jye4ever
Broke and happy
Much longer cut of this movie exists it was cut down even worse than DS2.
Thor: Love and Thunder **BEWARE SPOILERS**
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Feedback so far on this movie seems to go either direction but that's the same with DS2 and I ended up liking that. Then again, Raimi had somewhat of a unique take but Taika is more in line with the typical MCU comedy which has made MCU bland.
RavenAsh
Morgan, congratulations! You almost got them.
Yeah I saw Portman and Bale, funnily enough the two I wanted more from, have both said they had heaps of stuff cut. It’s tough. I feel like it could have been like 15-20 minutes longer and it would have been better for it.
greygoose
Super Freak
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ObiGlennKenobi
Super Freak
Just got out of seeing this.
Terrible,terrible movie.
Christian Bale easily the standout,Portman 2nd.
Thor was indeed emasculated.
Korg and the Guardians..pointless.
This movie tried too hard to be funny...and it suffers for it.
Marvel on the way out now.
Terrible,terrible movie.
Christian Bale easily the standout,Portman 2nd.
Thor was indeed emasculated.
Korg and the Guardians..pointless.
This movie tried too hard to be funny...and it suffers for it.
Marvel on the way out now.
Knightstalker
Super Freak
Agreed, just got back from the cinema and I thought this movie pretty much sucked. Bale felt like he should have been in an entirely different film. Seems like Waititi took on board how funny people thought Ragnarok was and tried ramping the humour up to 11 which might have been ok if the jokes were actually funny. I shudder at what his Star Wars film will be like, assuming it actually gets made.
Sounds like it follows the Guardians 2 pattern of just going overboard with what people liked about the previous film.
greygoose
Super Freak
That happened a long time ago.
I think it was ok. If you liked Ragnarok, you'd probably like this more and if you hated Ragnarok, you'll hate this movie even more. It starts off very lighthearted but the characters do move forward.
I disagree with the opinion that Thor was emasculated here. I did not find that at all.
I disagree with the opinion that Thor was emasculated here. I did not find that at all.
Will there be a Waititi cut? TLaT:WC. Maybe the movie will have better feedback if most if not all of its runtime remains intact.
I don't mind the character stereotype of that strong but dumb dude. I do hope this movie didn't double down on the dumb part for Thor though as it might end up being too much. Comics Thor seems to be the stoic type which is obviously different from MCU Thor which leans on comedic, jock stereotype.
I don't mind the character stereotype of that strong but dumb dude. I do hope this movie didn't double down on the dumb part for Thor though as it might end up being too much. Comics Thor seems to be the stoic type which is obviously different from MCU Thor which leans on comedic, jock stereotype.
How was Star-Lord in this? I ask because of that comment that Chris Pratt made a few months ago about "James Gunn Star-Lord is the only true Star-Lord." It made me wonder if he didn't like how his character was depicted in this movie.
lordnastrond
The Spirit of Darkness
Marvel isn't one for allowing other cuts of their movies - it might conflict or complicate the all-important "canon".
Hence why they cut the Hela in NY scene from Ragnarok which had Odin's original death and have never shown it since. The scene exists out there and there is no doubt its something the fans would enjoy seeing - but because it might clash with "canon" we'll never see it. Its like they think the audience isn't clever enough to grasp what an alternative scene is.
I must say I am getting a little meh with the MCU and its slavish devotion to its own status-quo/tone/sameness/canon which always seems to promise something more interesting next time.
I liked Ragnarok, yes it was funny, but more importantly for me I liked it because it had real emotional narrative, the characters actually developed and the status quo was actually changed - Odin dead, Asgard permanently destroyed, Thor as fledgling king of his people, Loki and Thor finally truly reconciled.
Plus Hela was a break in a long MCU tradition of pretty bland villains by being pretty ******* awesome.
The Sakaar/Hulk stuff was alright, but not what I was invested in and took from the movie.
If this movie is just the Sakaar sequence - the movie. I.e.: a long adventure with no real stakes, motivation, character development and constant jokes for the sake of jokes - its not going to capture for me the elements that made Ragnarok one of the better MCU movies.
I think fans enjoy it when their heroes go through an actual character arc/development and the status quo is meaningfully changed by the events of the movie.
This might be why the more well-liked MCU movies are Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame, No Way Home & Ragnarok - because they are the films that have/emphasize these elements?
I am looking forward to this movie though and hope my growing doubts are put to rest.
Hence why they cut the Hela in NY scene from Ragnarok which had Odin's original death and have never shown it since. The scene exists out there and there is no doubt its something the fans would enjoy seeing - but because it might clash with "canon" we'll never see it. Its like they think the audience isn't clever enough to grasp what an alternative scene is.
