The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[ZE_501]

[...]I also don't think it's that unbelievable (or inconsistent with his OT character) that he would negotiate with Mando instead of coming out guns blazing. There's more to bounty hunting than being a badass in battle (tracking, collecting intel, developing informants, etc.), so showing him as more than a one-dimensional character was welcome. And there's also the fact that he would recognize that Mando in full beskar had the advantage, so he was less likely to achieve his objective through conflict.

In ESB he didn't attack the Falcon or try to subdue his quarry. He tracked it and notified his employer, then (apparently) negotiated a deal to take Han once Vader was done with him, in effect getting paid twice. He didn't stick around to duke it out with Luke Skywalker, he took one shot and got out of there.

It's not flashy but it's smart. If we can infer anything from ESB it's that he's highly focused, not particularly egotistical, a skilled negotiator and sneaky as hell.

He did draw on Chewbacca in the freezing chamber but that was more a precaution, albeit Vader had him stand down immediately.

I can't say much about ROTJ. He was slow and incompetent there. If we can connect the dots between ESB and ROTJ it's that he was never actually a skilled fighter in open combat. Maybe he was right not to get into confrontations in ESB.

So I don't have a big problem with him wanting to gain a strategic advantage, then merely talk to Din before jumping in and engaging an unknown quantity in full Beskar armour.

That's actually some pure Art of War business right there.

Based on the films it's preposterous to make assumptions about what the *real* Fett would have done because there's no real precedent other than him being sneaky in one film and getting his ass handed to him in the next.

Morrison is also an amazing actor so I don't blame him for any PT stuff, that was all George. He acquitted himself well in this episode, in spite of the crushing weight of fan service.

As far as his forgetting to retrieve his jetpack, that was definitely a lazy convenience in Favreau's script. I could buy his panicking and forgetting it the first time he returned to Grogu, but not for the entire episode thereafter. He seemed pretty cool & confident while dispatching stormtroopers alongside Fennec Shand.

The jarring inconsistency I mentioned. Resourceful, quick-thinking, experienced, relentless ... until you threaten his baby. When he should be at his most dangerous, but as I speculated, maybe he's just really emotionally messed up from his abusive cult upbringing, not to mention watching his parents die, unable to protect him.

I don't know how much Favreau had to do with this script, but note what he did with Tony Stark. We start with a flashy, impenetrable cipher of a man, all surface and quips. We shortly shifted gears to long-running PTSD, anxiety, paranoia, anger and daddy issues, which ended in a softer, more vulnerable but more obviously human family man before he finally went out like a hero.

I'm not saying Din will go out to save Grogu (although I bet they at least have that idea on the table in the writer's room) but his crippling anxiety surrounding his love of a child is looking kinda familiar.

 

[hellgrammite00]

I mean its a show that does well when you don't have to think about it. It's a serialized western in outerspace. Most people he bumps into are honorable and keep there word.

People can justify it, but this season the characters are getting a little to repetitive to me. Assassins, bounty hunters, republic officers...they all seem to have a similar honor system.

The prison break episode is still one of my favorite, because it doesn't force Mando to be a good guy. Mando is kind of a scumbag, but at least he has a code. The other mercenaries around him didn't really, and it makes us like Mando because at least he has things we can associate with.

Here is what I would have done with last episode:

Boba Fett as a loyal and noble guy....is just unoriginal. Boba Fett should have nodded to Mando after getting back his armor, and said if I see you again I will kill you. Professional courtesy.

Mando could have said wait, I want to hire your services to rescue Grogu from the empire. Fett laughs, saying Mando's ship is destroyed, and what of value could he offer. Maybe for a few credits drop you off at the nearest inhabited planet.

Mando walks to the ships wreckage, digs around, and finds the beskar spear. Boba examines it, and is impressed. Mando says your father was a foundling, and the Mandalorians once gave Beskar to your family. As a Mando, I offer the same deal and respect offered to your father.

Boba Fett smiles, and puts his helmet on, saying since the empire already has the child, now there is no more bounty on the child, so Mando's offer is probably the largest in the sector right now.

Doesn't this sound like something we could believe for Fett? Isn't this how a bounty hunter would think??
This would have been creative, instead of just having Boba Fett just be like all the other noble people Mando is bumping into.

