The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[ZaCHw117]

Saw it for the third time today. Still amazing.

 

[darkknight]

Awesome flick! Almost teared at the end

After finding out that she was Talia, is it just me or she became 10x hotter?

 

[Bardoon]

Fantastic movie and a fitting end to the whole Nolan Batman series!

Great acting all around. Bane was a remarkable villain with brute and brains. I predicted early on that he was basically going to be what Batman SHOULD HAVE BEEN had he followed the League of Shadows' original agenda. Tom Hardy did a great job of making him believable both as a physical powerhouse and a intellect. He's not as interesting as Ledger's Joker and is a totally different type of bad guy but certainly held his own.

Anne Hathaway was great as usual. When I heard she was cast, I was happy because she is a terrific actress in all the roles I've seen her in. Playing Selina Kyle with respect and some sexy badass in her and touching on the part that Catwoman does have a soft spot on her.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt has been better in all the roles he's done. It makes me forget him in GI Joe: Rise of Cobra. Nice surprise at the end with the clue that he will become the "next" Batman much like ____ Grayson succeeded Bruce before the whole New 52 reboot.

The pacing was a little off much like The Dark Knight. Nolan has a unique style of pacing his movies but I think this one was slightly better off than The Dark Knight. The visual style was good though as was the cinematography. Do you all know that Under Armor is selling Gotham Rogues gear on their website?

There are a few things that threw me off. I wasn't too keen on the whole "eight years later" thing as well as the 5-6 month occupation that Bane had over Gotham, but it made sense for the plot. Also, what was the deal with his busted up knee and it being ignored later on? I understand he was shot at the end of TDK and his body had taken a toll from being Batman, but he hadn't been Batman for eight years and I assume would've recovered by then. They did show him using that device to help his knee out but after that his knee was ignored. Did all the training in the Pit let him recover from that?

Also, what "pain" did Bane suffer from? Was it the plague going on in the Pit or his injuries from defending Talia? Curious.

Overall an amazing movie and thanks to Nolan, Bale and everyone for doing Batman RIGHT!

Can't wait for the reboot!

 

[ironwez20]

Lol good for talia to bone the guy she's getting revenge on lmao. So that destroys the possibilities of Damien since she was killed.

 

[intothevoid]

https://www.slate.com/blogs/browbea...cities_the_parts_that_draw_from_dickens_.html

The Dickensian Aspects of The Dark Knight Rises

When director Christopher Nolan and his brother and screenwriter Jonathan Nolan revealed that The Dark Knight Rises was inspired by A Tale of Two Cities, the Internet lit up with speculation. Would Batman growl about Gotham’s best of times, and worst of times?

Now that you’ve had a chance to see the movie, we can round up a few of the ways—explicit and otherwise—that The Dark Knight Rises draws on Dickens’ work.

Major spoilers ahead.

The most direct reference to A Tale of Two Cities comes at the end of the film, at Bruce Wayne’s (would-be) burial. Even on an IMAX screen you might not be able to make out the leather-bound book that Gordon holds in his hands, but it is none other than Dickens’ novel of the French Revolution. Rather than quote the book’s famous opening passage, however, Gordon flips to the end, to the novel’s less well-known last lines*:

It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known.
Gordon’s selection of this passage as Batman’s eulogy is quite apt. First of all, the lines in the book represent the last thoughts of the character Sydney Carton as he prepares to make the ultimate sacrifice for his loved ones and city—a sacrifice just like the one Batman makes. At the end of the novel, Carton manages to switch places with the character Charles Darnay as Darnay faces execution. As he does so, he expresses faith in his city, just like the faith Batman expresses for Gotham again and again throughout the Batman trilogy. Here’s the passage that comes just before those last lines:

I see a beautiful city and a brilliant people rising from this abyss, and, in their struggles to be truly free, in their triumphs and defeats, though long to come, I see the evil of this time and of the previous time of which this is the natural birth, gradually making expiation for itself and wearing out.
Carton, like Bruce Wayne, is also an orphan, which brings us to another Dickensian thread of The Dark Knight Rises: The movie is teeming with orphans. Not only is there Bruce Wayne, but the final chapter of the trilogy introduces the new character of John Blake, an orphan who understands Batman thanks to their shared experience of losing their parents. Blake frequently checks back at the orphanage where he was raised, which is underfunded (presumably, in part, because of the movie’s greedy Dickensian capitalists, with their Dickensian names—the weaselly Stryver was likely inspired by the Tale of Two Cities character of the same name).

