The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[ShadowGuardian]

I mentioned it in one of my first reaction posts to this episode but don't think I've seen anyone else do so until you. I thought it was great that the CG animation even appeared "stop-motionish." The sounds of all the servos and gears moving when they walked almost sounded like they straight up stole some audio samples of T-800's from the original Terminator. I loved it.

I was waiting for someone to bring the terminator comparison up! I'm not even that big of a terminator fan but it was the first thing I thought of too. It's gotta be a bit of a homage right? Seems extremely similar, just with a Star Wars reskin. I thought it was great!

 

[ajp4mgs]

I've been thinking about what someone said here yesterday with respect to this having probably been a one-and-done appearance for Luke. I don't see how that's possible. In order for anything in the Mando timeline to make any sense to me going forward, I don't see how these live action shows can proceed without Luke being a major part of the story.

There is now no way around the fact that Luke is aware of an ongoing Imperial threat. He docked in an Imperial cruiser. He made his way through a ship littered with stormtrooper bodies on the ground. And he dispatched a platoon of never-before-seen dark trooper assassin droids.

All of that and yet he asked no questions? He wasn't curious enough to ask, "So, uh... hey, what's going on here? Who are you guys and how long have you been dealing with these Imperials? Is that their leader over there on the floor?" I can't make any sense of that unless Luke already knows all about what's going on.

Assuming that Luke isn't just going to ignore it, I'm also assuming he's going to be part of the effort to end it, right? Even if the ST remains canon, Luke is still an active Jedi for another 15 years after Mando. If the Imperial Remnant (Gideon, Thrawn, and whatever else) gets defeated, how would Luke not play a key role? Or *the* key role?

 

[JAWS]

I didn't understand in last week's episode why Mando didn't just immediately put the helmet back on the moment the face scan was complete. Sure I get why he took it off, but why did he *keep* it off? There was no reason that the officer and Mayfeld and everyone else had to see what he looked like and if he had just put it back on no one would have batted an eye because those troopers always walked around with their helmets on.

Story wise it was to show just how committed he was and loved the child. If he just took it on and off quick it would not have been seen as much as a sacrifice he was making.

As for Luke, after watching the scene again I'm glad that they didn't have him do much more than just stand there while Din and even Grogu did the "emoting." Because as awesome as his inclusion was for the sake of the story his presence just didn't have the emotional punch as if it was actually Mark Hamill five years after ROTJ. This was no Han TROS moment, or TLJ Luke/R2, TLJ Luke/Yoda moment, TROS Luke lifting the X-Wing, RO Vader, or even on par with fat Boba's rampage in the RR episode.

Yeah... You really cant do much more if its a full CGI recreation. Its just not there.. yet..

Emotionally Han and Kylo in TROS is still the only scene to ever make me tear up in a SW movie. Not sure that would have happened with a CGI Han

You just can't achieve that with a CGI or stand-in actor. So I put his appearance on par with RO Tarkin and Leia. Cool moments of connective tissue between those stories and the OT but not the highlight of say RO Vader or those other examples. I mean now that we're used to the CGI face on a stand-in actress does anyone really get excited about seeing Leia in RO anymore now that the shock of her surprise presence has subsided? Not that I can tell, and I certainly don't. She's just a nice little bookend that ties RO more seamlessly to ANH and that's really the only purpose she serves.

Yep.

But RO Vader? Hell yeah each and every time that moment comes we're watching footage of *new OT Vader* in action! It's beyond awesome! Mando Luke's appearance is great and most importantly completely proper within the context of the story but I think the real moments in that scene are all Din and Grogu. Luke is just a nice backdrop for the emotions of those two and adequate lip service for those who wanted to see younger Luke in action that yes, we was indeed a badass post-ROTJ and here's proof

Top 3 moment in the SW universe for sure.

I mentioned it in one of my first reaction posts to this episode but don't think I've seen anyone else do so until you. I thought it was great that the CG animation even appeared "stop-motionish." The sounds of all the servos and gears moving when they walked almost sounded like they straight up stole some audio samples of T-800's from the original Terminator. I loved it.