 

[Sassafras]

I like Pedro. Hope he decides to stick around.

It all started with BS from some Y-tuber. Pascal was on set Season 1; how much is unclear. But Favreau mentions him being able to sit at a table where a test stunt guy couldn't in the Gallery, comments about getting injured on set (face) etc. Stuff you wouldn't know unless you are on set doing it. Wasn't like he didn't want to be there; Pascal had another job he was working the same time. Favreau wanted him anyway.

He's one of Entertainment Weekly's 2020 picks -and flat out is what we are seeing in Season 2 re the article - except am sure for the more dangerous stunts.
No not-insane director is gonna put the actor cast at risk; there are millions of dollars at stake re insurance and like that.

https://ew.com/tv/pedro-pascal-entertainers-of-the-year-2020/

"I'm not even sure if I would be able to do it if it weren't for the amount of direct experience that I've had with being on stage to understand how to posture yourself, how to physically frame yourself into something and to tell a story with a gesture, with a stance, or with very, very specific vocal intonation," says Pascal, who believes his collaborative relationship with creator Jon Favreau and executive producer Dave Filoni, a.k.a. his "Mandalorian papas," also helped him inhabit the role in season 2.

IMO Pascal's work has been impeccable with a lot of subtle movements and voice work. IMO an excellent choice; am sure there would have been others but offhand can't think of anyone. He's able (in other parts too) to shift between badassery and humor/warmth - probably why Favreau picked him - as well as physicality.
Grace R. (YT) who started this *&&^% is an &^%$(& attention-seeker. Kinda scary how many folks accept &^%$ without a 5 minute Google fact check.

(Fact-checking sure saved me ordering Mando's helmet$$$$ directly from ANOVOS - maybe some folks have had good luck with this company but I didn't like the comments I came across in 30 seconds at all. Ended up not spending the money anyway).

Anyway - IMO Din D'jarin's slide into unexpected fatherhood started with the first episode. It's why I like the character - he's complicated. Ruthless enough to plow through Stormtroopers saving the kid, including a parting kill shot for one poor guy and/or stabbing in the back; but he's not just some *&&^%. Dry humor too.

Since there was already foreshadowing of what Din D'jarin is gonna do "If you put one mark on him there is nowhere you will be able to hide from me" - this should be good.

 

[Khev]

Okay I watched the Boba Fett scenes two more times.

To give credit where credit is due:

1. TM did a great job in his own right. Regardless of any PT connections or how I think OT Fett should have behaved TM's take on the character was still an interesting and entertaining one. I'm glad that he played Boba different than Jango and his "crazed" expressions when taking out the Stormies with the gaffi were fun without being over the top ridiculous like ROTS Palps fighting Mace. Or maybe they were over the top but TM pulled it off anyway.

2. I really liked that they "canonized" Jango's status as a Death Watch foundling and assumedly by extension Boba as well. It seemed that in the Clone Wars cartoon George was trying to move away from that and thereby strip the Fetts of the last bit of interesting lore that the character originated with. So kudos to Favreau for reinstating him as a true Mandalorian.

3. While I don't know that him dispatching the derpy Stormtroopers made him a badass it *did* make him scary, which I *loved.* And his entrance after donning the armor nicely retained his ROTJ tactic of jetpacking within arm's reach of his foe from behind. None of the other Mandalorians we've seen have done that so that was a really nice touch that I daresay even kind of redeemed his previously "foolhardy" move of landing within lightsaber range of Luke on the skiff. We can now more easily assume that he normally kicks ass after freaking someone out by appearing that close from out of the sky.

4. His gunslinger moves really weren't too over the top and while he was tossing and flipping Stormtroopers with some of his judo moves *he* at least wasn't jumping and flipping around. So they didn't commit the same sins as ROTS Palpatine and I would say that his moves were more in line with RO Vader (in other words not being totally out of bounds for an established OT character.) And launching the projectiles from his knee armor was awesome.

5. Watching grown Boba Fett in his original armor flying Slave I was...okay I'm not gonna lie utterly awesome, lol. I'm not sure how I feel about him taking orders from the chick ("Stop the Dark Troopers", "yes ma'am," "No let them go," "okay ma'am") but eh.

