Time Travel question

[krewe555]

I was never able to grasp string theory. But I see what you're saying. I just don't know how one could control the flow of time to the point of being able to jump from A to B with the accuracy of going to the exact point in time which you desired. I mean the universe doesn't operate solely on Earth's clock.

The only concept I could believe in was going forward in time. Traveling close to the speed of light would cause the time dilation of time passing very slowly for you and much faster to those on earth. I know there is a figure for it which is escaping me right now, but I know you can live well beyond your years if you were traveling at a constant speed say 9/10 the speed of light.

No No No No No thats not string theory. That may have been my mistake, when I should have probably said something like "alternate form" of reality.

Its interesting that you bring up parallel universes in your other post. When you combine parallel universes with times travel it becomes much more complicated.

Say its a given you have managed time travel back to the past. You have successfully opened and closed a minature black hole and used it as a wormhole to go back in time.

However the natural laws still exist in that past time. There is no supernatural force that demands that all events occur in exactly the same way which produced the reality you came from. In effect you are "rerolling" the dice on every single event that took place in the past. Chance and probability are "reset" and reapplied to these events. Kennedy may not have been assassinated. Nixon may have not been elected to his second term. This brings about the discussion of parallel universes. Every minute event may have produced a different outcome, producing an infinite amount of parallel universes. Even if marty was able to travel forward in time, if you accept the theory of parallel universes, than there is literally a one in infinity chance the future is exactly the same as he left it save for the changes he made with his mother and father's relationship.

Considering all the things that could have gone wrong from 1955 to 1985, he more than likely could have returned to a nuclear wasteland from a US-Russian conflict, and died instantly from the infected atmosphere due to nuclear radiation eliminating the ozone layer.

Parallel universes would make time travel so incredibly risky, that even if you achieved a miraculous technology for allow for time travel, you may not utilize it at all.

 

[Snake Plissken]

What I want to ask, can an alternate timeline universe exist before intervention with the timeline? Or can it be one singular universe and you just changed it's entire direction? This gets very taxing thinking about it.

 

[devilof76]

Bodie.

The thing is though, you have no scientific authority to make these claims. You no almost nothing of science or physics, and your "facts" about the nature of time are just some ideas you have with no basis in reality. If you were to share these ideas with real actual scientists you would be laughed out of the room.

Any scientist who would laugh at me for saying that time travel is impossible is a fraud. Or an idiot. Or both.

Worse, you force your ideas on others. Since you have already made up your mind, anyone that disagrees with your ideas is wasting thier time and should be stopped. All research that tries to disprove what you have already decided is not to be conducted, as not only will it not produce any results, but we won't even stumble upon something we didn't know in the process.

I force my ideas on whom, precisely? You see this gun I have held to your head? No, I didn't think so.

On the other hand...

Forget pre-scientific. That is straight up anti-scientific.

...you mean like forcing people to pay for research into ideas that they may or may not endorse?

Yes actually. It sends waves of light and energy back in time. If this is successful, it would be pretty easy to code audio into digital signals and decode it on the other end. Then you just connect it to a device that records audio in the past and plays it back at the appropriate time.

From the sounds of it, Goodwin's law.

Yes, the internet meme that made the bigtime.

It's obviously a crime against logic to invoke the most salient example of why fascism is evil when condemning fascism. Obviously.

You compare government funded research to facism because it happened to occur under the Nazi's but its also responsible for some of the most remarkable scientific achievements of all time.

Government funded science is a defining characteristic of fascism, bub.

The large hadron collider (or anything else at CERN for that matter), cell phones, the internet, medicinized penicillin, man landing on the moon? All government funded.

You forgot roads. We wouldn't have roads without the gubmint. And cheese. No gubmint cheese without the gubmint.

These things were publicly funded because the people like you in the private sector deemed it useless and a waste of time.

And now, time travel. Thank you gubmint. I had nothing better to spend that money on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

[Blackthornone]

And now, time travel. Thank you gubmint. I had nothing better to spend that money on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

A real waste of money is the space program. Human beings can only live on planet Earth in this universe, so to be able to go anywhere else is pointless. There is already all of the resources relative to the size of the planet that this planet can handle, and is more than abundant for human life.

There is no reason to import anything from other planets.

Any information gained from other planets won't really benefit human life on this planet, similar to proving that chocolate is safe for humans but not for dogs.



Every time they send a rocket into space, it destroys a large portion of the ozone layer.

Spending hundreds of millions to destroy the ozone layer we need to protect all human life for information that doesn't apply to human life is really stupid.

Time travel would be far more useful, because it would apply to actual human needs.

 

[Snake Plissken]

A real waste of money is the space program. Human beings can only live on planet Earth in this universe, so to be able to go anywhere else is pointless. There is already all of the resources relative to the size of the planet that this planet can handle, and is more than abundant for human life.

There is no reason to import anything from other planets.

Any information gained from other planets won't really benefit human life on this planet, similar to proving that chocolate is safe for humans but not for dogs.



Every time they send a rocket into space, it destroys a large portion of the ozone layer.

Spending hundreds of millions to destroy the ozone layer we need to protect all human life for information that doesn't apply to human life is really stupid.

Time travel would be far more useful, because it would apply to actual human needs.

 

[devilof76]

Time travel would be far more useful, because it would apply to actual human needs.

Except that you can travel through space. You can't travel through time.

