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With backing from everyone, including internet selling giant Amazon, it will 100% happen. It won't change the way I collect, but it will change the way I shop for everything else besides groceries. Amazon gets probably 90% of my general shopping money, lower prices than local stores, no tax + free shipping, what more can you ask for. I haven't bought a BD in years from a store, Amazon gets 100% of my BD orders. Plus I do ALL my X-mas/birthday/holiday shopping on Amazon. Once Amazon starts charging tax, I'll just go get locally if its slightly cheaper. I guess it will all depend on the tax amount.

Same here... Amazon is almost always as cheap, or a bit cheaper than any other option and with no sales tax and free shipping (not to mention the crazy selection) it's my go-to for gifts and entertainment items.

If they start charging tax I'll likely just buy more stuff locally as the savings will be nullified. Main reason I don't get too excited about the 20% sales from Hastings, once you factor in sales tax (since they have Oklahoma locations), shipping and that they charge full retail it's usually cheaper to buy elsewhere.
 
Calif is 8.75, I just used 10% and think I am getting a discount. As for ordering. I have been on the net for a long time. I have everything I want and the items I don't own (How many Remember 3/$1.00 DVD Buy.com, Reel.come, etc)? The tax is not a big deal.

I don't know a business person alive that would not take free sales tax dollars to operating margin that flows right down to the EBITA dollars and say the tax is not a big deal.
 
Actually to the contrary infrastructure is by far the most important thing to a growing economy. American capitalism as it is grew and thrived because of its advanced infrastrucutres.

Think about transportation. We started with carriage, roads, rail, boat and then plane. By investing the money in infrastructure sure there is short term job growth, however, by expanding and improving infrastructure we can now access roads that lead to new land for manufacturing, solar, nuclear, and other high technology job creation. These benefits will keep manufacturing stateside by offering lower cost production and distribution from imports/exports of goods and cheaper aquisition of sourcing materials such as oil, metals and resin.

Distribution and transportation of goods and services is paramount and by having the infrastructure to strategically place warehouses for distribution saves money for businesses and gets goods to customers faster.

What seems like a small thing with working on roads and power grids will pay very large dividends in the future with permanent jobs from the growth out of these projects.

which, idealy, is good... however...

One thing folks often ignore for one reason or another is the fact that society functions reasonably well, in large measure, because government does those things for the "greater good" that people wouldn't do if left to the law of the jungle. Governments are also responsible for a lot of **** such as pork barrel spending that benefits only themselves and their influential buddies, the military industrial complex, special interests that buy power and laws, etc. But realistically, that's never going to go away so long as man is man. Governments, broadly speaking, still provide much more good than we would have without them. Anyone who thinks otherwise is trying to live in some ideological fantasy where they are Ayn Rand's super capitalist. Except they ain't.

But of course, there is a great amount of variation over what one person considers a "good" versus another. There is also debate over which governments are best, and how ineffectual the U.S. government is at doing its job. But taxes are critically important if you think a public education--the backbone of national economic wellbeing--matters. Or if you value a reasonably fair system of justice, somewhat breathable air, having a small sliver of our natural environment kept safe from industrial destruction, a police force, national security, some semblance of protection against monopolization of industry, some semblance of worker protection so children don't work in coal mines, some semblance of economic and social protection against catastrophic health crises, etc. Our system ain't perfect, but to suggest that taxes aren't important is something I can't take very seriously. Call me nuts if you will, but I don't want a subsidiary of Wal-Mart or Exxon owning and operating all the schools and courts.

Which is where we are currently headed. The Oil industry fights solar, nuclear, and electrical power, as those things would be substancialy cheaper, thus cutting dramaticly into their buisness model. They have been around longer, and therefore have a GREAT DEAL OF CLOUT in washington as it is.

as an example, the Oil/gasoline industry is currently expierencing higher profits than it ever has in the history of its existance...
yet they cry when someone suggests tehy need to let up on teh federal subsidies they get.

Lets think about this: these companies earned a combined $229,832 every minute from January through March. This is more than what 95 percent of American households earn in an entire year. that's 1.39 BILLION per hour

for the record, Exxon-Mobil pays approxamately $12.3 million in taxes per hour, give or take. Where is that money going?


Granted, they also pay more taxes than other industries too, Exxon Mobil paid $7.7 billion in taxes in the first quarter of 2012, which was about double the amount of taxes paid by Apple - $3.9 billion. just for a point of reference.

But what is it going towords?

Oh... right... the HUGE defecit we've incurred as a result of fighting in two wars we never should have started.


" One must have stability at home, if one is to ever expect stability abroad" - Franklin Roosevelt


[ I may be slightly butchering that quote]
 
anyways, my point is. the tax itself will not be a huge cost to consuers directly.. the cost will come in the form of man-hours, and sallaries paid to hire, train, and put to work the people who need to handle the paying of said taxes to the gov't.

This is something that will dramaticly impact "mom and pop shops" that STRICTLY do buisness over the internet.
 
anyways, my point is. the tax itself will not be a huge cost to consuers directly.. the cost will come in the form of man-hours, and sallaries paid to hire, train, and put to work the people who need to handle the paying of said taxes to the gov't.