6. I may not think that Mando Fett fits perfectly with OT Fett but is it *worse* than the difference between ESB and ROTJ Fett? Hmmm. Maybe not. What I do think he fits well enough with is the Holiday Special Fett who I actually *do* consider to be canon. And HS Fett was pretty chatty and didn't sound like his live-action counterpart so maybe I can just chill out about needing his character to be consistent across all media. I love Alden's Han Solo even though I fully recognize that he isn't Harrison Ford. But I accept that movie because it's just a good movie and Alden did a great job and his Han Solo is still cool even if he might not match up perfectly with the character as I see him. Same with Glover's Lando.

Despite initially recoiling from this version of Fett I might settle into a "the jury is out until I see more" mindset like ajp.

7. I actually liked the Dark Troopers. Very 90's EU to me. Fun stuff and looking forward to seeing more.

8. Gideon sending two unarmed Stormtroopers into Grogu's cell for the sole purpose of letting them get their asses kicked until Grogu wore himself out was awesome and kind of hilarious, lol. Gideon continues to be a really fun bad guy.

 

[user 64404]

Okay I watched the Boba Fett scenes two more times.

To give credit where credit is due:

1. TM did a great job in his own right. Regardless of any PT connections or how I think OT Fett should have behaved TM's take on the character was still an interesting and entertaining one. I'm glad that he played Boba different than Jango and his "crazed" expressions when taking out the Stormies with the gaffi were fun without being over the top ridiculous like ROTS Palps fighting Mace. Or maybe they were over the top but TM pulled it off anyway.

2. I really liked that they "canonized" Jango's status as a Death Watch foundling and assumedly by extension Boba as well. It seemed that in the Clone Wars cartoon George was trying to move away from that and thereby strip the Fetts of the last bit of interesting lore that the character originated with. So kudos to Favreau for reinstating him as a true Mandalorian.

3. While I don't know that him dispatching the derpy Stormtroopers made him a badass it *did* make him scary, which I *loved.* And his entrance after donning the armor nicely retained his ROTJ tactic of jetpacking within arm's reach of his foe from behind. None of the other Mandalorians we've seen have done that so that was a really nice touch that I daresay even kind of redeemed his previously "foolhardy" move of landing within lightsaber range of Luke on the skiff. We can now more easily assume that he normally kicks ass after freaking someone out by appearing that close from out of the sky.

4. His gunslinger moves really weren't too over the top and while he was tossing and flipping Stormtroopers with some of his judo moves *he* at least wasn't jumping and flipping around. So they didn't commit the same sins as ROTS Palpatine and I would say that his moves were more in line with RO Vader (in other words not being totally out of bounds for an established OT character.) And launching the projectiles from his knee armor was awesome.

5. Watching grown Boba Fett in his original armor flying Slave I was...okay I'm not gonna lie utterly awesome, lol. I'm not sure how I feel about him taking orders from the chick ("Stop the Dark Troopers", "yes ma'am," "No let them go," "okay ma'am") but eh.

6. I may not think that Mando Fett fits perfectly with OT Fett but is it *worse* than the difference between ESB and ROTJ Fett? Hmmm. Maybe not. What I do think he fits well enough with is the Holiday Special Fett who I actually *do* consider to be canon. And HS Fett was pretty chatty and didn't sound like his live-action counterpart so maybe I can just chill out about needing his character to be consistent across all media. I love Alden's Han Solo even though I fully recognize that he isn't Harrison Ford. But I accept that movie because it's just a good movie and Alden did a great job and his Han Solo is still cool even if he might not match up perfectly with the character as I see him. Same with Glover's Lando.

Despite initially recoiling from this version of Fett I might settle into a "the jury is out until I see more" mindset like ajp.

7. I actually liked the Dark Troopers. Very 90's EU to me. Fun stuff and looking forward to seeing more.

8. Gideon sending two unarmed Stormtroopers into Grogu's cell for the sole purpose of letting them get their asses kicked until Grogu wore himself out was awesome and kind of hilarious, lol. Gideon continues to be a really fun bad guy.

