The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[ZE_501]

I disagree , but find your analogy highly amusing

...you're free to disagree, of course -- but I would ask you to compare the dialogue and internal logic of this segment to any episode of Andor:

I think it's self-evident that the writing is dumbed down, the characters come across as childish, and the situations stretch suspension of disbelief further than Andor's plot devices.

I think it's aping the quieter tone and psychological sketches, but it's very clumsy in direct comparison.

This is like Andor Karaoke!

 

[ScoutingForToys]

I was looking forward to this one. Picking up from last episode, a longer than usual runtime etc
Reading these comments, sounds like I'm in for a disappointment.
I really liked Andor but have zero belief that Favreau can write to the level of Andor.
He needs to stick to his fun swashbuckling, leave your brain at home adventure stuff that he's done with Mando so far.

 

[chrisstbh]

I was looking forward to this one. Picking up from last episode, a longer than usual runtime etc
Reading these comments, sounds like I'm in for a disappointment.
I really liked Andor but have zero belief that Favreau can write to the level of Andor.
He needs to stick to his fun swashbuckling, leave your brain at home adventure stuff that he's done with Mando so far.

It’s nothing like Andor, dunno where these comparisons are coming from, it’s set on Coruscant and there’s some light politics and that’s it.

 

[ZE_501]

I really liked Andor but have zero belief that Favreau can write to the level of Andor.

He cannot. Not even with the good crayons.

He needs to stick to his fun swashbuckling, leave your brain at home adventure stuff that he's done with Mando so far.

He should. And the opening of the episode is very much worth watching. The middle segment is not only poorly done but it's also serving a darker, more malevolent purpose that we would do well not to openly name.

 

[ZE_501]

It’s nothing like Andor, dunno where these comparisons are coming from, it’s set on Coruscant and there’s some light politics and that’s it.

It's not even politics so much as caricature to force things in a certain direction.

 

[ScoutingForToys]

It’s nothing like Andor, dunno where these comparisons are coming from, it’s set on Coruscant and there’s some light politics and that’s it.

Ah so it's a surface level comparison. That's OK.
I liked Andor, but without the good writing and dialogue, it wouldn't have worked.
I don't think Favreau could pull off a show like Andor, his writing just isn't good enough.
I have room for both, shows like Andor and shows like Mando.
I would have liked to keep the momentum going with Din and Bo and carry on that plot line.
Ep2 started to get things going after the meh first episode. Going off on a tangent for ep3 might not be the best idea.

 

[chrisstbh]

Ah so it's a surface level comparison. That's OK.
I liked Andor, but without the good writing and dialogue, it wouldn't have worked.
I don't think Favreau could pull off a show like Andor, his writing just isn't good enough.
I have room for both, shows like Andor and shows like Mando.
I would have liked to keep the momentum going with Din and Bo and carry on that plot line.
Ep2 started to get things going after the meh first episode. Going off on a tangent for ep3 might not be the best idea.

Bo is once again the highlight in this episode.

 

[Sassafras]

...you're free to disagree, of course -- but I would ask you to compare the dialogue and internal logic of this segment to any episode of Andor:

I think it's self-evident that the writing is dumbed down, the characters come across as childish, and the situations stretch suspension of disbelief further than Andor's plot devices.

I think it's aping the quieter tone and psychological sketches, but it's very clumsy in direct comparison.

This is like Andor Karaoke!

I'll disagree; in that IMO Andor often had the slow burn pace, which I'm good with, IMO it's realistic, if not to a lot of the audiences' taste - any more than some on YT just can't stand the fact that Bo-Katan kicked butt last show - 'coz it's "supposed" to be Mando as butt-kicker, all of the time.

I'm shallow enough tho that while for THIS show - not sure most of an episode needed to be devoted to this plot thread, maybe it was written into contracts. But I did appreciate the slow gentle corruption that went on.

On the other hand some intriguing threads were left hanging, and based on the trailer assume the show will be ratcheting things up.

 

[ZE_501]

I'll disagree; in that IMO Andor often had the slow burn pace, which I'm good with,

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with exactly?

 

[Dark_Knight_89]

He cannot. Not even with the good crayons.

He should. And the opening of the episode is very much worth watching. The middle segment is not only poorly done but it's also serving a darker, more malevolent purpose that we would do well not to openly name.

Could you elaborate on this please?

I fear I know what you are referring to, but I need to know for certain.

I could watch it myself, but I'm not in a position to watch until much later today.

 

[Sassafras]

I thought folks who really liked Andor might like the middle part. I personally found Andor to be sort of boring (yeah, I know, I have no taste or culture whatsoever).

Well for me, yeah, except going into season 3 Mando, I've got vague expectations of what I expect to see.

So having to re-calibrate is a bit jarring. Andor tho, I expect the tension to ratchet slowly. Did think SW uber-fans would enjoy this tho. It was an interesting take

Spoiler

on life and society after the Empire, including a society that is trying to be nice
to former Empire criminals, and also some bumbling aspects of that.

 

[ZE_501]

Could you elaborate on this please?

I fear I know what you are referring to, but I need to know for certain.

I could watch it myself, but I'm not in a position to watch until much later today.

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New Republic is portrayed as incompetent and bureaucratic, which sets up Leia going off to build the 'Resistance'.

