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The Predator is bottom of the barrel. The worst of any film featuring a Predator.

Even from the opening minute you can tell Prey is head and shoulders above The Predator. Whilst Prey as a film and Feral as a Predator aren't without their issues, it's a worthy addition to the franchise.

Saying that, I would still welcome a different creative team for the next Predator film. Still hoping to see another 'classic' design however I feel those days are over. The design of the Predator appears to be so far removed from what we got in 1987. :crying
Completely agree, Prey is a more than worthy addition to the franchise - but its not perfect, but not being perfect is very different from it being bad.
It was a breathe of fresh air in a franchise that was all but dead following the utter next level eye cancer that was Shane Black's The Predator.
 
Saying that, I would still welcome a different creative team for the next Predator film. Still hoping to see another 'classic' design however I feel those days are over. The design of the Predator appears to be so far removed from what we got in 1987. :crying
I'd love to see something in the Winston style again, born of the same philosophy that created the City Hunter: it's the same species, but even though "a snake is a snake, different snakes are different." Varying up the skin patterns, fangs, cheekbones, ridges on the head, and armor styles are all ways of generating new individuals belonging to the same species, but to the average public, they'll all look alike just as snakes do.
 
I'd love to see something in the Winston style again, born of the same philosophy that created the City Hunter: it's the same species, but even though "a snake is a snake, different snakes are different." Varying up the skin patterns, fangs, cheekbones, ridges on the head, and armor styles are all ways of generating new individuals belonging to the same species, but to the average public, they'll all look alike just as snakes do.
Yeah I like that, more iterations of the classic design rather than more radical morphic departures.
 
Ok? I mean of course he eventually was outsmarted and met his demise by the hands of the protagonist, as is the case with every Predator film ever. That doesn't make him an *****, it just makes the hero a little more clever. Or did you think the Predator was going to be victorious in the end? 🤪

Dude killed like dozens along the way though in very satisfying ways.
There's a difference between the cleverly constructed trap set by Dutch, the playing possum, relying on Predator arrogance and then this creature from Prey that was dumb enough to slice off its own arm and dies by shooting itself in the head.
The film is still good but the creature is an ugly design and is definitely dumber than any Predator in previous movies.
 
Okay I was gonna keep quiet on this circular echo chamber nonsense but frankly if certain people are going to fill this thread with such ****** takes then I will respond.
Jesus Christ people get over it, Naru outsmarted the Predator after barely surviving previous encounters by observing its weaknesses re sight/heat and the like, luring it into a field of play she knew and could control and won through ingenuity, stealth and using the size of the Predator against itself - exactly like Dutch.
Or was the original movie now retroactively ruined because Dutch only found out about the mud camouflage through sheer luck? Was the original Predator an ***** for recklessly removing its mask and weapons and fighting Dutch 1v1 - what an *****! Why would he follow Dutch to what clearly was a trap? Lazy marty stu writing! How did Dutch survive that final explosion? ******** male power fantasy!
Was Harrigan a marty stu because he could defeat his Predator through 1v1 combat? Afterall he is by no definition a trained soldier?
You see how everything you said is just double standards right?
Naru does exactly what Dutch does and wins just like Dutch, so why is it okay for him but an insult and stupid when she does it?

After all Naru has more day to day survival skills than any other protagonist in the franchise, this isnt a profession - its her life. Do we think Dutch hunts to feed himself? Do we think he uses the bow and arrow every day? If these things are acceptable for him why not for her? She has better built in reason to be a more seasoned survivalist.
So the problem is that Naru had a character arc? Grew to understand she COULDN'T just charge in and beat foes bigger and stronger than her [like the tribesmen, the colonists or the bear] and learned to use being underestimated to turn an opponents own strength against them. If she was instantly perfect from the beginning you would drag her, and now your dragging her for having growth - choose an end of the stick to beat the dead horse with.

"The Predator let itself be harmed by its own weapons" - firstly that seems like a willful misrepresentation of the scene, she jammed its mechanism and used the Predators own momentum against it [by yielding her space rather than fighting a stronger/bigger opponent as she learnt from her encounters with stronger opponents in the movie] meaning it lurched forward into its own space, allowing her to remove the jam and causing the shield to close with severing force = a force she witnessed several times in the colonist massacre. And again we are applying double standards here - Harrigan picked up TONNES of the Predator's weapons to use against it - why did the City Hunter leave its discuss, spear, and projectile just lying around for Harrigan to pick up and use to cut off its hand and stab it? Aren't they meant to destroy evidence of their presence? That seems like a far more stupid scenario compared to what we see in Prey.
As for the shooting itself bit - yeah, this could well be seen as a "stupid" moment, but considering said Predator had lost an arm, a mandible, been shot in the back of the head, been stabbed in numerous places, and was trapped in quicksand at this point - maybe we can forgive it being consumed enough by the desire to kill Naru that it didnt realize its tracking system was aimed at its own head. Still any critiques of this element at least have some merit.