It was awesome. And yep I heard those "audio samples" also. Very cool and very menacing.

I actually thought of Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots when the one was trying to knock Mando's block off, then again when they were punching the blast doors lol,,,

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[JAWS]

Wow. Hadn't thought of it like that. Guess we're spoiled now with everything from reboots (Batman, Marvel) to TV versions.

Yeah we all are now.

 

[JAWS]

The person that redid the music in that video did an admirable job, however while beautful and inspiring, that music wasn't appropriate for the episode's focus - Din and Grogu were about to say goodbye to each other, perhaps for a long time, perhaps forever. To give that much fanfare in music to Luke would have taken away from the two main characters saying farewell... it would have detracted from it. The director knew what he was doing keeping Luke's music understated - it was emotional enough without it, just seeing Luke in his prime, without drawing too much focus from the whole point of the show. The music in the episode made the farewell scene that much more powerful without being overly distracting that Luke just walked in.

I'm not saying that the music couldn't have been adjusted some, I'm sure it could, but careful you don't undermine the whole purpose.

THIS is the way.

I can have both.

I get what you are saying... But this is Luke Skywalker we are talking about. Give us that big musical emotional high.

And then we can have our second emotional high when Din and Grodu say goodbye.

I mean this wasn't just Grodu saying goodbye to go with some random Jedi.. It also was not just some random jedi who saved them all from the DTs.

I think we could have handled both the emotion of Luke saving the day with Force music and Din and Grogu saying goodbye.

But hey.. It was still cool and I get what you are saying. I just wanted more goosebumps.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

The original episode title was "The Rescue of the Franchise" but Kennedy thought that was too wordy...

 

[Khev]

I've been thinking about what someone said here yesterday with respect to this having probably been a one-and-done appearance for Luke. I don't see how that's possible. In order for anything in the Mando timeline to make any sense to me going forward, I don't see how these live action shows can proceed without Luke being a major part of the story.

There is now no way around the fact that Luke is aware of an ongoing Imperial threat. He docked in an Imperial cruiser. He made his way through a ship littered with stormtrooper bodies on the ground. And he dispatched a platoon of never-before-seen dark trooper assassin droids.

All of that and yet he asked no questions? He wasn't curious enough to ask, "So, uh... hey, what's going on here? Who are you guys and how long have you been dealing with these Imperials? Is that their leader over there on the floor?" I can't make any sense of that unless Luke already knows all about what's going on.

I don't think there isn't any reason we shouldn't assume that Luke was in the know about Imperial Remnants all along, especially if they're just some isolated warlords here and there. Gideon's ship probably wasn't the first he was aware of nor necessarily the last but again if they're just remnants with no Sith element then I could see him stepping back and letting the New Republic military handle most of the cleanup while he saw to the new Jedi Order. It's him knowing about the full First Order decades in advance of the ST that would be the problem, which this show hasn't indicated as of yet.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I don't think there isn't any reason we shouldn't assume that Luke was in the know about Imperial Remnants all along,

I agree. That's what I'm saying: the only way Luke's lack of concern or curiosity makes sense to me is if he was already aware of an Imperial Remnant before he showed up on that Imperial cruiser. That part is fine.

especially if they're just some isolated warlords here and there. Gideon's ship probably wasn't the first he was aware of nor necessarily the last but again if they're just remnants with no Sith element then I could see him stepping back and letting the New Republic military handle most of the cleanup while he saw to the new Jedi Order.

This is what I've got a problem with. No way can I believe that Luke would be that dismissive of these Imperials as merely being isolated warlords (or something to that effect) for the New Republic to deal with. He knows they had Grogu being held captive. He should know that whatever they'd want with his Force-sensitive blood/power isn't for some rinky dink operation.