Cloner scientist from Season 1 is going Full Frankenstein in that he wants to continue his work in contravention of New Republic law, but still wants it to be 'used for good'.

Imperial Remnant has agents create a very elaborate scheme to break him/access his brain, no doubt to enact Palpatine's contingency plans that roll into the events of Disney's attempt at a Sequel Trilogy.

 

[Sassafras]

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with exactly?

"I can't imagine how anyone can compare that segment to Andor as an equivalent. It's like Favreau or whoever tried to mimic Andor with crayons on their juice and cookies break. It's a laughably poor copy at best."

Thought the writing and buildup, and acting, was pretty good. Not the exact grittiness and ever present sense of despair, hopelessness, and grim determination of Andor - but this is a different series.

So yeah, the pacing, and not being sure of a character's motivations until the end - and still not sure - reminded me of Andor.

 

[Dark_Knight_89]

Spoiler

New Republic is portrayed as incompetent and bureaucratic, which sets up Leia going off to build the 'Resistance'.

Cloner scientist from Season 1 is going Full Frankenstein in that he wants to continue his work in contravention of New Republic law, but still wants it to be 'used for good'.

Imperial Remnant has agents create a very elaborate scheme to break him/access his brain, no doubt to enact Palpatine's contingency plans that roll into the events of Disney's attempt at a Sequel Trilogy.

Thanks man.

If this is indeed the direction it is headed (and is so explicit in it's direction that it cannot be compartmentalised and wrapped up in its on way), then that's a real shame. I genuinely thought they wouldn't be going down this route so directly, given the time gap in the chronology. Dammit.

 

[Jmek]

...you're free to disagree, of course -- but I would ask you to compare the dialogue and internal logic of this segment to any episode of Andor:

I think it's self-evident that the writing is dumbed down, the characters come across as childish, and the situations stretch suspension of disbelief further than Andor's plot devices.

I think it's aping the quieter tone and psychological sketches, but it's very clumsy in direct comparison.

This is like Andor Karaoke!

Well it’s horses for courses so to speak. The writing for me wasn’t dumbed down, the performances were good and I enjoyed the operation paper clip connotations.
Star Wars, for me, has always been an eclectic mix of tone. It can be dark, whimsical, thoughtful, goofy, scary, exciting and yes even a bit childish at times, but that’s why I love it.

 

[The Buffinator]

As I surmised last week, Bo-Katan is keeping the existence of the Mythosaur to herself for now. Between that and her now being "redeemed" as well, things are bound to get very interesting when it comes to the leadership of the Mandalorians. But man is Bo going to have a bad hair day when she finally takes off that helmet again lol.

It seems obvious to me that

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Elia Kane is still working for Moff Gideon and she was tasked with eliminating Doctor Pershing in order to protect Gideon, Snoke, etc.. I like how she didn't just shoot him and instead maintained her New Republic cover and fried his brains instead, which will probably be attributed to an equipment malfunction. I know most people don't want this show to tie to the ST in any way whatsoever, but if done right showing how the seeds of the First Order grew within the New Republic could be quite compelling, similar to Hydra growing inside of SHIELD in the MCU. Maybe after Andor is over they can get Tony Gilroy to write/direct that content.

 

[ZE_501]

"I can't imagine how anyone can compare that segment to Andor as an equivalent. It's like Favreau or whoever tried to mimic Andor with crayons on their juice and cookies break. It's a laughably poor copy at best."

Thought the writing and buildup, and acting, was pretty good. Not the exact grittiness and ever present sense of despair, hopelessness, and grim determination of Andor - but this is a different series.

So yeah, the pacing, and not being sure of a character's motivations until the end - and still not sure - reminded me of Andor.

I don't mean this in a pejorative sense, having interacted with you a lot, but wow, it's like we watched two different things. Our opinion aligns in very broad strokes as I said: "I think it's aping the quieter tone and psychological sketches, but it's very clumsy in direct comparison."

But you really think it's reasonably well done ... huh. Very well then. You seem to be giving it a pass on context.

 

[darth dennis]

It’s nothing like Andor, dunno where these comparisons are coming from, it’s set on Coruscant and there’s some light politics and that’s it.

I found Andor kind of a boring grind...I guess that's the comparison I was making. And no, I don't want to debate anyone on Andor, I didn't love it, others did. That's 100% cool with me. As Mandible said, Eps 1 and 2 felt like a toy commercial...I love a good toy commercial.

 

[ZE_501]

Thanks man.

If this is indeed the direction it is headed (and is so explicit in it's direction that it cannot be compartmentalised and wrapped up in its on way), then that's a real shame. I genuinely thought they wouldn't be going down this route so directly, given the time gap in the chronology. Dammit.

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I don't see where else it can lead to, although it's *possible* I'm wrong. Leia isn't mentioned but it does provide a premise as to why she would have splintered off.

It seems obvious to me that

Spoiler

Elia Kane is still working for Moff Gideon and she was tasked with eliminating Doctor Pershing in order protecting Gideon, Snoke, etc.. I like how she didn't just shoot him and instead maintained her New Republic cover and fried his brains instead, which will probably be attributed to an equipment malfunction.

Not a bad take -- I read it as them

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breaking him to make him more malleable, or to somehow download what he knows, because he kept explicitly referencing it was a *mind flayer* which I believe was Imperial interrogation tech.

 

[ZE_501]

And no, I don't want to debate anyone on Andor,