I must say I am getting a little meh with the MCU and its slavish devotion to its own status-quo/tone/sameness/canon which always seems to promise something more interesting next time.
I liked Ragnarok, yes it was funny, but more importantly for me I liked it because it had real emotional narrative, the characters actually developed and the status quo was actually changed - Odin dead, Asgard permanently destroyed, Thor as fledgling king of his people, Loki and Thor finally truly reconciled.
Plus Hela was a break in a long MCU tradition of pretty bland villains by being pretty ******* awesome.
The Sakaar/Hulk stuff was alright, but not what I was invested in and took from the movie.
If this movie is just the Sakaar sequence - the movie. I.e.: a long adventure with no real stakes, motivation, character development and constant jokes for the sake of jokes - its not going to capture for me the elements that made Ragnarok one of the better MCU movies.
I think fans enjoy it when their heroes go through an actual character arc/development and the status quo is meaningfully changed by the events of the movie.
This might be why the more well-liked MCU movies are Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame, No Way Home & Ragnarok - because they are the films that have/emphasize these elements?
I am looking forward to this movie though and hope my growing doubts are put to rest.
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lordnastrond
The Spirit of Darkness
I remember that - maybe that was because he comes across as a complete arsehole/jackass/liability/memetic-loser in the Infinity War/Endgame movies and What If? series.
Outside of the Gunn films he really is treated like the MCU'S least favourite shunned step-child and certain parts of the internet have similarly turned against the character quite a bit from what I can tell.
Exactly what I expected.
Ironic for a franchise now obsessed with the multiverse.
My wife remarked that Thor is goofy and dumb at times but when needed or when he becomes serious, he suddenly becomes one of the smartest of the bunch. I agree with her assessment there.
It is already revealed online that Taka did a cut that was 4 hours and they had To chop it to 2 for the theater
so looks like we have another controversy and a directors cut coming
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Holy crap!
What i’m about to say is very specific to me and my family.
Because of my cancer and my wife losing her best friend to cancer this movie did a number on my wife enough so that our son felt down and sad while watching it.
A very emotional evening for us including me obviously.
It was a very personal movie for us.
So yes i’m tainted and biased now oh well such is life.
The love story at the center of this movie is very powerful and moving not a dry eye in the theater.
Few other thoughts.
Movie is not woke I repeat not woke AT ALL!
Thor is NOT emasculated AT ALL!
Thor is super powerful and never put in his place by Mighty Thor or any other woman AT ALL!
I went into this expecting a movie 100% ruined by humor and that is not the case at all the humor complaints are being blown way out of proportion and the humor that is there is very naturally presented.
The black and white sequence looked cool!
Movie has a ton of heart!
Go see it.
What i’m about to say is very specific to me and my family.
Because of my cancer and my wife losing her best friend to cancer this movie did a number on my wife enough so that our son felt down and sad while watching it.
A very emotional evening for us including me obviously.
It was a very personal movie for us.
So yes i’m tainted and biased now oh well such is life.
The love story at the center of this movie is very powerful and moving not a dry eye in the theater.
Few other thoughts.
Movie is not woke I repeat not woke AT ALL!
Thor is NOT emasculated AT ALL!
Thor is super powerful and never put in his place by Mighty Thor or any other woman AT ALL!
I went into this expecting a movie 100% ruined by humor and that is not the case at all the humor complaints are being blown way out of proportion and the humor that is there is very naturally presented.
The black and white sequence looked cool!
Movie has a ton of heart!
Go see it.
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I agree with this. As I mentioned before, I did not find Thor to be emasculated at all. He's not a dumb oaf here too. He's every bit as intelligent and capable as ever.
Once you get through the first 1/4 of the movie, things shift to a more serious tone and everything starts falling into place. This is now my favorite MCU film of Phase 4, ahead of NWH and Multiverse of Madness.
I'm watching this again next week for a charity screening with my kids. Can't wait!
Edit: missed the part about your wife's cancer. I hope she was ok Jye.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Nothing and I mean NOTHING dumb about his character traits if anything he is presented as super intelligent and brave.
He is respected by his people, by Val and by Jane and he certainly
put Zeus in his place didn’t he.
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jye4ever
Broke and happy
My wife and son enjoyed it more than DS2.
I enjoyed both equally but the emotions were definitely stronger in this.
This movie touched on the very touchy subject of the risk of false gods and what makes a god worthy of devotion and love.
The title of the movie was surprising!
I enjoyed both equally but the emotions were definitely stronger in this.
This movie touched on the very touchy subject of the risk of false gods and what makes a god worthy of devotion and love.
The title of the movie was surprising!
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