The officially unofficial Grey Hulk thread

[daelith]

I'm very capable of making personal attacks, but have refrained. So instead of saying "grow up" or "get a life", etc., please add something to the thread. And if you're altogether happy with the way this one was handle--and you wish this method to continue in the future--just say so and leave it at that. Otherwise, see if you can discuss the following points, which I assume other members can add to:

1) Forum is more useful than newsletter. We're told not to post newsletter, conditioned to expect a date/time for pre-order, etc...yet in the end, forum is more useful. Faith in newsletter = nil.
2) Newsletter supposed to give heads-up to exclusives; but in this case, a regular pre-order is the de-facto "exclusive."
3) Exclusive meant to reward "loyal customers" --yet does not take into account sales history, which would probably be more accurate in identifying "loyal customers."
4) Exclusives aims to allude scalpers not "flippers", but Sideshow's definition of the two is dependent on motive, which is impossible to determine at point of sale.
5) How big does Sideshow believe their "loyal customer" base to be? And to what extent does angering the 100's of those loyal customers justify the buzz that's being created.
6) To what extent is this just prelude to release a Gray Hulk Regular Edition (which I'm deadest again, and I'm also deadset again increase the Gray Exclusive #).

 

[ferlin]

To live in europe and order from sideshow is only negative.
1. Time different.
2. Expensive shiping cost
3. Never get low numbers.
4. Long waiting for the item`s
Sideshow move to Europe.

 

[Bullseye]

I am in no way trying to redicule or offend, but I think the nature of the piece is largely misunderstood. The Gray Hulk seems to me to be a reward for those listening to the podcast, the Green Exclusive is what we are accustomed to - with newsletter warning.

Wouldn't it be better to reward the people who are actually buying their product rather than people listening to their podcast. They would know from my details that i have ordered all of the Marvel lines both 1/4 scale and versus. I know you are pointing out a fact and this is not meant to be a counter point to you just a suggestion to SS that in future you give your loyal buyers a heads up and not give scalpers/flippers a better chance of getting a very limited run ahead of someone whom you know has been buying your entire Marvel Line.

 

[Bullseye]

To live in europe and order from sideshow is only negative.
1. Time different.
2. Expensive shiping cost
3. Never get low numbers.
4. Long waiting for the item`s
Sideshow move to Europe.

We can only hope. They have a EU wareshouse which is basically a distribution house. But your right the prices for non-exclusives is very expensive when compared with ebay prices. Now if you want exclusives you buy direct from SS yet you do not get rewarded for buying direct from SS. And thats the bottom line, you are not rewarded for buying direct from SS.

 

[LOTRFan]

Wouldn't it be better to reward the people who are actually buying their product rather than people listening to their podcast. They would know from my details that i have ordered all of the Marvel lines both 1/4 scale and versus. I know you are pointing out a fact and this is not meant to be a counter point to you just a suggestion to SS that in future you give your loyal buyers a heads up and not give scalpers/flippers a better chance of getting a very limited run ahead of someone whom you know has been buying your entire Marvel Line.

There is no way or reason to rebut this, it would just be a different way of doing things. I think your suggestion is a good one Bullseye, and SS has done this in the past (CT hammer, the constant FREE stuff included in orders, etc).

As for my post earlier, what I still think needs to be addressed is WHAT this figure was designed to be. In my opinion the issues raised by daelith and others are moot, if this was a reward to those searching the SS site. If that is the case, to the winners go the spoils. The rest myself included, can be rewarded with the real exclusive ... a green Hulk.

 

[Bullseye]

There is no way or reason to rebut this, it would just be a different way of doing things. I think your suggestion is a good one Bullseye, and SS has done this in the past (CT hammer, the constant FREE stuff included in orders, etc).

As for my post earlier, what I still think needs to be addressed is WHAT this figure was designed to be. In my opinion the issues raised by daelith and others are moot, if this was a reward to those searching the SS site. If that is the case, to the winners go the spoils. The rest myself included, can be rewarded with the real exclusive ... a green Hulk.

I agree it was needed to breath live into the line as they seem to find it difficult to sell and are not holding their value on the secondary market. Again i have no problem with the #50 it was only the time posted.

 

[LOTRFan]

I agree it was needed to breath live into the line as they seem to find it difficult to sell and are not holding their value on the secondary market. Again i have no problem with the #50 it was only the time posted.

And to that I have no response other than I am sorry it didn't work for you.

 

[Bullseye]

And to that I have no response other than I am sorry it didn't work for you.

Glad we are still friends. Congrats again to the lucky 50.