Also is there any real need to call Naru a "child who could barely save her own behind" - her actress is 26 and she performs about as well as anyone could ever hope to vs a Predator, a camp of murderous colonists, a whole group of men at once and a ******* bear. Surviving is the feat.
Again if she flawlessly conquered these obstacles you'd [rightly] call her a Mary Sue so why attack the character for having an arc - pick a lane.
Solely replying to clear up some points you're leaving out severely to control narrative.

1st not all of this was exactly like Dutch don't be an apologist cause you're hungry for Pred content. Once again trained combat soldier opening not getting caught by the men they're after etc.

2nd if we're talking about Predator 2. He's not a trained soldier which is why I specifically said the characters that are usually protagonists have some form of taught job combat training. He's a Cop which comes with some form of professional combat training. Maybe not advance but it gives you some experience. I never said trained soldier exclusively. You did, simply cause you were heat replying to an objective analysis of the movie.

3rd I'll say it again casually: child who let's just be honest got caught by several groups even her own party. Actor's 26. Great. Movie portrayed her clearly as a child. Didn't really see big point searching actor's age for your side here.

4th The Pred at the end of the day was silly. Simply put. You referenced wits with 1st Pred Movie attempting to use against me for your argument. He discarded his mask & use of weapons. I love how it was left out to match what Dutch is — mostly weaponless. Again code of honor. This one fully weaponized, yes he got stabbed in the back, lost an arm, stabbed in the leg, slashed shot and everything. Context should make one feel angry. I see what you mean I'll be objective & give you credit that I left that out so that's on me as looking at it while getting best by said child especially in a Pred's eyes that would make it feel angry I would assume. Thus it would forget about small specific things like it's own targeting system. Maybe I can give that. Plus blood loss.

But let's be really objective here than just trying to further our own argument. Especially if you're going to quote & I never said exclusively they have to be a trained soldier. Back then for the time it's set in there's not really a form of professional combat training also she was clearly inexperienced even she was given training from her tribes ppl. The amount of times being caught showcased that. Let's be honest. And that's OK she's young, but not when this is a movie going up against a trained killing lifeform lol.
 
No offense but speak for yourself. I have seen the Predator collecting community get very excited for this release.

Sure there are some fans that had a problem with the face (me included), but the majority of hardcore fans enjoyed the movie overall and the design of this guy. Plus people who collects 1/6, HT Preds have been starving for a new release since Wolf, which was 5 years ago atp.
I didn't state it as fact, I said I suspected hardcore fans won't want to pay this much for this particular creature.
Personally I haven't met a single hardcore fan that did like this thing.

I agree the starvation for a new HT Pred (not that I consider this thing a Predator) is a factor.

Maybe some hardcore fans will buy it, but my point is, at this price, how well will it sell?
It's a lot for fans who aren't necessarily big fans of Predator but liked the movie and this creature design.
And it's a lot for hardcore fans who probably want a Winston Predator.

Just conjecture.
 
Yeah I like that, more iterations of the classic design rather than more radical morphic departures.
Separating myself from being objective, subjectively, yes I agree with that I'd like to see that too. Also if we are going to have departures, then make it lore expansive thru draft I gave out. Which I don't know if others officially working in the Predator content have already pitched to make a show out of or movie, I'm sure they have, but then it makes the radical design change more believable you know.
 
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There's a difference between the cleverly constructed trap set by Dutch, the playing possum, relying on Predator arrogance and then this creature from Prey that was dumb enough to slice off its own arm and dies by shooting itself in the head.
The film is still good but the creature is an ugly design and is definitely dumber than any Predator in previous movies.
There is the context which they got me on there that alot happened to him so blood boiling plus blood loss so I can consider that being actions to incite senseless acts out of what's actually an intelligent killer species that's at times primal & activating the more primal side of things so maybe.

But what you said essentially is what I would retort with. Not to mention I want to make it clear, I didn't say they have to be a trained soldier exclusively like they made it out to be. Definitely hinting at our detective cop from Predator 2. I said some from of experienced combat training and Naru doesn't really showcase that much at all to me.

But yeah what you just said highlights the extreme difference.
 
I'd love to see something in the Winston style again, born of the same philosophy that created the City Hunter: it's the same species, but even though "a snake is a snake, different snakes are different." Varying up the skin patterns, fangs, cheekbones, ridges on the head, and armor styles are all ways of generating new individuals belonging to the same species, but to the average public, they'll all look alike just as snakes do.
So much this. I'm tired of them trying to reinvent the Predator.
They did it in Predators with the "Super Preds", they did it in The Predator with the "Assassin" Pred and they did it with "Feral" in Prey.
I know the "Fugitive" Pred and the captured "Classic" in Predators are meant to be Winston style Preds but they don't match the quality of Winston's work.
We haven't had a expertly produced classic Winston style Pred since P2.
Instead of constantly churning out these mutant Preds, I wish they could produce a classic Pred, to Stan Winston's standard.
Play around with the skin colouring, armour etc. But no more drastically altered anatomy please.
 