It shouldn't take Luke being a genius to figure out that there's a "Sith-like" component to part of the Remnant plans. I'd like to believe that Luke isn't that oblivious or downright stupid. They were aware of, and kidnapped, a powerful being who had been trained at the old Jedi Temple. There's more than enough reason for Luke to be concerned and get involved before it escalates further, right? It'd be weird to me if he walks off with Grogu and never again gives a second thought to what the Empire wanted with him, and how they knew he existed.

It's him knowing about the full First Order decades in advance of the ST that would be the problem, which this show hasn't indicated as of yet.

If the Imperial Remnant ends up becoming the FO, then that narrative ship has already sailed as far as being problematic for Luke since his character has now been brought into the conflict.

Either he doesn't get involved any further and comes off looking foolish or irresponsible when this thing ultimately gets out of control. Or, he gets involved and somehow failed to prevent the FO escalation. I'm having trouble seeing how either scenario ends up being good for his character.

The Jedi exist to preserve the peace, and Luke is the most powerful at the time. How does he stay on the sidelines knowing what he knows?

 

[Spartan Rex]

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[TurdFurgusonsHat]

https://www.thewrap.com/sebastian-stan-luke-skywalker-mandelorian/

If they want to cast him in a different show, I guess whatever. But to put anyone but Hamill in this scene in this moment would have been a complete disgrace. Twitter is full of absolute morons.

 

[BoosterGold06]

I've been thinking about what someone said here yesterday with respect to this having probably been a one-and-done appearance for Luke. I don't see how that's possible. In order for anything in the Mando timeline to make any sense to me going forward, I don't see how these live action shows can proceed without Luke being a major part of the story.

It?s a vast galaxy and unless one of the upcoming shows focuses on the big picture (the current republic government and the remaining imperial threat) then there?s plenty of side adventure stories that don?t need to include Luke. Plus maybe all the shows will intertwine and lead us to a theatrical movie culmination of Thrawn?s forces vs Luke and the Republic. But otherwise this show is about Mando and I suspect moving forward we?ll probably be brought into the battle for Mandalore. We haven?t seen his original clan since season one either.

 

[ajp4mgs]

It?s a vast galaxy and unless one of the upcoming shows focuses on the big picture (the current republic government and the remaining imperial threat) then there?s plenty of side adventure stories that don?t need to include Luke. Plus maybe all the shows will intertwine and lead us to a theatrical movie culmination of Thrawn?s forces vs Luke and the Republic. But otherwise this show is about Mando and I suspect moving forward we?ll probably be brought into the battle for Mandalore. We haven?t seen his original clan since season one either.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and I know that a lot of upcoming content won't deal with the Imperial Remnant (possible future FO) story. But Moff Gideon isn't going away. The name drop of Thrawn isn't going to be left dangling without followup. Din will likely reunite (at least briefly) with Grogu.

Put all these things together with the fact that there's a show about Ahsoka, and a show about "rangers of the Republic," that will both crossover into the Mandalorian show and I think you'd agree that the Imperial Remnant is going to be the antagonist. It will be Gideon. It will be Thrawn. It will involve whatever they were aiming for with Grogu's blood.

So my question is, will Luke be involved? If not, yikes. If so, then they're gonna have to thread a really thin eye of the needle to make it work if after his heroics the FO takes over. For those who think an ST retcon is coming, then I can understand being confident in where this is all going. But if the ST stays in place, Luke's involvement (or lack of it) will be tricky, imo.

 

[Khev]

I agree. That's what I'm saying: the only way Luke's lack of concern or curiosity makes sense to me is if he was already aware of an Imperial Remnant before he showed up on that Imperial cruiser. That part is fine.



This is what I've got a problem with. No way can I believe that Luke would be that dismissive of these Imperials as merely being isolated warlords (or something to that effect) for the New Republic to deal with. He knows they had Grogu being held captive. He should know that whatever they'd want with his Force-sensitive blood/power isn't for some rinky dink operation.

