nemenforcer
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I will get this.
XM Studio 1/4 Avenger Iron Man Mark VII
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gagaliya
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I wish xm would lower the price to same as sideshow, then it will eat SS for lunch all day long. But at 2x the price of a SS piece, it's a tough pill to swallow no matter how much nicer it is.
That said, I will still be buying this, looks like a win all over!
That said, I will still be buying this, looks like a win all over!
savageHULK
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My exact feeling. A statue like this is without a doubt desirable, but at the price I can't do it when options for ironman are coming out soon from SS.
If they did higher ES and dropped price... I'm probably a buyer. If not, hope SS steals the base idea. Hnha
Legionpichon
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The prices aren´t that higher, the problem is their license restrictions. You can get XM statues around 670-700 SGD which translates to 540-560 USD, for us international buyers the difference between this and a sideshow PF exclusive is marginal...now you know the pain of being an international collector :bang head lol.
savageHULK
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I have never seen any of their currently released or preorder able statues at that price except for the BW.
keewan
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Have you even looked? All of their status are the same price. For example, if you order anyone of their statue now from Simply Toy, you get the member price minus sales tax, makes it $673 SGD which is $540 USD. I feel bad having to mention this again, I swear I don't work for them, but their price is clearly listed on their site so anyone can go verify it. Problem is we have to pay shipping too, since they don't make their statues hollow they are heavy and expensive to ship, which makes the total cost high.
savageHULK
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Have you even looked? All of their status are the same price. For example, if you order anyone of their statue now from Simply Toy, you get the member price minus sales tax, makes it $673 SGD which is $540 USD. I feel bad having to mention this again, I swear I don't work for them, but their price is clearly listed on their site so anyone can go verify it. Problem is we have to pay shipping too, since they don't make their statues hollow they are heavy and expensive to ship, which makes the total cost high.
That's what I meant dude. I compare prices with one medium. The price to get it to my doorstep. When I went through the ordering process, my price was like $720.
To clarify that was through a site like bbts. Can't remember exactly which one.
To cut it short: you're paying a hell lot of shipping and import taxes, that's it.
That's how it is for international buyers since forever, this time it only happens that the US are international too. Consider yourself lucky, a bump from $540 to $720 is much reasonable, here in Europe when ordering direct from SS we end up paying over $600 for a $400 statue.
It's not that XM needs to lower their price, they should have the right to sell direct outside of Indonesia/Singapore/Thailand/Malaysia, that's it.
That's how it is for international buyers since forever, this time it only happens that the US are international too. Consider yourself lucky, a bump from $540 to $720 is much reasonable, here in Europe when ordering direct from SS we end up paying over $600 for a $400 statue.
It's not that XM needs to lower their price, they should have the right to sell direct outside of Indonesia/Singapore/Thailand/Malaysia, that's it.
SurlyJ
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I'm curious what the market share is between USA and international. All this stuff about US customers getting shafted on this the way international customers do for SSC stuff is true, but it does still sting, particularly since we aren't used to it here. 1st world problems, I know. But in terms of eating into SSC and providing real competition, the fact that the cost difference is marginal for international customers only means as much to SSC as those customers make up their base. If international sales only account for 10% of sales, as a random example, then losing say 20% of international business to XM equates to losing just about 2% of US business.
More than else, there's not much XM can do right now for it. It's an agreement in their license, they can sell direct only in selected markets, and that's it. Just to be clear: I'm not saying US customers deserve to pay more (if I want XM statues here in Europe I pay more too, and somewhere around $900, mind it), nobody should get shafted like this.
Then again, I take a good laugh at those crying for XM prices while dropping insane money for flawed stuff like SS Rogue, Psylocke, Apocalypse or buying all the rainbow Hulks available and so on.
Then again, I take a good laugh at those crying for XM prices while dropping insane money for flawed stuff like SS Rogue, Psylocke, Apocalypse or buying all the rainbow Hulks available and so on.
nemenforcer
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Ahh I see...I don't like being an international customer
But it sure was incredible to score that Cap and open up the box for the first time.