Some of these orphans, as they’re lured into becoming thieves and criminals, evoke another Dickens novel, Oliver Twist. And Selina Kyle (Anne Hathaway), though the movie never reveals her past, resembles the Artful Dodger from Twist: Both characters have been taught by an impoverished city to fend for themselves by developing the skills of a master pickpocket, and both are defined by their ability to skirt responsibility in order to save themselves: The Dodger lets Twist go on trial for the theft he committed, just as Kyle sells Batman out to Bane to repay her debts. We seem to get a glimpse of her past when she bonds with a young orphan by giving him a pointer about how to steal an apple—she says that, like the Dodger, he should make sure to always have an escape plan.

But the scenes that most boldly evoke A Tale of Two Cities—along with, of course, the novel’s basis in the history of the French Revolution—are the scenes of its vengeful populist uprising. As in A Tale of Two Cities, The Dark Knight Rises depicts a mob that thirsts for the blood of the rich who have neglected and exploited them. The poor drag the rich from their homes and put them on trial before kangaroo courts. In each revolution, the trials are decided more by the clamor of the crowd than by any due process, and there’s little hope for the defendants.

Of course, as Slate’s Dana Stevens points out in her review, the trials in Nolan’s movie also have a Kafkaesque quality. This is seen in the way that Gordon and other prisoners are given only the hopeless and darkly comic decision of “exile” or “death ... by exile.”* (Elsewhere, the movie’s references reach back even further, all the way to Robin Hood.) But in the way The Dark Knight Rises demonstrates both a desire for social justice and a fear of what that can actually look like in the hands of a mob, it owes its greatest debt to Dickens.

 

[Megatron]

After discovering the batcave it's very obvious that he will indeed become Batman 2.0. His name Robin is nothing more then a reference or homage to the character in the DC world. Considering that Bruce might have left all of the technology in the cave for someone to someday discover, why would he choose to become his own character instead of continuing the legacy of Batman. Besides Robin has a silly little mask that only covers his eyes so I'm sure as a crime fighter he wouldn't want his identity to be blown.

Now for the bad part as Blake becoming the new Batman. He doesn't have the proper training to become Batman. Whereas Bruce trained with the LOS and traveled the world for a brief period of time studying the psychology of Criminals. Blake will become a ruthless and much more brutal Batman. Consider in the end where he threw his badge into the ocean, he believes that justice can only be achieved not through the law but with the difference of one person going to extreme lengths even if that means working outside his beliefs as a cop. After going through the events in TDKR im pretty sure Blake has seen enough and will become another version of Batman who is much more violent, brutal, and unethical because he is not properly trained or experienced like Bruce. Very much like Azreal in Knightfall where he was a ****** Batman.

Now for the good part. Bruce learns about this "new" Batman causing chaos in Gotham(Blake Batman going as far as letting criminals to die etc) and is tarnishing the legacy of the Batman. So therefore, he must once again come out of retirement in Italy and travel to Gotham where he must don the suit once again to confront the out of control Blake. It will be a showdown between two Batmen where Blake will not give up his Batman mantle.

In the end, Bruce will once again be Gotham's true Batman. He can't leave without knowing that Gotham really do need a savior to help save its people such as lunatics like Blake running around messing up the Batman legacy. Plus, he will forever have to live with the burden that Gotham cannot live without a Batman.

IMO that's how I would've pictured the events after TDKR.

 

[OSCORP]

https://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-the-dark-knight-rises/

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

Lol good for talia to bone the guy she's getting revenge on lmao. So that destroys the possibilities of Damien since she was killed.

There is no possibility of Damien because that was the end of the trilogy.

 

[Boba Ben]

I don't know. I thought Blake was a pretty stand up guy. I don't think he'd be like that.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

After discovering the batcave it's very obvious that he will indeed become Batman 2.0. His name Robin is nothing more then a reference or homage to the character in the DC world. Considering that Bruce might have left all of the technology in the cave for someone to someday discover, why would he choose to become his own character instead of continuing the legacy of Batman. Besides Robin has a silly little mask that only covers his eyes so I'm sure as a crime fighter he wouldn't want his identity to be blown.