It shouldn't take Luke being a genius to figure out that there's a "Sith-like" component to part of the Remnant plans. I'd like to believe that Luke isn't that oblivious or downright stupid. They were aware of, and kidnapped, a powerful being who had been trained at the old Jedi Temple. There's more than enough reason for Luke to be concerned and get involved before it escalates further, right? It'd be weird to me if he walks off with Grogu and never again gives a second thought to what the Empire wanted with him, and how they knew he existed.



If the Imperial Remnant ends up becoming the FO, then that narrative ship has already sailed as far as being problematic for Luke since his character has now been brought into the conflict.

Either he doesn't get involved any further and comes off looking foolish or irresponsible when this thing ultimately gets out of control. Or, he gets involved and somehow failed to prevent the FO escalation. I'm having trouble seeing how either scenario ends up being good for his character.

The Jedi exist to preserve the peace, and Luke is the most powerful at the time. How does he stay on the sidelines knowing what he knows?

Gideon is still just a ragtag remnant trying to find a single dose of midichlorian blood for a small handful of clone engineers to play with. I don't think that in and of itself demands Luke's full attention unless there's some indication that a wider operation is going on. All the top individuals of such proceedings have been fulling apprehended and their main research facility and star cruiser have been destroyed or captured. Do I assume that Luke would be very interested in becoming privy to everything that the New Republic will learn from all of that? Sure. Do we know for a fact that Gideon's doings will be traced to the formation of the FO? Not at all. Which is why I'd be fine with him staying out of any future TV shows from here on out.

 

[TheDucky]

Easy there champ, don't get carried away.

I loathe the Disney**** Trilogy with every molecule of my being, but I'm a realist. The best we can hope for is for them to just kind of quietly stop talking about them, and they won't do that after dumping billions of dollars into those atrocious movies.

There will be no "retcon" or "re-do." The movie industry as we know it might be completely over anyway.

It would appear the future of Star Wars is gonna be these limited TV series, so I'm sure there will be plenty more fan friendly cameos here and there, but no, we're never going to get the proper continuing adventures of Luke, Han, and Leia like we always wanted. (Unless they recast all three, but that seems unlikely.)

I don't think there will be any more "trilogies." That's the past. Streaming is the future. Cameos and easter eggs that will make people lose their minds so Star Wars will trend on Twitter for a few days.

The Disney Trilogy was absolute retail poison as far as merch goes. Mandalorian was a smash hit. So I'm guessing we'll see baby Jabba, baby Max Rebo, baby R2 and more in the coming years since that's the only thing that sells.

Maybe we'll even get little kid versions of Darth Vader and Boba Fett....wait...never mind.

Even though I harbor immense aversion towards ST. But seriously you're just like the reverse version of jye or Khev with their hatred to the Prequel

There are still plenty of reasons why I don't believe Disney will just eliminate the ST from canon.

They spent billions on the films and what the PT taught them if anything was that eventually what was hated in SW will be embraced in SW so just sit quietly on your investments and be patient. AOTC is almost at masterpiece level with the doomcockers give it time lol

Spent billions on the theme park but that will probably be updated to Mando Land now that the ST fizzled out and Baby Yoda caught on like a weekly California fire.

I'm not certain if Disney is just going to piss on carrie fishers legacy like that.

Or Harrison Ford for that matter who is still alive and still working with Disney on Indy.

Rey Daisy Ridley like or not still has a fan base she weathered the ST problems in a highly professional manner as did Oscar. Boyega is an idiot.

Hamill I think still partly hates the ST lol

I honestly don't think you guys are getting the retcon you are hoping for.

They will just stay quiet on it and let Acolyte do all the talking lol

Anyways Han Luke and Leia are in them ya'll crazy if you think i'm pulverizing them into oblivion.

Yeah... There will be no retcon...

These ST haters.. I just dont know what to say.. They are only getting a taste of what the OG SW fans had to deal with after the PT came out.

No new movies in site, no Disney plus, no live action TV shows to soften the blow. Live action SW was completed. There was not ST or other SW movies to look forward to. Hell we could not even hold out hope for a remake or retcon because that just wasn't done back then.