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There is the context which they got me on there that alot happened to him so blood boiling plus blood loss so I can consider that being actions to incite senseless acts out of what's actually an intelligent killer species that's at times primal & activating the more primal side of things so maybe.

But what you said essentially is what I would retort with. Not to mention I want to make it clear, I didn't say they have to be a trained soldier exclusively like they made it out to be. Definitely hinting at our detective I said some from of experienced combat training and Naru doesn't really showcase that much at all to me.
The Feral creatures tactics all the way through are pretty much to charge in, tank any damage, hopefully win.
There's pure combat skill in there from Feral at times but a tactical creature he is not. He doesn't particularly hunt really, just wonders around until he finds something. Charges it and hopes for the best.
Then in a fight with Naru, chops off his own arm and shoots himself in the head.

The creature design would be fine if they didn't claim he was meant to be a Predator.
His dumb as bricks CHARGE!!!!! tactic would be fine if he wasn't supposed to be a Predator.
 
The Feral creatures tactics all the way through are pretty much to charge in, tank any damage, hopefully win.
There's pure combat skill in there from Feral at times but a tactical creature he is not. He doesn't particularly hunt really, just wonders around until he finds something. Charges it and hopes for the best.
Then in a fight with Naru, chops off his own arm and shoots himself in the head.

The creature design would be fine if they didn't claim he was meant to be a Predator.
His dumb as bricks CHARGE!!!!! tactic would be fine if he wasn't supposed to be a Predator.
Agreed for the most part. That's what I watched quickly. Charge, chance upon a group of guys doing something bad, tank damage.

Also I wouldn't call her "Mary Sue", another point they assumed I would make "if she did everything flawelssly." If there was actual background with her that gives reasons to their skills, and it's not done flawlessly as typically with the Pred films—protagonist doesn't get out of them unscathed, then I wouldn't be complaining about her at all. Assuming they're alluding to the Star Wars sequels, that silly writing tactic being used on Rey cause it's exactly how they described the term "Mary Sue" which I don't really use in speech with others I just call the character out to having little to no experience typically but if they used that on Naru then yes I'd voice displeasure. That wasn't even what was employed however. It was the fact as you said her foe was operating in the only thought process of CHARGE!!!!! ME, BRUTE STRENGTH WINS!!!!!
 
Solely replying to clear up some points you're leaving out severely to control narrative.

1st not all of this was exactly like Dutch don't be an apologist cause you're hungry for Pred content. Once again trained combat soldier opening not getting caught by the men they're after etc.

2nd if we're talking about Predator 2. He's not a trained soldier which is why I specifically said the characters that are usually protagonists have some form of taught job combat training. He's a Cop which comes with some form of professional combat training. Maybe not advance but it gives you some experience. I never said trained soldier exclusively. You did, simply cause you were heat replying to an objective analysis of the movie.

3rd I'll say it again casually: child who let's just be honest got caught by several groups even her own party. Actor's 26. Great. Movie portrayed her clearly as a child. Didn't really see big point searching actor's age for your side here.

4th The Pred at the end of the day was silly. Simply put. You referenced wits with 1st Pred Movie attempting to use against me for your argument. He discarded his mask & use of weapons. I love how it was left out to match what Dutch is — mostly weaponless. Again code of honor. This one fully weaponized, yes he got stabbed in the back, lost an arm, stabbed in the leg, slashed shot and everything. Context should make one feel angry. I see what you mean I'll be objective & give you credit that I left that out so that's on me as looking at it while getting best by said child especially in a Pred's eyes that would make it feel angry I would assume. Thus it would forget about small specific things like it's own targeting system. Maybe I can give that. Plus blood loss.

But let's be really objective here than just trying to further our own argument. Especially if you're going to quote & I never said exclusively they have to be a trained soldier. Back then for the time it's set in there's not really a form of professional combat training also she was clearly inexperienced even she was given training from her tribes ppl. The amount of times being caught showcased that. Let's be honest. And that's OK she's young, but not when this is a movie going up against a trained killing lifeform lol.
1 - If its not the same explain the difference - Dutch and Naru both observed the Predators weaknesses in its vision and took advantage after surviving previous encounters through either luck or not being the primary target at the time.
What training does Dutch have that would make him a better survivalist over someone who is an actual survivalist? What training can compare with real life every day learned experience? I dont really understand the point your making here " Once again trained combat soldier opening not getting caught by the men they're after etc" so if you want to elaborate and explain then I will respond.