Cannot wait to see the proto of this painted up.
On another note, the SSC Lobo PF revealed today is $580 + shipping.
On another note, the SSC Lobo PF revealed today is $580 + shipping.
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Bottom line is....I am less concerned about costs as I am about costs vs. quality. This LOBO is one of the top statues I have seen from SS since Skaar PF. This bundle (I of course got the Dawg too) was an absolute no brainer. Cool switch out stuff. 2 heads, 2 hands, and a swap out base part for either a skull or Dawg. Now this is quality and quantity for a price I do not mind. If you want excellence, you are going to pay for it. If you want to get by with ok stuff....go to the 99cent store.
But as all you SS complainers about price can see, this is no more or less than any and all of XM's statues. This argument for most, like what Savage usually spouts is going to be moot. You either are going to pay out your rear (like you are willing to do for the SS HULK) for hopefully great quality (that's iffy from SS), or you are going to be a talker and admirer on this forum (which is fine too).
But I can see through the B.S. and see the cost argument is just so that one can come up with some justification to make them feel better about not buying a great XM product (or SS for that matter).
I have more respect and understanding for someone that doesn't beat around the bush and just says they aren't a fan of this statue because they don't like the style or because they don't like mixed media, etc. etc. etc.
The price crap has got to be buried deep in the ground. Everything is expensive and there is no way to get around that. I bet you who are driving stopped complaining about cost because at this point in time....you need it to get to work. It may not be great, but I pay for it so I can make money. So I stopped bother complaining about it, because it is getting me nowhere.
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Imho Loric I think that you are skipping a detail: XM guarantees quality control, Sideshow doesn't. That's the plus for which many are ok with XM, while not being ok with Sideshow at these price points (600-700+ $). I don't dislike Sideshow. I like many of their pieces and I'm super glad they have many licenses I love (Conan, Blizzard, and so on). I just think that QC is too much a hit and miss with them. Example: Apocalypse. One should expect that at that price, quality is assured... and it wasn't, at all. That's why I feel much more confident dropping money to XM than to Sideshow and that's why Sideshow is bashed. I do agree that Lobo is awesome, with great details and lots of swap out pieces, but I also think (fear) that quality could not be there once the statue is released.
SurlyJ
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What the hell are you talking about? lol. Cost is never B.S.
I drive every day and complain about the cost of it constantly and am always looking for ways to keep my drive comfortable and less costly. I shop for new insurance rates every year or so, I traded in my nice infiniti for a leaf because I am sick of paying for gas. The idea of simply accepting that something is expensive and therefore not consider that cost a factor in your decision making is nuts.
The cost of these statues is prohibitive for a lot of people. It just is. It is a turn off, despite how great it is, just as for people with less income, the cost of a $400 SS statue is prohibitive. The cost of a $250 bowen is prohibitive for others. Doesn't mean they are beating around the bush.
Now, as prices rise and your tastes becomes more refined and therefore often expensive, you become more accustomed to paying higher prices. 2 years ago I would never have paid $300 for a collectible. Today, I find $400 reasonable and have paid $800 for a few. When I was the person who wouldn't pay $800 for a statue, I didn't use the price as an excuse for not liking the thing. I just don't understand your assertion of BS... if anything that logic would work the other way, people trashing the statue itself when really they are just sad they can't afford it or don't like the cost of it.
I think you need to just accept that price will always be talked about, so um... bury your complaining that it should be buried.
I drive every day and complain about the cost of it constantly and am always looking for ways to keep my drive comfortable and less costly. I shop for new insurance rates every year or so, I traded in my nice infiniti for a leaf because I am sick of paying for gas. The idea of simply accepting that something is expensive and therefore not consider that cost a factor in your decision making is nuts.
The cost of these statues is prohibitive for a lot of people. It just is. It is a turn off, despite how great it is, just as for people with less income, the cost of a $400 SS statue is prohibitive. The cost of a $250 bowen is prohibitive for others. Doesn't mean they are beating around the bush.