We were stuck with what we got.

But we were open to shows like TCW, Mando, references in other SW media to allow the PT a 2nd chance.

They are still poorly directed / written / acted movies but at least now that are accepted as canon.. Hell even the M-count made us accept one of the worst ideas in all of SW because it appears in a cool show.

IDK.. I saw and heard enough in Mando to make me believe that the events that happen 30 some years in the future are not being ignored.

You all are missing the point. Disney doesn?t care about canon or theme parks or legacies or movie theaters... they care about money.

I?m being serious when I say this. A new trilogy, with Luke, Grogu, R2, Ahsoka, Din... that is worth BILLIONS upon BILLIONS in sales. That isn?t even an exaggeration. Disney knows this too. Baby Yoda craze hasn?t died down. He is more popular than every single ST character combined.

Disney knows they can make more off that group moving forward than they can on the ST group. They won?t sacrifice future storylines/content/merch to stay within continuity.

When we heard those ST retcon rumors I believe those popped up in post-production of Mando. That is no coincidence. Add in all the times Disney retconned the ST already....

it is happening.

Awesome episode, loved it. I'm left with a question now...

Does this mean Kylo Ren killed Grogu?

Sorry if it's been mentioned, I haven't had time to read the previous posts.

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No because Disney isn?t dumb enough to kill off the future of the franchise to some two star crap villain.

Yep Favreau confirmed that Kylo killed Grogu, absorbed his power, and then passed it on to Rey.

Ducky implosion in 5, 4, 3, ...

When I read that, in my mind I immediately said ?ohhh just **** off?

 

[Spartan Rex]

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Hamills body double and voice actor:
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[TheDucky]

Where are all the new Rey comic books and novels following her story and the galaxies after TROS?

Where is all the Rey merchandise?

Why hasn’t Disney committed to a massive mass media project following their story?

Ohh, I know why.

It’s because Rey isn’t even 1/10th as marketable or popular as Grogu, Din, Luke, Ahsoka, etc... it’s because it doesn’t sell... and it’s because Disney is actively planning the retcon of the ST.

There is no other explanation.

 

[a-dev]

Well the thing is, sure Disney loves money, but if they can both make that money AND not have to retract the ST films they will choose that option.

I'm with you on wanting them to be erased - just not sure it's realistic to expect that to happen.

 

[Spartan Rex]

 

[Wor-Gar]

Gotta love when Luke pulls that DT to him so he can cut him down. Very Vader.

I also loved that Mando vs Gideon stayed in the old-style saber duel and was still exciting. No wild flips, force pushes, impossible balancing, flying or anything else. Just simple combat with a few cool simple moves and done.

 

[The Buffinator]

You all are missing the point. Disney doesn?t care about canon or theme parks or legacies or movie theaters... they care about money.

I?m being serious when I say this. A new trilogy, with Luke, Grog u, R2, Ahsoka, Din... that is worth BILLIONS upon BILLIONS in sales. That isn?t even an exaggeration. Disney knows this too. Baby Yoda craze hasn?t died down. He is more popular than every single ST character combined.

Disney knows they can make more off that group moving forward than they can on the ST group. They won?t sacrifice future storylines/content/merch to stay within continuity.

When we heard those ST retcon rumors I believe those popped up in post-production of Mando. That is no coincidence. Add in all the times Disney retconned the ST already....

It is happening.

If the industry rebounds post-COVID then yes they probably could make serious bank with new movies centered upon those characters, although IMO Luke would either need to be recast or be peripheral to the main action (i.e., the CGI is still too dodgy to make him a main character). But I also think most of the best stories of that era could already be slated for The Mandalorian, Ahsoka and The Rangers Of The New Republic. Unless they were to suddenly change the plans they laid out just last week, it's unlikely such a movie trilogy would ever take place. Regardless, there's still plenty of time to tell these new stories before they would infringe on ST First Order territory, so no retconning is required.

BTW, what ST retconning by Disney are you referring to?