Now for the bad part as Blake becoming the new Batman. He doesn't have the proper training to become Batman. Whereas Bruce trained with the LOS and traveled the world for a brief period of time studying the psychology of Criminals. Blake will become a ruthless and much more brutal Batman. Consider in the end where he threw his badge into the ocean, he believes that justice can only be achieved not through the law but with the difference of one person going to extreme lengths even if that means working outside his beliefs as a cop. After going through the events in TDKR im pretty sure Blake has seen enough and will become another version of Batman who is much more violent, brutal, and unethical because he is not properly trained or experienced like Bruce. Very much like Azreal in Knightfall where he was a ****** Batman.

Now for the good part. Bruce learns about this "new" Batman causing chaos in Gotham(Blake Batman going as far as letting criminals to die etc) and is tarnishing the legacy of the Batman. So therefore, he must once again come out of retirement in Italy and travel to Gotham where he must don the suit once again to confront the out of control Blake. It will be a showdown between two Batmen where Blake will not give up his Batman mantle.

In the end, Bruce will once again be Gotham's true Batman. He can't leave without knowing that Gotham really do need a savior to help save its people such as lunatics like Blake running around messing up the Batman legacy. Plus, he will forever have to live with the burden that Gotham cannot live without a Batman.

IMO that's how I would've pictured the events after TDKR.

****** Batman ...sorry that part killed me

 

[Markcoos]

After discovering the batcave it's very obvious that he will indeed become Batman 2.0. His name Robin is nothing more then a reference or homage to the character in the DC world. Considering that Bruce might have left all of the technology in the cave for someone to someday discover, why would he choose to become his own character instead of continuing the legacy of Batman. Besides Robin has a silly little mask that only covers his eyes so I'm sure as a crime fighter he wouldn't want his identity to be blown.

Now for the bad part as Blake becoming the new Batman. He doesn't have the proper training to become Batman. Whereas Bruce trained with the LOS and traveled the world for a brief period of time studying the psychology of Criminals. Blake will become a ruthless and much more brutal Batman. Consider in the end where he threw his badge into the ocean, he believes that justice can only be achieved not through the law but with the difference of one person going to extreme lengths even if that means working outside his beliefs as a cop. After going through the events in TDKR im pretty sure Blake has seen enough and will become another version of Batman who is much more violent, brutal, and unethical because he is not properly trained or experienced like Bruce. Very much like Azreal in Knightfall where he was a ****** Batman.

Now for the good part. Bruce learns about this "new" Batman causing chaos in Gotham(Blake Batman going as far as letting criminals to die etc) and is tarnishing the legacy of the Batman. So therefore, he must once again come out of retirement in Italy and travel to Gotham where he must don the suit once again to confront the out of control Blake. It will be a showdown between two Batmen where Blake will not give up his Batman mantle.

In the end, Bruce will once again be Gotham's true Batman. He can't leave without knowing that Gotham really do need a savior to help save its people such as lunatics like Blake running around messing up the Batman legacy. Plus, he will forever have to live with the burden that Gotham cannot live without a Batman.

IMO that's how I would've pictured the events after TDKR.

that is probably what nolan wanted, someone to continue the mantle as batman, who would be like azrael, which could cause bruce wayne to come back and be batman, hence where a new movie could come in

 

[carbo-fation]

https://www.slate.com/blogs/browbea...cities_the_parts_that_draw_from_dickens_.html

Thanks for that! Now I'll need to pay special attention to Gordan's eulogy for BW.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

After discovering the batcave it's very obvious that he will indeed become Batman 2.0. His name Robin is nothing more then a reference or homage to the character in the DC world. Considering that Bruce might have left all of the technology in the cave for someone to someday discover, why would he choose to become his own character instead of continuing the legacy of Batman. Besides Robin has a silly little mask that only covers his eyes so I'm sure as a crime fighter he wouldn't want his identity to be blown.