You seem to have to much of attachment to the ESB\ROTJ Fett, i get it, but dont you think it is too much?
Fett in the movies (5&6) is just a guy with a cool helmet holding a cool gun, Jango is a way better character and now this mandalorian version actually achieve to live to the legend, i was waiting to have more HT star wars characters(i just have the force users) before buying Bobba but now i want one asap(the ESB\ROTJ suit)

 

[Star-Crunch]

This episode was pure fanboy glee for me. AOTC was my first true SW experience and holds a special place in my heart. I never in a million years thought I would see a live action Boba Fett played by Morrison. I recognize the flaws and whatnot, but I can’t help geeking out

 

[Spartan Rex]

Paul writes great articles on the Bungie game Destiny 2 but opines on other topics;
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/12/05/the-last-two-episodes-of-the-mandalorian-are-better-than-the-last-five-star-wars-movies/

 

[Sassafras]

Okay I watched the Boba Fett scenes two more times.

To give credit where credit is due:

Despite initially recoiling from this version of Fett I might settle into a "the jury is out until I see more" mindset like ajp.

7. I actually liked the Dark Troopers. Very 90's EU to me. Fun stuff and looking forward to seeing more.

8. Gideon sending two unarmed Stormtroopers into Grogu's cell for the sole purpose of letting them get their asses kicked until Grogu wore himself out was awesome and kind of hilarious, lol. Gideon continues to be a really fun bad guy.

Never took to Boba so I won't get it. And I don't e.g if he's needed to be like what was said, more or less about the Xenomorph - that there's a kind of purity about it. But for me that makes a character predictable - and like Terminator, it's THE PROBLEM that needs to be dealt with. Or there's the high-intelligence villains (Vader).

But IMO TM did a stellar job. A touch of wasteland burnt crazy/bitterness, ruthless, spare. &*^% I didn't even want all this reshash stuffed into Mandalorian - at most Bo-katan and maybe Luke showing up at the very end. IMO it's already an overload.

Maybe long term Boba fans would be like "well, u weren't there for it so u don't get it" or whatever but far as I read, a Boba series was discussed initially, and discounted in favor of Mandalorian/new character. So maybe it's not what Boba fans wanted, but think it's kind've important incoming fans take to this character. Should be fun watching Boba interact with someone like Mayfield. And I appreciated - whether canon or not - there seemed to be a kind of inherent respect between the two Mandalorians. Soldier to soldier. Also teaming up with Fennec.

Totally agree about Gideon the *&^%$

 

[hellgrammite00]

This episode was pure fanboy glee for me. AOTC was my first true SW experience and holds a special place in my heart. I never in a million years thought I would see a live action Boba Fett played by Morrison. I recognize the flaws and whatnot, but I can’t help geeking out

I feel similar. I am critical of the episode, but it doesn't mean it isn't a 7/10 or 8/10 for me. But I noticed more flaws on the second viewing, and felt it pandering to my fanboy urges too much, with the plot holes pushing through. I don't feel they 'betrayed' Boba Fetts character, but he just feels too generic in this series.
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[ajp4mgs]

Based on the films it's preposterous to make assumptions about what the *real* Fett would have done because there's no real precedent other than him being sneaky in one film and getting his ass handed to him in the next.

It's funny; you say it's preposterous to make assumptions based on "no real precedent" and I've always felt it was preposterous to claim that there's no real precedent. Where you probably see an overactive imagination in someone who perceives an informed characterization of Boba Fett from nothing more than a couple of minutes of screen time, I see an underactive ability for deductive reasoning in *not* getting a sense for his characterization.

In ESB, Vader brings those bounty hunters in there. We can know this pretty safely because the admiral of the ship (Piett) was surprised to see them there. The reasonable conclusion is that Vader had used the services of the guild before, and is familiar with Fett. We know that Vader is familiar with Boba's methods from the "no disintegrations" line, so it's safe to assume they've had prior interactions. BTW, original Fett's delivery of "as you wish" was a regretful one, so there's an insinuation (to me) that he enjoys the kill.

