007 franchise sold to Amazon including creative control

[Felinx]

People seem to forget that China was a villain in a few of the earliest Bonds - Goldfinger has China playing at its underhanded best. But then Amazon needs Chinese box office, even if that early depiction of China is even more spot-on for today.

 

[HanFiredFirst]

People seem to forget that China was a villain in a few of the earliest Bonds - Goldfinger has China playing at its underhanded best. But then Amazon needs Chinese box office, even if that early depiction of China is even more spot-on for today.

Surprising how Americans see China as dangerous, whilst the rest of the world is aghast at the Trump/Musk White House and shudders.

 

[Felinx]

Surprising how Americans see China as dangerous, whilst the rest of the world is aghast at the Trump/Musk White House and shudders.

Eh, when those fighters finally launch for Taiwan in the next couple of years, the Instagram raging and weeping about "our democracy" will finally fall silent. And the lesson about what was truly dangerous all along will be upon us.

 

[crows]

you seem a bit obsessed with the sex bit - it was a small part of the books, and "sexy" doesn't mean gratuitous sex scenes.

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that I don't actually give a flying figleaf what this tiny study of 1500 American 10-24 year olds wants.

it's about how the old bond is "sexist" and how more recently it gets criticized for that even by the actor playing bond himself.

well you guys keep talking about an old school type bond, but this is Amazon we are talking about, and who is going to be in charge of this?
whose going to run this?
they're not gonna have younger audiences in mind?
and also Hollywood casting now is done according to their Instagram followers lol

 

[HanFiredFirst]

Eh, when those fighters finally launch for Taiwan in the next couple of years, the Instagram raging and weeping about "our democracy" will finally fall silent. And the lesson about what was truly dangerous all along will be upon us.

Under his eye.

 

[HanFiredFirst]

it's about how the old bond is "sexist" and how more recently it gets criticized for that even by the actor playing bond himself.

well you guys keep talking about an old school type bond, but this is Amazon we are talking about, and who is going to be in charge of this?
whose going to run this?
they're not gonna have younger audiences in mind?
and also Hollywood casting now is done according to their Instagram followers lol

Sigh, going round in circles on this it seems. By "Old Bond" I assume you mean the movie Bond, rather than the books, which is what I keep referring you back to. The books were written in the 1950s and the 1960s, have far less sex in them than the films, and are far grittier than the films. Read them.

Amazon has a choice - they can continue the movie/Broccoli trend of trying to awkwardly modernise Bond, or they can embrace the character and his era, Mad Men style. There are far more people who aren't in the Gen Z camp than are - Amazon will play to whichever demographic is going to bring them more money, so we'll just have to wait and see. And in the meantime, I continue to hope and wish that they embrace the Bond of the books, not pander to the easily offended and celebrity obsessed, those who are focused on which actor plays Bond more than how Bond is brought back to the screens.

 

[Felinx]

Under his eye.

Yes, directly lifted by Atwood from "Big brother is watching" - the warning about where socialism leads every time: cults of personality centered on the powerful male - Lenin, Stalin, Kim, Castro, Mao, etc.

But its true that the theocratic, autocratic nation of Iran, the Handmaids Tale of the real world (women in forced garb and headwear ruled by patriachal hierarchy, surely the inspiration for Atwood, the revolution just 5 years before she wrote the first novel) will play a role in that coming learning experience. And... another great potential Bond adversary!

 

[ZE_501]

Sigh, going round in circles on this it seems. By "Old Bond" I assume you mean the movie Bond, rather than the books, which is what I keep referring you back to. The books were written in the 1950s and the 1960s, have far less sex in them than the films, and are far grittier than the films. Read them.

I remember being ... I guess still a pre-teen, and reading one of my dad's Bond novels and being surprised by the level of cold, realistic violence and the way it was described.

 

[HanFiredFirst]

Yes, directly lifted by Atwood from "Big brother is watching" - the warning about where socialism leads every time: cults of personality centered on the powerful male - Lenin, Stalin, Kim, Castro, Mao, etc.

But its true that the theocratic, autocratic nation of Iran, the Handmaids Tale of the real world (women in forced garb and headwear ruled by patriachal hierarchy, surely the inspiration for Atwood, the revolution just 5 years before she wrote the first novel) will play a role in that coming learning experience. And... another great potential Bond adversary!