 

[oxbeard]

Wouldn't it be better to reward the people who are actually buying their product rather than people listening to their podcast. They would know from my details that i have ordered all of the Marvel lines both 1/4 scale and versus. I know you are pointing out a fact and this is not meant to be a counter point to you just a suggestion to SS that in future you give your loyal buyers a heads up and not give scalpers/flippers a better chance of getting a very limited run ahead of someone whom you know has been buying your entire Marvel Line.

Not trying to pick on you here Bulls and I completely agree that it would be nice to reward loyal fans of a particular line. The only problem I have with this is how do you define loyal fan? There are a lot of collectors just like myself who started out ordering everything directly through sideshow, but because of expanding interest in all of the lines have had to cut back to only ordering exclusive directly while ordering the rest through retailers or eBay at a huge savings. This has been the only way to afford everything.

It will be easy to track direct orders but currently impossible to track orders made outside of sideshow. Does this make those who buy their merchandise elsewhere any less loyal than those who buy direct?

Granted we are supposed to see some Rewards program later this year maybe and most likely it will be rewards for direct purchases only. Not saying this is wrong and I plan to participate for the exclusive purchases I make direct with Sideshow, My point only is for those that want rewards based on loyalty should you exclude those collectors who have to buy there items retail to save money? If not, how do you equal the playing field?

 

[daelith]

There is no way or reason to rebut this, it would just be a different way of doing things. I think your suggestion is a good one Bullseye, and SS has done this in the past (CT hammer, the constant FREE stuff included in orders, etc).

As for my post earlier, what I still think needs to be addressed is WHAT this figure was designed to be. In my opinion the issues raised by daelith and others are moot, if this was a reward to those searching the SS site. If that is the case, to the winners go the spoils. The rest myself included, can be rewarded with the real exclusive ... a green Hulk.

1) Post #1: Reward "dedicated Marvel collectors."
2) Post #1: This "was a normal pre-order offered to newsletter members first through the newsletter", which was also also mentioned in their podcast. I got my newsletter on Friday. Would you rather be a person on the SS site or a person reading the forums when it went up? Do you think my point that the forum is more important than Sideshow's newsletter is moot?
3) Check on definition of "De-Facto"

 

[Bullseye]

Not trying to pick on you here Bulls and I completely agree that it would be nice to reward loyal fans of a particular line. The only problem I have with this is how do you define loyal fan? There are a lot of collectors just like myself who started out ordering everything directly through sideshow, but because of expanding interest in all of the lines have had to cut back to only ordering exclusive directly while ordering the rest through retailers or eBay at a huge savings. This has been the only way to afford everything.

It will be easy to track direct orders but currently impossible to track orders made outside of sideshow. Does this make those who buy their merchandise elsewhere any less loyal than those who buy direct?

Granted we are supposed to see some Rewards program later this year maybe and most likely it will be rewards for direct purchases only. Not saying this is wrong and I plan to participate for the exclusive purchases I make direct with Sideshow, My point only is for those that want rewards based on loyalty should you exclude those collectors who have to buy there items retail to save money? If not, how do you equal the playing field?

Thats a valid point oxbeard but aren't the exclusives only available through SS? Are we not referring to exclusives. I agree it makes sense to purchase non-exclusives outside SS, example being the Red Elektra which looks better than the white. But i ordered the Red Direct, maybe i am stupid for ordering direct but i just love the exclusives offered to date.

Could you imagine if the Green Exclusive was sold out before the morning too. I wonder how exclusive thats actually going to be.

 

[oxbeard]

Are we not referring to exclusives. . . . ..

I may have misunderstood. And it wasn't just your post Bulls, I have seen several posts referring to loyalty to a line. Which I figured consisted of the entire line both exclusives and non-exclusives.

Could you imagine if the Green Exclusive was sold out before the morning too. I wonder how exclusive thats actually going to be.

I know what you mean, that is actually almost how it was for me with the exclusive Han Solo PF. Of course its ES is 5x that of the Grey Hulk, but by the time I got up Sat morning I ended up getting one of the last ones. And in the end I ended up liking the regular better and gave my exclusive up to a waitlist member. And I actually happen to like the Green Hulk exclusive better than the Grey Hulk exclusive too. Not really motivated by the ES.

 

[Bullseye]

I may have misunderstood. And it wasn't just your post Bulls, I have seen several posts referring to loyalty to a line. Which I figured consisted of the entire line both exclusives and non-exclusives.



I know what you mean, that is actually almost how it was for me with the exclusive Han Solo PF. Of course its ES is 5x that of the Grey Hulk, but by the time I got up Sat morning I ended up getting one of the last ones. And in the end I ended up liking the regular better and gave my exclusive up to a waitlist member. And I actually happen to like the Green Hulk exclusive better than the Grey Hulk exclusive too. Not really motivated by the ES.

Hey we need a new 1/4 scale announcement.