Now for the bad part as Blake becoming the new Batman. He doesn't have the proper training to become Batman. Whereas Bruce trained with the LOS and traveled the world for a brief period of time studying the psychology of Criminals. Blake will become a ruthless and much more brutal Batman. Consider in the end where he threw his badge into the ocean, he believes that justice can only be achieved not through the law but with the difference of one person going to extreme lengths even if that means working outside his beliefs as a cop. After going through the events in TDKR im pretty sure Blake has seen enough and will become another version of Batman who is much more violent, brutal, and unethical because he is not properly trained or experienced like Bruce. Very much like Azreal in Knightfall where he was a ****** Batman.

Now for the good part. Bruce learns about this "new" Batman causing chaos in Gotham(Blake Batman going as far as letting criminals to die etc) and is tarnishing the legacy of the Batman. So therefore, he must once again come out of retirement in Italy and travel to Gotham where he must don the suit once again to confront the out of control Blake. It will be a showdown between two Batmen where Blake will not give up his Batman mantle.

In the end, Bruce will once again be Gotham's true Batman. He can't leave without knowing that Gotham really do need a savior to help save its people such as lunatics like Blake running around messing up the Batman legacy. Plus, he will forever have to live with the burden that Gotham cannot live without a Batman.

IMO that's how I would've pictured the events after TDKR.

People seem to note the similarities between Blake and Grayson, Todd, Drake and even Azrael ... but miss the McGinnis comparison.

I think Blake is supposed to be more of a McGinnis (took over when Bruce retired) or Grayson (took over when Bruce was killed) version. Azrael was kind of an ass even before he became Batman -- Blake seemed to have his head on straight. There is a point to be made about the training, but I don't think there is about his judgment. He left the force because he'd have to make compromises ... Batman doesn't compromise.

If Bruce comes back to Gotham -- certainly an open possibility -- I'd figure it'd be to mentor as a retiree, or to resume the fight with either two Batmen (maybe a Batman, Inc. thing), with Blake as a sidekick ... or to officially outsource his ass to Bludhaven.

SnakeDoc

 

[intothevoid]

Thanks for that! Now I'll need to pay special attention to Gordan's eulogy for BW.

The eulogy and that passage are beautiful, and couldn't be more apt. I wouldn't be surprised if that very passage spurred the idea of the entire film

 

[MasterSafara]

The idea is that anyone can be Batman.

 

[joebizz34]

I actually was disappointed with the movie. I thought it was ok but it felt too long and the editing was a little rough to me in spots. I felt that the action was missing something too. I don't know. I guess I was just expecting too much but it left me empty at the end. The friend I saw it with felt the same way. I'm a huge fan so I really wanted to love this movie. I just didn't. I have to be honest about that. Batman Begins was good, the Dark Knight was great and to me Dark Knight Rises was average.

 

[thenammagazine]

Are you saying void could've played Bane.

Void's too big to have played Nolan's Bane.

 

[MasterSafara]

You really didn't explain a whole lot, but okay.

 

[MasterSafara]

Where can I hear the original prologue audio of Bane's voice?

 

[BlitzOUT]

Now for the bad part as Blake becoming the new Batman. He doesn't have the proper training to become Batman. Whereas Bruce trained with the LOS and traveled the world for a brief period of time studying the psychology of Criminals. Blake will become a ruthless and much more brutal Batman. Consider in the end where he threw his badge into the ocean, he believes that justice can only be achieved not through the law but with the difference of one person going to extreme lengths even if that means working outside his beliefs as a cop. After going through the events in TDKR im pretty sure Blake has seen enough and will become another version of Batman who is much more violent, brutal, and unethical because he is not properly trained or experienced like Bruce. Very much like Azreal in Knightfall where he was a ****** Batman.

Now for the good part. Bruce learns about this "new" Batman causing chaos in Gotham(Blake Batman going as far as letting criminals to die etc) and is tarnishing the legacy of the Batman. So therefore, he must once again come out of retirement in Italy and travel to Gotham where he must don the suit once again to confront the out of control Blake. It will be a showdown between two Batmen where Blake will not give up his Batman mantle.


IMO that's how I would've pictured the events after TDKR.

I disagree with this. Blake is too level headed and understanding to become a rogue Batman. In the scene where he shot and killed those two goons, you could tell that he was shocked and disgusted in himself (hence throwing the gun away). And his connection with the orphanage goes to show how much of a good guy he really is.

Plus, anyone can be Batman.