Oh dear. Doubling down on your own narrow world view is so, well, Hitlerian. Fear the very real enemy within, rather than creating enemies to throw rocks at.

 

[HanFiredFirst]

I remember being ... I guess still a pre-teen, and reading one of my dad's Bond novels and being surprised by the level of cold, realistic violence and the way it was described.

Yes, and the simple ways a man was tortured - a wicker chair with no seat, for example - all a far cry from the ridiculously complex later movie violence.

 

[Felinx]

Oh dear. Doubling down on your own narrow world view is so, well, Hitlerian. Fear the very real enemy within, rather than creating enemies to throw rocks at.

Being informed (about history, the arts, and current events) = narrow world view. Only in the land of thoughtcrime and doublethink made law.

Orwell ain't just a river outside London.

 

[HanFiredFirst]

Being informed (about history, the arts, and current events) = narrow world view. Only in the land of thoughtcrime and doublethink made law.

Orwell ain't just a river outside London.

Where to start?
I first read 1984 in about that year, at school, so the lecture on Orwell isn't required, thanks! I've even visited Jura where he wrote it.
You fail to see the dangers of your own system - the eradication of rights before your very eyes - and focus on the ills of the world, which is inherently dangerous. The "don't look at us, look over there!" antics of your government, as you dismantle Roe v Wade, from under the very eyes of your citizens, is exactly how democracy is undermined. The focus on other country's issues, how they treat women, and wagging a finger at them, as your own country erodes its own women's rights, is terrifying to see.
I'll also add in that Margaret Atwood didn't just look to Iran for inspiration - for the source of Gilead she looked much closer to (your) home. The KKK, the white supremacist movements in the US, the battle of the Bible Belt, the power and influence of the far right in the US - all the events in the world that led to the eradication of rights, the rise of the right, the terrifying exercise of power under a flag, all led to her great "What if?" that is the Handmaid's Tale. I'll pop in a link when I find the Penguin article I read on her influences.
And the River Orwell is nowhere near London, but you're technically correct that it is outside London.

 

[HanFiredFirst]

Yes, directly lifted by Atwood from "Big brother is watching" - the warning about where socialism leads every time: cults of personality centered on the powerful male - Lenin, Stalin, Kim, Castro, Mao, etc.

But its true that the theocratic, autocratic nation of Iran, the Handmaids Tale of the real world (women in forced garb and headwear ruled by patriachal hierarchy, surely the inspiration for Atwood, the revolution just 5 years before she wrote the first novel) will play a role in that coming learning experience. And... another great potential Bond adversary!

Here's the link to an interview with Atwood on what influenced The Handmaid's Tale.
https://www.penguin.co.uk/discover/...ndmaids-tale-testaments-real-life-inspiration

 

[abake]

if they handle bond like they did Reacher or Jack Ryan, then there's good hope for something good for hope.
we can hope to have good hope for something good like the terminal list which was also very good to have hope for.

I'm still going through Reacher S2, but damn... it's pretty bad.
Haven't checked Jack Ryan, should be good though, Krasinski is solid.

 

[abake]

Where to start?
I first read 1984 in about that year, at school, so the lecture on Orwell isn't required, thanks! I've even visited Jura where he wrote it.
You fail to see the dangers of your own system - the eradication of rights before your very eyes - and focus on the ills of the world, which is inherently dangerous. The "don't look at us, look over there!" antics of your government, as you dismantle Roe v Wade, from under the very eyes of your citizens, is exactly how democracy is undermined. The focus on other country's issues, how they treat women, and wagging a finger at them, as your own country erodes its own women's rights, is terrifying to see.
I'll also add in that Margaret Atwood didn't just look to Iran for inspiration - for the source of Gilead she looked much closer to (your) home. The KKK, the white supremacist movements in the US, the battle of the Bible Belt, the power and influence of the far right in the US - all the events in the world that led to the eradication of rights, the rise of the right, the terrifying exercise of power under a flag, all led to her great "What if?" that is the Handmaid's Tale. I'll pop in a link when I find the Penguin article I read on her influences.
And the River Orwell is nowhere near London, but you're technically correct that it is outside London.

You probably should take this discussion to the appropriate forum...