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[ironwez20]

Maybe go back and read the comics then. I think Captain America offering him a seat on the Avengers, wielding mjolnir and sacrificing himself to protect people is a pretty good indication hes a hero. But if you choose to ignore everything post 90s then sure hes a villain but hes been a hero (anti-hero since lethal protector #1)

You do realize he killed people as a hero right? He ate people . Also if Spider-Man had not tricked him into thinking venom killed him he would have still stalled him. When Spider-Man and venom fought he almost beat Spider-Man to death and called a truce but they would still fight. Maximum carnage venom was going to kill anyone to kill carnage.

edit he also killed sandman and joined the sinister six and this was late 90s early 00s

 

[Fr0stbit3]

You do realize he killed people as a hero right? He ate people . Also if Spider-Man had not tricked him into thinking venom killed him he would have still stalled him. When Spider-Man and venom fought he almost beat Spider-Man to death and called a truce but they would still fight. Maximum carnage venom was going to kill anyone to kill carnage.

Venom wasn’t going to “kill anyone” to kill carnage. Multiple times have he saved people despite Carnage escaping. Based on the logic you provided when Carnage threw that baby out the window then Venom should have just let it fall right? Nope. He jumped after it and saved the baby when Spider-Man failed to save it and Carnage escaped. And no he didn’t eat people. Mac Gargan did but Eddie did not. Please get your facts straight.

 

[ironwez20]

Venom wasn’t going to “kill anyone” to kill carnage. Multiple times have he saved people despite Carnage escaping. Based on the logic you provided when Carnage threw that baby out the window then Venom should have just let it fall right? Nope. He jumped after it and saved the baby when Spider-Man failed to save it and Carnage escaped. And no he didn’t eat people. Mac Gargan did but Eddie did not. Please get your facts straight.

Lol are you serious? Venom ate people? It wasn’t just gargan Please do your research. Why do you think he is called letal protector? He was about to let the kid fall but he saved it. Even in the movies he eats people . Please read comics and read what a hero is before you spout nonsense. In the 2000s he almost killed the thing by putting his tongue down his throat. Lol what comics are you reading?

 

[Fr0stbit3]

Lol are you serious? Venom are people? Please do your research. Why do you think he is called letal protector? He was about to let the kid fall but he saved it. Even in the movies he eats people . Please read comics and read what a hero is before you spout nonsense. In the 2000s he almost killed the thing by putting his tongue down his throat. Lol what comics are you reading?

It’s clear you have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m done engaging in this topic. Go get educated then come back.

 

[ironwez20]

Venom wasn’t going to “kill anyone” to kill carnage. Multiple times have he saved people despite Carnage escaping. Based on the logic you provided when Carnage threw that baby out the window then Venom should have just let it fall right? Nope. He jumped after it and saved the baby when Spider-Man failed to save it and Carnage escaped. And no he didn’t eat people. Mac Gargan did but Eddie did not. Please get your facts straight.

https://screenrant.com/venom-characters-people-killed-marvel-comics/
not all canon but here are some of the people venom has killed that were innocent and from after the 90s. Again please reevaluate what you think a hero is .

 

[Fr0stbit3]

https://screenrant.com/venom-characters-people-killed-marvel-comics/
not all canon but here are some of the people venom has killed that were innocent and from after the 90s. Again please reevaluate what you think a hero is .

This list is a REACH. Most of the ones on this list are NOT even Eddie dude. And lots of these aren’t even his fault. His ex committing suicide? Carnage?? If they have to include these two in your 15 list then your list is BS. You clearly can’t tell the difference between the different Venoms and it shows.

Why don’t we bring up the body count for a few other heroes like Captain America why don’t we?

 

[ironwez20]

This list is a REACH. Most of the ones on this list are NOT even Eddie dude. And lots of these aren’t even his fault. His ex committing suicide? Carnage?? If they have to include these two in your 15 list then your list is BS. You clearly can’t tell the difference between the different Venoms and it shows.

Why don’t we bring up the body count for a few other heroes like Captain America why don’t we?

Lol but your whole argument was that he’s a hero even tho he killed in the 80s abs what I mean man? The list is all Eddie venom. Did you even read it. First you say it’s a reach now you say it’s not even him. Which is it?

 

[ironwez20]

It’s clear you have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m done engaging in this topic. Go get educated then come back.

Sure just say you lost. It’s ok to view him as a hero but to say he’s a hero when he’s a killer and a villian is silly. In the movies he’s not even a hero. He killed almost everyone he came into contact with that wanted to harm him.

 

[shadow_wolf]

Venom is a bbig softe

 

[Fr0stbit3]

Sure just say you lost. It’s ok to view him as a hero but to say he’s a hero when he’s a killer and a villian is silly. In the movies he’s not even a hero. He killed almost everyone he came into contact with that wanted to harm him.

You’re mixing Eddie Brock with Mac Gargan to prove your point. Yes EDDIE is a hero and MAC is a villain. And if you need to use Eddie killing Carnage to prove how much of a villain he is then you are reaching. You’re also only using examples from the very beginning rather than the post 30 years of Venom content to justify it.

Just admit you’re wrong and move on

 

[matticus]

Again… all of you only consider his first appearance stuff rather than everything since the 90s. You can say you know a character when all you know is the beginning and absolutely nothing else.