Why does that setup matter and what does it tell us? It matters because it tells us that Fett has had to deal with Vader in the past. Everyone else tiptoed around Vader because they knew how quick he was to Force-choke someone out for any sort of insolence (a lesson Lando learned quickly). Yet Fett is the only one (other than Tarkin) who actually seems assertive when addressing Vader. The brevity of their two conversations about Han doesn't matter; the context is clear enough.

Vader respects Fett, even if only on a marginal level. When Vader had the heroes "over for dinner," he had Fett with him. For what? A professional courtesy? A sign of respect? A competent backup? Either way says something about Vader's estimation of the guy. Then there's Fett's onscreen actions.

He gave a subtle head turn to spot Luke. He waited to draw him out and went for the kill. Because he's calculated, cunning, and ruthless. Identified a threat, got in position, and went for the kill just in case Luke was a threat to Fett securing the Han bounty. This was after he immediately went for the kill on angry Chewie in the freezing chamber. This isn't an "ask questions first" guy. This is an "eliminate all threats immediately" guy.

He also anticipated Han's "out with the garbage" move. That speaks to a high level of awareness, foresight, and counter-strategy. For me, a couple of minutes of screen time defined key Fett traits well enough to have a sense for his professional conduct. I don't know what he's like at home with his girlfriend, or with his buddies over some beers, but I know what he's like on the job. Or rather: what he *should be* like on the job.

Fett in the movies (5&6) is just a guy with a cool helmet holding a cool gun

Statements like this never cease to blow me away.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Khev and AJP, another aspect that you are perhaps not considering is that Boba?s experience in the Sarlaac changed him. He used to be sure of himself and his place in the galaxy but now he is not. Didn?t those Disney books say that Boba allowed Vanth to keep anduse his armour because he thought he would use it for a better purpose than him or something.

I'm totally willing to allow that his experiences changed him. But what I'd like for you to understand is that some of us (I think I can safely put Khev in this category with me) wish that if the character were to ever be brought back on screen in live action, that we'd get a realization of the character's true potential based on what we knew about him from ESB.

If they were going to bring him back, then doing so by making him an honorable guy who rescues a wounded hunter and seemingly sits around doing nothing for a long time is not exactly what we envisioned if live-action Fett were to ever be an actual reality. Unless there's a "prequel" series of younger Fett, it's going to be difficult for me to not feel some level of disappointment that *this* version is the only extension of the OT character that I'll get to see.

But I'm willing to let the Mando version grow on me. So long as the writing doesn't feel sloppy to me, it'll get more enjoyable with time. But you gotta give me a grace period to mourn the loss of seeing "my Boba Fett."

 

[ZE_501]

It's funny; you say it's preposterous to make assumptions based on "no real precedent" and I've always felt it was preposterous to claim that there's no real precedent. Where you probably see an overactive imagination in someone who perceives an informed characterization of Boba Fett from nothing more than a couple of minutes of screen time, I see an underactive ability for deductive reasoning in *not* getting a sense for his characterization.

Fair, but I'ma stop you right there: I think there's a fine line between leaving things for fans to fill in, and having fans hold the whole damn thing together with feverish gap-filling. This is the weirdest aspect of Star Wars for me. You can make a crap film but fans will fall all over themselves to explain why it's actually good. But I digress! Let's see what you have to say:

In ESB, Vader brings those bounty hunters in there. We can know this pretty safely because the admiral of the ship (Piett) was surprised to see them there. The reasonable conclusion is that Vader had used the services of the guild before, and is familiar with Fett. We know that Vader is familiar with Boba's methods from the "no disintegrations" line, so it's safe to assume they've had prior interactions. BTW, original Fett's delivery of "as you wish" was a regretful one, so there's an insinuation (to me) that he enjoys the kill.

Okay, safe enough.

Why does that setup matter and what does it tell us? It matters because it tells us that Fett has had to deal with Vader in the past. Everyone else tiptoed around Vader because they knew how quick he was to Force-choke someone out for any sort of insolence (a lesson Lando learned quickly). Yet Fett is the only one (other than Tarkin) who actually seems assertive when addressing Vader. The brevity of their two conversations about Han doesn't matter; the context is clear enough.