It's not an issue of waste. It's not an issue of what's best for everyone. The only issue is to whom does the money belong. I'm going out on a limb here and stating unequivocally that it does not belong to humanity. Therefore, anyone claiming it in the name of humanity, or the greater good, or the people's will, is advocating larceny on an incalculable scale.

Anyone who decides to mine planets for resources will get stinking rich if they succeed, and the Earth will benefit from their success. In the event that the global population exceeds your pre-approved limit, that could mean the difference between life and death for billions of people.

But, I guess we only need what impossible things like time travel would afford us. Those are the truly important things (because nature is just that *** backwards).

 

[fosing]

A real waste of money is the space program.

darwin award nominee right there.

 

[devilof76]

Fosing, you are one smaht mofo.

 

[fosing]

RIP Neil Armstrong. his death anniversary was just a few days ago. :[

 

[Blackthornone]

Except that you can travel through space. You can't travel through time.

It's not an issue of waste. It's not an issue of what's best for everyone. The only issue is to whom does the money belong. I'm going out on a limb here and stating unequivocally that it does not belong to humanity. Therefore, anyone claiming it in the name of humanity, or the greater good, or the people's will, is advocating larceny on an incalculable scale.

Anyone who decides to mine planets for resources will get stinking rich if they succeed, and the Earth will benefit from their success. In the event that the global population exceeds your pre-approved limit, that could mean the difference between life and death for billions of people.

But, I guess we only need what impossible things like time travel would afford us. Those are the truly important things (because nature is just that *** backwards).

There is only so much room on the planet, and so much oxygen capacity, and there are already too many people for OPTIMUM quality of human life.
Now, if you are willing to settle for less space, less clean air, less oxygen, and more competition for resources costing people's lives, not to mention worldwide starvation due to over farming the topsoil until all of the nutrients and the aquifers are gone, then there is still room for more room and human anguish for you.

If you find resources on other planets, where will you put them? Not enough room on Earth. Will you visit them in your space ship? Only so much room on Earth. What if the extra mass of mined space stuff affects the Earth's rotation badly over the long term?

Also, again, there is the loss of ozone every time a rocket goes up. More money and riches t the cost of more skin cancer and global warming, followed by an ice age? Not worth the trade off.

 

[Blackthornone]

darwin award nominee right there.

The intellect asks what is possible. Intelligence asks what is appropriate. Dr. Helen Coldecott said that. Intellectuals built nuclear weapons. Intellectuals continue to want to do more space exploration. Intelligent people realize that said research doesn't really benefit human life, despite how much money and effort it costs to obtain it. A lot of challenge, and little real reward.

I think going into orbit the first time was neat, as was putting a man on the moon, just to know you did it, but going into space repeatedly is the space program I am talking about. The average cost per launch of the Space shuttle was 1.5 billion. For what? What was worth 1.5 billion?
Cost/benefit analysis.

 

[Snake Plissken]

The intellect asks what is possible. Intelligence asks what is appropriate. Dr. Helen Coldecott said that. Intellectuals built nuclear weapons. Intellectuals continue to want to do more space exploration. Intelligent people realize that said research doesn't really benefit human life, despite how much money and effort it costs to obtain it. A lot of challenge, and little real reward.

I think going into orbit the first time was neat, as was putting a man on the moon, just to know you did it, but going into space repeatedly is the space program I am talking about. The average cost per launch of the Space shuttle was 1.5 billion. For what? What was worth 1.5 billion?
Cost/benefit analysis.

There is so much government waste, 1.5 Billion is nothing compared to the idiotic distribution of some of the government funds.

 

[Blackthornone]

There is so much government waste, 1.5 Billion is nothing compared to the idiotic distribution of some of the government funds.

But extend the logic. Another 1.5 million wasted is worse.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Well there is nothing more for humanity to conquer but space. It's the only way we will survive. Unless you find it reasonable that humanity hangs out on Earth for the next 4 billion years and wait for the Sun to change into a Red Giant and Earth is incinerated.

 

[Solidus]

I actually believe that mankind will destroy itself before we ever have a chance to explore the final frontier . In a few hundred years, there will probably be manned space flights to Mars to grow some broccoli. Provided that America, or let alone, a technological civilization even exists by then.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Probably right. We'll be exhausted of any natural resources soon enough. If we don't develop faster than light travel, or at the very least near the speed of light, we won't survive as a species.

We got about a billion residences we could possibly live on in other star systems.

 

[a-dev]

Well there is nothing more for humanity to conquer but space. It's the only way we will survive. Unless you find it reasonable that humanity hangs out on Earth for the next 4 billion years and wait for the Sun to change into a Red Giant and Earth is incinerated.

If not mankind destroying itself we'll surely be hit by another major asteroid well before then.

 

[Snake Plissken]

If not mankind destroying itself we'll surely be hit by another major asteroid well before then.

Or rogue Planet. Or another Ice Age. So many factors that could kill us all and we have zero defense.

 

[Solidus]

We also seem to have zero defenses against career politicians

 

[Blackthornone]

Well there is nothing more for humanity to conquer but space. It's the only way we will survive. Unless you find it reasonable that humanity hangs out on Earth for the next 4 billion years and wait for the Sun to change into a Red Giant and Earth is incinerated.

The thing mankind needs to conquer is it's ego. Mankind needs to master itself. Self control and personal responsibility are the most important things people need to master, and despite always having the ability to do so, they don't. Humanity has focused on external challenges rather than focusing on the one goal that matters most, mastering oneself.
Easier to put a man on the moon than to convince human beings to be ethical..