You know comics are all over the place. They try to do anything and everything for sales, regardless of the damage it does to the character. Canon is best left to the individual. Hydra Cap is the same territory - stupid garbage to drum up interest and sell comics. Talk to the DC fans about women in refrigerators. Plenty of dumb material to list.

 

[Fr0stbit3]

Sure just say you lost. It’s ok to view him as a hero but to say he’s a hero when he’s a killer and a villian is silly. In the movies he’s not even a hero. He killed almost everyone he came into contact with that wanted to harm him.

Imagine someone came up to you with intent to hurt you and you defended yourself and being labeled a villain for it

 

[ironwez20]

You’re mixing Eddie Brock with Mac Gargan to prove your point. Yes EDDIE is a hero and MAC is a villain. And if you need to use Eddie killing Carnage to prove how much of a villain he is then you are reaching. You’re also only using examples from the very beginning rather than the post 30 years of Venom content to justify it.

Just admit you’re wrong and move on

I think you just don’t know the character and are putting your own personal feelings in the mix. I’m not using that as a example . I showed you a whole list of people he killed during those years. You just choose to ignore it cause you know nothing of the character. Venom literally kills abs stalks people. How is that a hero? You really are pressed in thinking that his actions are heroic. Then you ignore my other argument that other Spider-Man villains have done this same and they aren’t heroes. So please drop it cause you know nothing about the character whatsoever.

comics change over time and the character has different canon. Almost all of them are villains. His whole thing is he will kill anyone to get his revenge on Spider-Man. Please read a wiki or something

 

[ironwez20]

Imagine someone came up to you with intent to hurt you and you defended yourself and being labeled a villain for it

But you said he’s a hero. Heroes don’t kill or have a warped sense of Justice . And also he was causing harm and he killed them. Not like he was minding his own buissness. Imagine calling a character a hero but his whole legacy is trying to kill someone.

 

[Chopper Face]

Does the person hosting the symbiote actually have any relevance to the actions of the symbiote? That’s barely the case in the movies for sure.
Venom is presented as his own character who just needs a compatible human in order to take full physical form.

He has access to the thoughts, feelings, impulses etc of his host and can be influenced by those- if he chooses to allow it but, when he’s full on Venom, it seems like he’s calling the shots, controlling all physical movement and making the decisions.
So whoever the host was when Venom was being scary and villainous; wasn’t that still just Venom being Venom?
Venom has the arc and the hosts are just along for the ride?

 

[Turtle882]

Calling Venom a hero is kind of ridiculous. He's cool, yes, and I like him, yes, but that didn't make him a hero. He was introduced as a straight-up villain and has evolved into a complex anti-hero, even the tag "Lethal Protector" implies that complex anti-hero role. I think it is important to understand the literary distinction between hero and anti-hero

 

[ironwez20]

Calling Venom a hero is kind of ridiculous. He's cool, yes, and I like him, yes, but that didn't make him a hero. He was introduced as a straight-up villain and has evolved into a complex anti-hero, even the tag "Lethal Protector" implies that complex anti-hero role. I think it is important to understand the literary distinction between hero and anti-hero

Yes. I don’t know what’s going on now nor do I care cause comics are all over the place but from 80s- 2000s venom was a straight up villian who killed people.

 

[Fr0stbit3]

I think you just don’t know the character and are putting your own personal feelings in the mix. I’m not using that as a example . I showed you a whole list of people he killed during those years. You just choose to ignore it cause you know nothing of the character. Venom literally kills abs stalks people. How is that a hero? You really are pressed in thinking that his actions are heroic. Then you ignore my other argument that other Spider-Man villains have done this same and they aren’t heroes. So please drop it cause you know nothing about the character whatsoever.

comics change over time and the character has different canon. Almost all of them are villains. His whole thing is he will kill anyone to get his revenge on Spider-Man. Please read a wiki or something

From that list there’s a couple that Venom doesn’t even kill. Death by suicide doesn’t count. And if you think killing Carnage is bad then maybe you’re the villain? Again…. My point that you keep dancing around is that Eddie Brock is NOT Mac Gargan. Mac Gargan is the evil venom that you are referring to who kills and murders. Eddie Brock is the “good” Venom but you clearly can’t tell the difference.

 

[ironwez20]

From that list there’s a couple that Venom doesn’t even kill. Death by suicide doesn’t count. And if you think killing Carnage is bad then maybe you’re the villain? Again…. My point that you keep dancing around is that Eddie Brock is NOT Mac Gargan. Mac Gargan is the evil venom that you are referring to who kills and murders. Eddie Brock is the “good” Venom but you clearly can’t tell the difference.

Are u like simple? Pushing someone to suicide is still killing . What do you mean good venom ? How is stalking and beating someone half time death and eating people good? Maybe you are just crazy? This is about the dumbest argument ever. If you threaten loved ones and try and kill somebody and kill and eat people you are the villain. Simple .

it’s like saying Norman green goblin was good because he made the dark avengers but Harry was the bad goblin cause he kidnapped mj. The only good venom is flash venom.

 

[Turtle882]

The Venom scale:
Mac Gargan : Villain
Eddie Brock : Anti-hero
Flash Thompson : Hero

I think a lot of people today are so used to seeing the anti-hero as the protagonist that they assume it's the same thing as a hero. It's not.