Vader seems to have a respect for the blue-collar villain. Stormtroopers are subservient to him in the films but don't seem particularly afraid of him. They speak like confident soldiers reporting in, as opposed to the officers who tend to wet themselves. Actually, off the top of my head, characters working with him that weren't walking on eggshells around him:

• Director Krennic - complained a bit, tried to gain favour (mild choking).
• Stormtroopers - brisk and professional.
• Daine Jir (also a Stormtrooper officer) - warned Vader about holding the Princess captive.
• Nahdonnis Praji - brisk and professional.
• Tarkin - spoke like an old friend and even gave him orders.
• Admiral Motti sneered at him (got a mild choking).
• Admiral Ozzel - mildly condescending (he dead).
• General Veers - brisk and professional.
• Boba Fett - laconic and mercenary, but polite.
• Lando Calrissian - complained about the deal and raised his voice to Vader.
• Jerjerrod - a bit nervous but still confident enough to ***** to Vader about the Emperor's expectations and needing more men.

Vader respects Fett, even if only on a marginal level. When Vader had the heroes "over for dinner," he had Fett with him. For what? A professional courtesy? A sign of respect? A competent backup? Either way says something about Vader's estimation of the guy. Then there's Fett's onscreen actions.

He was there to look cool.

Honestly, at most I'd say professional courtesy. They may have just finished negotiating over Han for all we know.

He gave a subtle head turn to spot Luke. He waited to draw him out and went for the kill. Because he's calculated, cunning, and ruthless. Identified a threat, got in position, and went for the kill just in case Luke was a threat to Fett securing the Han bounty.

I already brought up that incident to support why Fett wouldn't immediately attack Din. He's smart and economical, so he knows when *not* to fight. He didn't engage Luke, he took one shot and fled. Because he already had what he wanted. I also don't think he was trying to kill him so much as slow any pursuit. He would have known the whole elaborate villainous plan was for that one grimy rebel.

This was after he immediately went for the kill on angry Chewie in the freezing chamber. This isn't an "ask questions first" guy. This is an "eliminate all threats immediately" guy.

I brought that up too, same context. Rampaging Wookie? Put him in your sights *just in case*. He was displaying caution, he didn't start firing.

He also anticipated Han's "out with the garbage" move. That speaks to a high level of awareness, foresight, and counter-strategy. For me, a couple of minutes of screen time defined key Fett traits well enough to have a sense for his professional conduct.

Riiight, we don't have any points of contention there. I brought up the stealthy tracking too and concluded he was smart, economical, low-key and sneaky, which was to support his conduct in The Mandalorian wherein he would rather talk to Din instead of immediately fight him to the death, which I *believe* was more or less one of Khev's original problems with the characterization. He said "That's not Boba Fett!" (more or less) and I said based on ESB it pretty much was.

Statements like this never cease to blow me away.

Yet in this context that statement doesn't contradict your own conclusions, but someone else insisting that Fett should act like The Terminator when I think he should act like Sun Tzu, based on what I've seen in ESB.

 

[ZE_501]

[...] If they were going to bring him back, then doing so by making him an honorable guy who rescues a wounded hunter and seemingly sits around doing nothing for a long time is not exactly what we envisioned if live-action Fett were to ever be an actual reality.[...]

I've already posted about ESB Fett's actions (or lack thereof) line up with Mando's Fett, but I'll add that Knowledge is Power. He comes across someone kitted out like an assassin all shot up in the desert.

If he saves her, he may gain valuable knowledge at the very least. Turns out he gained a partner in crime (more or less literally).

He should call her Chewie.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Yet in this context that statement doesn't contradict your own conclusions, but someone else insisting that Fett should act like The Terminator when I think he should act like Sun Tzu, based on what I've seen in ESB.

Having your own interpretation of Fett's character based on his limited onscreen scenes is fine. I'm not going to tell you that it's "preposterous" to think he should act like Sun Tzu based on limited screen time. I simply disagree with how you perceive his actions, but that's why any art (like movies) and its subjective nature can make for great discussions. The point is that both of us are now on record giving characterizations for a guy, based on context we gathered, that makes him more than "a guy with a cool helmet holding a cool gun." Fair enough?

 

[Sassafras]

IMO it's too bad both apj and ZE's last few posts are not enshrined out on the 'Net some place - good postings.

