know if its Downey Jr or Tony Stark. Its like Downey IS stark on and off screen.

He owns the character now and has made him supremely popular.

 

[Fernandofan08]

Words......

Sorry if your too backwards to read.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Words......

 

[thenammagazine]

Yeah but Marvel couldve use their history of exposure for all their characters. DC animation is epic, TDKR aside as I dont like that story, I hope to god they make Killing Joke, Dark victory, Long Halloween, year two, man who laughs.... Haunted Knight would be a great short, put Fears, Ghosts and Madness individually on different films. be amazing.

But anyway, yeah. JLA! I know what your saying, and hopefully for those who like JLA they'll do it right. I just dont see Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian manhunter, Aquaman or Green Lantern half as marketable as what characters the Avengers had. Superman and batman will naturally be highly marketable, but you saw the promotion of Avengers, basically there was only Jeremy as Hawkeye and Ruffalo who was the unknown.

All the other characters were in seperate films, were built up and were led to this very moment. I just think thats how DC needed to do.

I just dont see how you can jump straight into JLA. the amount of people who would be like 'so whos that dude'. I dont know anything about Martian manhunter, hardly know anything about Wonder Woman (aside from the god awful recent tv show with Zoe from eastenders), green lantern, flash and Aquaman. If there was individual films, id go and see them because they deserve to be seen. Even if I dont like them, id go and watch them with an open mind like I did all of Marvels crapfests and all their great films.

Jumping straight into a JLA film where the world is in crisis could be really confusing, because you wont know half the characters or anything about them. One way could be to have Batman as a new recruit and do a short introduction through Batmans eyes. Your introduction is Batmans introduction. But then you run the risk of making it Batman centric. Alternatively, I always thought JLA was Batman/Superman centric, like they were the center of the team anyway sort of like the Cap/Iron Man relationship.

You're expecting the B-listers to match A-listers. Green Arrow, Flash, Martian Manhunter are like Widow/Hawkeye equivalents. They're necessary for the overall picture but I'm not certain they could carry their own solo films. I left Aquaman out of it because I see him the same as I see Thor. Initially I thought Thor couldn't work and he did, very successfully. Aquaman could work just the same if given the same treatment.