This is something that will dramaticly impact "mom and pop shops" that STRICTLY do buisness over the internet.

I agree 100% the consumer will not be impacted financially. They will feel the biggest impact from goods delivery. The average order fullfillment will increase and time to ship products to comsumers will definitely increase.

We will have to wait longer to get our little plastic men and statues!:lol

Sadly many "Mom and Pop" e-tailers will belly up as this is going to be on average about a 5-10 % hit on their operating margins. Raising prices will only hurt them as they are operating on razor thin budgets as it is. May have to layoff people and cause a increase to unemployment as well as another negative.

Unfortunately brand loyalty (Who you are buying from ex. SS, BBTS, eBay) does not have a heavy impact on price tolerance for consumers online. It's product price.

Brand name products (What brand you are buying Sony TV, Brand name crap on eBay) do not impact consumer price tolerance as well in specific product markets. If you are buying a Hot Toy for example, there is only 1 brand of Hot Toy every e-tailer is selling. All that matters is where can I get my Hot Toy figure at the lowest price? Which in this instance smaller sellers will get priced out of business where there is little product diversification and substitutes. Good discussion.:clap
 
that is what exactly is going to happen...more small businesses are going to take the hit and end up going out of business resulting in MORE job losses = more unemployement adding to the already 22-24% unemployment rate as it is

tax,tax,tax...it only hurts people bottom line and will hurt customer spending overall
 
I can tell you that as a collector who just offloads some of his stuff every once in awhile, an extra 10-15% fee or whatever on top of what I already pay eBay (around 10%) and Paypal (around 3-4%) will hurt. Factor in the time and effort it takes to list, sell, package, and ship items out (there are costs of time and energy associated with all that), and at a certain point you have to question the rationality behind it all. Consumers aren't gonna pay me more than they would have before just because of some new tax. If they are forced to pay taxes on the front end alongside separate shipping costs, they'll just factor that into the amount they're willing to pay. In other words, Joe Smith will pay up to $200 for Superman, and that includes any shipping and taxes that the seller incurs. Add in the fees the buyers never see, and that seller's looking at, what, $140 or so coming back into his pocket? Meaning a $50 loss if he paid $190 for the figure to begin with? Blech.
 
The tax also encourages the brick-and-mortar stores (like Best Buy) not to improve on what's going wrong with their business. Instead of fixing problems, they just attack their competition (Amazon/Newegg)
 
The House moves at a glacial pace and the Republicans oppose the bill. I won't worry about it, unless it actually passes.
 
One thing folks often ignore for one reason or another is the fact that society functions reasonably well, in large measure, because government does those things for the "greater good" that people wouldn't do if left to the law of the jungle.

People wouldn't build roads or schools (and what fine roads and schools they are) if the government didn't do it for them? Like the way they don't build houses, or cars, or farms, right?

Governments are also responsible for a lot of **** such as pork barrel spending that benefits only themselves and their influential buddies, the military industrial complex, special interests that buy power and laws, etc. But realistically, that's never going to go away so long as man is man.

Original sin. Cute as it is primitive. At least no one has to accept blaame for their inherent and inescapable morally flawed presumptions, right? That's just the way we are.

We can't help but milk the tit, because after all, we suck.

Governments, broadly speaking, still provide much more good than we would have without them.

A thief benefits from the money he steals. Not in the long run, but who can argue that so long as the goose is still laying golden eggs, the breakfast crowd won't riot.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is trying to live in some ideological fantasy where they are Ayn Rand's super capitalist. Except they ain't.

Nice smear. Ayn Rand regarded this 'super capitalist Olympian ubermensch' as a normal man, and not some fantastical impossibility beyond the reach of only the most exceptional. People are just too satisfied thinking inside the boxes that they were given. Death and taxes...how profound.
 
In europe, taxes seriously impact imports, it's around 20% (+import duties, +another tax by the mail company) & that also applies to the already expensive shipping.
But US sales tax, isn't that around 5%? Doesn't look like a huge deal.
 
But US sales tax, isn't that around 5%? Doesn't look like a huge deal.

The argument here is that stores like amazon are putting brick and mortars out of business, and that it's only fair that they be subject to sales tax too. However, there is no federal sales tax in this country. The states collect sales tax (in the ones where it is levied) and it is illegal for a state to demand that a business in another state be compelled to collect tax for the state in which the buyer resides. Federal tax would override that.

I'm not sure why people who argue for tax fairness always opt for increasing taxes on others instead of asking that they be lowered on themselves. I don't think I want to know. Doesn't smell too hot from where I'm standing, and I try to keep my distance.
 
The argument here is that stores like amazon are putting brick and mortars out of business, and that it's only fair that they be subject to sales tax too. However, there is no federal sales tax in this country. The states collect sales tax (in the ones where it is levied) and it is illegal for a state to demand that a business in another state be compelled to collect tax for the state in which the buyer resides. Federal tax would override that.

I'm not sure why people who argue for tax fairness always opt for increasing taxes on others instead of asking that they be lowered on themselves. I don't think I want to know. Doesn't smell too hot from where I'm standing, and I try to keep my distance.

That's my thoughts on it
 
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