Now, as prices rise and your tastes becomes more refined and therefore often expensive, you become more accustomed to paying higher prices. 2 years ago I would never have paid $300 for a collectible. Today, I find $400 reasonable and have paid $800 for a few. When I was the person who wouldn't pay $800 for a statue, I didn't use the price as an excuse for not liking the thing. I just don't understand your assertion of BS... if anything that logic would work the other way, people trashing the statue itself when really they are just sad they can't afford it or don't like the cost of it.
I think you need to just accept that price will always be talked about, so um... bury your complaining that it should be buried.
As Surly stated, cost is never bs. NEVER. There's no burying it, no escaping it, no ignoring it.
Nobody has 'beat around the bush', in fact, most have been very direct in their opinions and concerns regarding cost, the products themselves (sculpt, pose, base, etc) and something else very important that you completely ignored -> Quality control.
You have Sideshow 'complainers' as you call them for one reason - b/c Sideshow failed to deliver on something they're selling. Whether it be b/c the production pieces looked horrible compared to the prototypes or the quality control was awful, Sideshow brought it upon themselves to be questioned or doubted.
I have five SSC pieces at this time,another two on pre order, and probably another 4 IM pieces to pre order in the near future but that doesn't mean I can't be objective. Right?
savageHULK
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Lol. This is just funny.
Grumpy Bear
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Until now i own just Hot Toys and Kotobukiya pieces, can i smash on XM and SS? 
savageHULK
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Until now i own just Hot Toys and Kotobukiya pieces, can i smash on XM and SS?
Yes. Your opinion is your opinion. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
loricstone
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What the hell are you talking about? lol. Cost is never B.S.
I drive every day and complain about the cost of it constantly and am always looking for ways to keep my drive comfortable and less costly. I shop for new insurance rates every year or so, I traded in my nice infiniti for a leaf because I am sick of paying for gas. The idea of simply accepting that something is expensive and therefore not consider that cost a factor in your decision making is nuts.
The cost of these statues is prohibitive for a lot of people. It just is. It is a turn off, despite how great it is, just as for people with less income, the cost of a $400 SS statue is prohibitive. The cost of a $250 bowen is prohibitive for others. Doesn't mean they are beating around the bush.
Now, as prices rise and your tastes becomes more refined and therefore often expensive, you become more accustomed to paying higher prices. 2 years ago I would never have paid $300 for a collectible. Today, I find $400 reasonable and have paid $800 for a few. When I was the person who wouldn't pay $800 for a statue, I didn't use the price as an excuse for not liking the thing. I just don't understand your assertion of BS... if anything that logic would work the other way, people trashing the statue itself when really they are just sad they can't afford it or don't like the cost of it.
I think you need to just accept that price will always be talked about, so um... bury your complaining that it should be buried.
Somewhere I think you missed my very first sentence in post 173. I am putting in parenthesis what I said:
"Bottom line is....I am less concerned about costs as I am about costs vs. quality".
To El Mule...how could you miss this? Me of all people skipping quality control?? That was my whole basis for that post....I will state again. less concerned about costs as I am about COSTS VS. QUALITY. How the hell did you miss that?
Come on guys this is not rocket science. Costs is something you deal with for something you want. But quality is the most important factor and I was saying quality is more important than the cost especially since WE ALL KNOW THIS HOBBY IS EXPENSIVE. So that was already a variable that EVERYONE knows who is in this hobby.
Here is a viable example. If you buy a house...are you going to buy a poorly built one for $80,000 or are you more willing to spend $180,000 for a more safe, comfortable, well built house? Chances are, you are going to buy the more expensive one. If you cannot, then you will rent an apartment or some other means and have to do without the house. So continuously complaining about the more expensive house isn't going to net you anything except build more frustration. For what?
This is why I am saying that cost is less important than quality in this regard. Everyone with common sense will buy a Honda Accord over a Ford Pinto right? If you can't afford it, you won't buy it, simple as that. But complaining is not constructive....unless you just like to complain.
