What would you invest in?

[azurepred]

Everyone becoming violent isn't necessary to make guns a value. As it is now, Maine just eliminated the need for a permit to carry concealed firearms.

A return to a gold dollar would require the elimination of the Federal Reserve, privatization of American banking, and cutting ties with the WTO, IMF etc. I don't think the American federal government--as it is--would survive that kind of change. I'm also not convinced that it would destroy the American markets. There would be upheaval, for sure. Companies heavily connected to federal borrowing would be done. Companies that are not, and the grassroots elements of the country would have a chance and I don't think Yankee ingenuity is so far gone that the chance they'd have would be insignificant.

It helps to keep in mind that we would not be the only country to take a hit if the dollar went belly up.



Sold down the river by Blue Dress Bill...

I was just referring to having guns purely as an investment. I don't see the purpose of investing tons of money into firearms unless one firmly believes they will need them unless there is some sort of real value attached to guns that I'm missing. Like you said, the collapse of the dollar will defn affect the whole world cause every country has a percentage of our currency in their reserves and a lot of overseas companies are invested into something we have here. I know some ppl are saying Americans should be moving as far away as possible and all that. If things get really bad in the country that one has moved to, they would no doubt be targeted.

If you don't believe we will go back to the gold standard, what do you think it will be changed to? I think whatever happens, it will be something that suddenly happens overnight one day.

 

[toycrypt]

Once this world decides to go to war. Sell everything and invest in commodities.

 

[FriendlySamurai]

I was just referring to having guns purely as an investment. I don't see the purpose of investing tons of money into firearms unless one firmly believes they will need them unless there is some sort of real value attached to guns that I'm missing. Like you said, the collapse of the dollar will defn affect the whole world cause every country has a percentage of our currency in their reserves and a lot of overseas companies are invested into something we have here. I know some ppl are saying Americans should be moving as far away as possible and all that. If things get really bad in the country that one has moved to, they would no doubt be targeted.

If you don't believe we will go back to the gold standard, what do you think it will be changed to? I think whatever happens, it will be something that suddenly happens overnight one day.

Not just for defense you can hunt with them too. If we're left with defending and feeding ourselves they're nice to have.

We're moving toward a cashless society. They've already been testing chips in people. They're working on self powered ones that operate off of temperature/electrical fluctuations in the human body- keep them powered and they're trackable. Bank accounts, medical records, all on the chips. Once they chip you, they own you. Saw this commercial many years ago-

 

[azurepred]

I don't think it will get apocalyptic bad, so I would never encourage anyone to invest in firearms, but I'm a sword and blades guy myself. I've always despised guns, but don't hate anyone that has them. My mom just started buying some actually. And I don't think that "chipped people" stuff will happen in my lifetime.

 

[hoodonit00]

I don't think it will get apocalyptic bad, so I would never encourage anyone to invest in firearms, but I'm a sword and blades guy myself. I've always despised guns, but don't hate anyone that has them. My mom just started buying some actually. And I don't think that "chipped people" stuff will happen in my lifetime.

If the dollar goes belly up it will get apocalyptic bad. That's why I said guns and ammo. Not for investment, but for protection and hunting.

 

[azurepred]

And why do you think it would get that bad? Unless everyone's bank account gets completely wiped out, I just can't see that happening . A change in currency is coming, that's inevitable .

 

[hoodonit00]

And why do you think it would get that bad? Unless everyone's bank account gets completely wiped out, I just can't see that happening . A change in currency is coming, that's inevitable .

If the dollar crashes, in essence, bank accounts would be worthless. If and when the dollar is replaced as the world wide currency it won't happen overnight and there will be a lot of lean times resulting from it.

 

[FriendlySamurai]

And I don't think that "chipped people" stuff will happen in my lifetime.

Its already been going on for the last 15 years. this was 2004 I think:


Research Verichip, Thermo Life, Digital Angel... Last I heard Applied Digital Solutions was working on global tracking capabilities for their chips. Its been touted for all its wonderful medical benefits, but all it took was something like 9/11 for the government to promote mandating national ID cards. Its a very small step from medical safety to national security, from voluntary to mandatory. We live in a society driven by fear.

 

[fosing]

fish n chips = happiness.

 

[azurepred]

meh, whatev. Unfortunately, people are like sheep, so it wouldn't take much justification to allow the govt to do that to them. More like we live in a society driven by morons. Before a natural disaster wipes out everyone on this planet, I find it more likely we will do it ourselves or the future AI robots will become self aware like Ultron lol. The sad thing is Ultron was right all along!

 

[devilof76]

I was just referring to having guns purely as an investment. I don't see the purpose of investing tons of money into firearms unless one firmly believes they will need them unless there is some sort of real value attached to guns that I'm missing. Like you said, the collapse of the dollar will defn affect the whole world cause every country has a percentage of our currency in their reserves and a lot of overseas companies are invested into something we have here. I know some ppl are saying Americans should be moving as far away as possible and all that. If things get really bad in the country that one has moved to, they would no doubt be targeted.

If you don't believe we will go back to the gold standard, what do you think it will be changed to? I think whatever happens, it will be something that suddenly happens overnight one day.

I think the central bankers will try to do anything to maintain a fiat currency as the world's reserve standard. The gold standard is anathema to everything they represent and it would end them all.

They have a chance because, as has been said, too many people are motivated by fear. In the 1930's, financial catastrophe was used by those who opposed free markets to establish a foundation for the system we have now. People accepted it, even though many understood the problems it would create. It was too much of a case to be made when people were starving. Roosevelt was able to get his way because he delivered jobs (for those who got no job, he delivered WWII). So here we are now. The 2008 disaster was a direct result of these kinds of policies and the answer those who had the most to lose presented was more of the same. It won't work next time, but how much are people in this country willing to take? Or rather, how many people are there in this country, willing to take it? If they're outnumbered this time around, a gold standard may be able to supplant the World Bank.

Or maybe it will all just devolve into chaos, anarchy, civil war and total state. In 1923, the deutschmark was trading 4.2 trillion to one U.S. dollar. Germany wasn't exactly a primitive backwater, but they showed little hesitation when given the opportunity to choose the primitive path. Ten years of promises from the Social Democrats that a gradual, peaceable socialism could be had ended with the ascension of the man who promised socialism by any means.

 

[hoodonit00]

Someone rep devil as I can't.

 

[FriendlySamurai]

meh, whatev. Unfortunately, people are like sheep, so it wouldn't take much justification to allow the govt to do that to them. More like we live in a society driven by morons. Before a natural disaster wipes out everyone on this planet, I find it more likely we will do it ourselves or the future AI robots will become self aware like Ultron lol. The sad thing is Ultron was right all along!

I don't think they're morons, they just play them on tv Really they've got manipulation of the public down to a science. Great example was the Kutcher Moore "I Pledge" ad. FULL of hypnosis techniques- yes set, piggybacking... even the way it was edited breaks the viewers concentration. Love movies and television but man, anymore there is so much big brother ideology and propaganda in them they make me cringe- enjoyed Avengers anyway tho I think you may have something with the robot theory, no offense to Arnie but I hope they all look like Kristanna Loken