I'm not the only one who was puzzled at the Boba cult following. I mean the last "we" saw he was, effectively, dead - until Mando, anyway.

Now someone needs to do the same for Ahsoka Tano, another fandom I just don't get. She's alright. But to me she also seems like the bad penny that always turns up. Now there's a rumor she'll be in the next 3 Star Wars movies.

I'd have preferred Asaj Ventress.

 

[darth dennis]

Vader seems to have a respect for the blue-collar villain. Stormtroopers are subservient to him in the films but don't seem particularly afraid of him. They speak like confident soldiers reporting in, as opposed to the officers who tend to wet themselves. Actually, off the top of my head, characters working with him that weren't walking on eggshells around him:

• Director Krennic - complained a bit, tried to gain favour (mild choking).
• Stormtroopers - brisk and professional.
• Daine Jir (also a Stormtrooper officer) - warned Vader about holding the Princess captive.
• Nahdonnis Praji - brisk and professional.
• Tarkin - spoke like an old friend and even gave him orders.
• Admiral Motti sneered at him (got a mild choking).
  [*]Admiral Ozzel - mildly condescending (he dead).
• General Veers - brisk and professional.
• Boba Fett - laconic and mercenary, but polite.
• Lando Calrissian - complained about the deal and raised his voice to Vader.
• Jerjerrod - a bit nervous but still confident enough to ***** to Vader about the Emperor's expectations and needing more men.

"he dead". You're not going to do any better than that today so you should just call it. Love it!

 

[Sassafras]

"he dead". You're not going to do any better than that today so you should just call it. Love it!

Need to add Leia to the list, tho she's less direct about it. Still rude tho.

 

[The Buffinator]

IMO it's too bad both apj and ZE's last few posts are not enshrined out on the 'Net some place - good postings.

I'm not the only one who was puzzled at the Boba cult following. I mean the last "we" saw he was, effectively, dead - until Mando, anyway.

Now someone needs to do the same for Ahsoka Tano, another fandom I just don't get. She's alright. But to me she also seems like the bad penny that always turns up. Now there's a rumor she'll be in the next 3 Star Wars movies.

I'd have preferred Asajj Ventress.

Why not both? Asajj was my favorite character in TCW.

 

[Otomofan]

I was thrilled about little kid Boba Fett giggling and going "Get 'im dad!" That sucked.

I also didn't like Horny Boba Fett that makes plans to bang Jabba's dancers in the Special Editions, either.

I liked the original theatrical Fett....all business. He was in Jabba's palace cause he was being paid to be there....he drew on Leia the same way he drew on Chewie in the freeze chamber. He shouldn't be distracted by wanting to screw alien babes like Captain Kirk.

Special Editions sucked.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Need to add Leia to the list, tho she's less direct about it. Still rude tho.

In ANH, I get the sense that Vader was treated a bit differently than he was by the time of ESB. It's almost like the interim time lapse either made him even more impatient with fools, or just allowed for wider spread of his (earned) reputation. The Empire was also working under a different pretense prior to ANH, whereas the dissolution of the Galactic Senate gave Vader less reason for any "diplomatic" behavior.

During the ESB timeframe, it's hard for me to imagine anyone having dealt with Vader as being eager to be assertive with him. Most who did, well... they get choked (even pre-ESB like Krennic and Motti). Fett didn't seem like he had any inclination for cowering to Vader in pressing for his interests (profit). That wouldn't come from being unaware of Vader's reputation, especially with several signs pointing to interactions between the two in the past.

The look on everyone's faces at the end of ESB when Vader turns from the window says it all. Lots of clinched buttholes.

I was thrilled about little kid Boba Fett giggling and going "Get 'im dad!" That sucked.

I also didn't like Horny Boba Fett that makes plans to bang Jabba's dancers in the Special Editions, either.

I liked the original theatrical Fett....all business. He was in Jabba's palace cause he was being paid to be there....he drew on Leia the same way he drew on Chewie in the freeze chamber. He shouldn't be distracted by wanting to screw alien babes like Captain Kirk.

Special Editions sucked.

It's amazing how much crap and damage George was able to stuff into what was probably just a few total minutes of changes spread out through three movies. I'm just glad ESB was the least tarnished.