 

[tomandshell]

And I actually happen to like the Green Hulk exclusive better than the Grey Hulk exclusive too. Not really motivated by the ES.

You're not alone. I have been showing my friends and family the picture of the Gray Hulk that I managed to order, with great excitement and enthusiasm. Every single one of them, with no exception, said something like: "That's stupid! Why is he gray? The Hulk is supposed to be green. Can't you get it in green?" Show somebody something exciting and they yawn... As a cultural icon, the Hulk is famous for being green, and that is how many people would prefer him.


EDIT: Thanks, pitchin! That didn't make any sense...

 

[pitchin]

You're not alone. I have been showing my friends and family the picture of the Gray Hulk that I managed to order, with great excitement and enthusiasm. Every single one of them, with no exception, said something like: "That's stupid! Why is he green? The Hulk is supposed to be gray. Can't you get it in green?" Show somebody something exciting and they yawn... As a cultural icon, the Hulk is famous for being green, and that is how many people would prefer him.

eh?

 

[screamingmetal]

I was never going to order this statue anyway, but I missed all the excitement being off line.
Personally, I've never been that big of a Hulk fan but I've always liked the Gray Hulk version the most. I've always understood that he's smarter and more in control then the usual Green version. There's a Smart Green version out there too, but that version never interested me. My interest is mainly because of the Mister Fixit persona of the Hulk.
It's a great looking statue whether it's green or gray anyways.

 

[Shai]

I was never going to order this statue anyway, but I missed all the excitement being off line.
Personally, I've never been that big of a Hulk fan but I've always liked the Gray Hulk version the most. I've always understood that he's smarter and more in control then the usual Green version. There's a Smart Green version out there too, but that version never interested me. My interest is mainly because of the Mister Fixit persona of the Hulk.
It's a great looking statue whether it's green or gray anyways.

i ALSO PREFER THE GREY HULK FOR THAT REASON:LESS STRONG, SHORTER, SMARTER,WISE-CRACK A LA WOLVERINE, AND THE jOE fIXIT CHARACTER WAS A GREAT ADDITION TO THE HULK STORY AT THAT TIME...

 

[The Josh]

As the old saying goes ya snooze ya loose. I think Matt said it the best that people who took the time to listen to the podcast where given a great hint to be on the look for something. The people listening to that are most likely as loyal a customer as those that don't. So they got rewarded for taking the time. With regards to being fair to all time zones well sorry they are a US company trying to put things up that not only match the world but the US as well. If some outside the US can't handle that well I'm sorry but hey it happens. I also agree with another poster that it's really rude and arrogant for people to think SS should bend to their personal need. That's what I keep seeing more and more though. Could this have possibly been handled a little better of course I'm sure there is something in this whole mess that coule have been, but for some to have said the things they've said is just utter bull.

If you live in the US and missed out on this i have no sympathy for you if you live outside Europe, Asia or Australia then i do. Get it through your head, this was posted (my time) at 3.00am a full 3 hours after the normal posting time. And don't ever refer to me as a cry baby when your obviously not mature enough to put across your arguement without insulting people.

Well, with that kind of statement I sure as heck don't feel bad for ya now. So if your in the US like me and had to coach a basketball game and missed the announcement. That's just too freaking bad for you but since I'm a poor EU person that was a sleep feel bad for me. Give me a ******* break. Get it through your head that it went up at the best time for as many people as possible. Again they are a US COMAPNY!!! They have to try and please as many of us as possible as well. Sorry you where a sleep but if they try and do it when your brite eyed and bushy tailed someone else might be a sleep. So I ask what makes you so special?????? I won't refer to you as a cry baby since I think your posts do a good enough job for you.

 

[tomandshell]

The most important thing is not that it went up at a "good" or a "bad" time, but that it went up at a consistent time. It went up at the same time that it did the week before, and there was a thread on this board alerting you to that fact last week. (LINK) If you were excited to order the piece, then you knew what time to expect it to go up. Sideshow did not deviate from last week's timeframe. I was excited to be the first to order Skinner, and I was excited to be the first to order Hulk. In the case of Hulk, Sideshow gave me a little something extra to be excited about. If you wanted to be the first to order Hulk, you knew what time to do so. Had you known what was going to happen, many more would have made a point to be the first. Sideshow was rewarding those who make it a point to be first without knowing. (Although, once again, they gave us a clue in the podcast...)

 

[The Josh]

It went up at the same time that it did the week before, and there was a thread on this board alerting you to that fact last week. (LINK) If you were excited to order the piece, then you knew what time to expect it to go up. Sideshow did not deviate from last week's timeframe.

That's one thing I've been saying. The last 2-3 newsletters have been getting posted on SS site at the same time so if your even half alive you should've noticed this.