2 - Once again I ask what vocational training can be superior to lived daily reality? What constitutes combat training? Naru clearly knows how to wield her weapons proficiently and lives and eats by her skill with them, so what is the issue here? That she doesn't have formal training? Such a thing doesnt even really exist in this period same as there is no such thing as a professional soldier. So what advantage through training re you suggessting that makes Dutch and Harrigan more believable matches to an actual hulking alien? Seems your grasping at straws to justify your own double standard. so lets look at our movies: film 1 we have trained soldiers with training in hand-to-hand combat vs humans which is effectively useless and survivalist skills that would be secondary to someone who survives for a living rather than a vocation, film 2 cops and criminals with no training that would be superior to Naru beyond firearms, AVP we have group of civilian scientists with no skill whatsoever, Predators we have a mix of a soldier and a mercenary who seem to possess actual battle and survivalist skills, an african death squad member who doesnt need skills beyond massacring unarmed civilians, a couple common criminals with no ability beyond a lack of conscience, a Yakuza who while good with a katana has no other notable ability to survive, and finally a serial killer with no skill whatsoever... so not really making your case for you, then we have Black's The Predator which DOES have numerous soldiers with combat skill but most of whom pose little problem and are supposedly inferior to the protagonists autistic son. So when we look at things objectively in terms of survivalist skill, creating traps and tracking prey Naru is clearly the most skilled character in the franchise, no she isn't the strongest or the most skilled warrior - which is part of her character arc and why she relies on those aforementioned skills and cunning to win.

3 - in what way was she portrayed as a child? Be honest at least with yourself - you called her a child to belittle her and attempt to manipulate the conversation through undermining Ethos and you've been called out on it. If you can find an actual example of her being called or referenced as being a child then I will apologize and concede the point as my mistake - otherwise either you have misread the movie or like I suspect this was an attempt to control perception of the character by belittling her as a child. They say she hasn't gone through the right that makes her a hunter or a candidate for war chief, not that she is a child - she clearly, visibly isnt as the actor is very clearly not a child, especially when we remember women in this period are seen as mature when they first mensurate and go through puberty - which Naru is visibly long past.

4 - I agree the first predator had a code of honor that this one lacked, indeed its what makes it the more interesting villain compared to this one, but nonetheless it was a stupid move that by the logic you applied to the Prey Movie is a silly reason to give the protagonist a reason to win when there is no logical reason for them to.

I'm an honest debater - I do not falsify what my opposite says or create strawman arguments. If you feel I misrepresented your argument thats simply because that was how I read it, if there was a nuance you feel I missed then fair enough, we dont always express what we mean exactly as we intend.
 
Separating myself from being objective, subjectively, yes I agree with that I'd like to see that too. Also if we are going to have departures, then make it lore expansive thru draft I gave out. Which I don't know if others officially working in the Predator content have already pitched to make a show out of or movie, I'm sure they have, but then it makes the radical design change more believable you know.

So much this. I'm tired of them trying to reinvent the Predator.
They did it in Predators with the "Super Preds", they did it in The Predator with the "Assassin" Pred and they did it with "Feral" in Prey.
I know the "Fugitive" Pred and the captured "Classic" in Predators are meant to be Winston style Preds but they don't match the quality of Winston's work.
We haven't had a expertly produced classic Winston style Pred since P2.
Instead of constantly churning out these mutant Preds, I wish they could produce a classic Pred, to Stan Winston's standard.
Play around with the skin colouring, armour etc. But no more drastically altered anatomy please.
I strongly agree - differences ought to be cosmetic and in order to suggest personality or character qualities - not these species-level morphic changes we have seen in recent films, Prey included, there is no need to utterly reinvent the wheel - the wheel is great!
The classic design is brilliant and there is no need to go drastically beyond it, I recall the Elder Predator from P2 which had differences suggesting its age and experience without having to make it look almost like another species or subspecies.
 
I'd love to see something in the Winston style again, born of the same philosophy that created the City Hunter: it's the same species, but even though "a snake is a snake, different snakes are different." Varying up the skin patterns, fangs, cheekbones, ridges on the head, and armor styles are all ways of generating new individuals belonging to the same species, but to the average public, they'll all look alike just as snakes do.
Indeed!

I'd love to see a Predator design very much like the Lost Predator. Everything you listed above and a true Winston Predator.
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Completely agree, Prey is a more than worthy addition to the franchise - but its not perfect, but not being perfect is very different from it being bad.
It was a breathe of fresh air in a franchise that was all but dead following the utter next level eye cancer that was Shane Black's The Predator.
Yep! I mean... it's hard to describe just how bad it is. :poop:
 
The Feral creatures tactics all the way through are pretty much to charge in, tank any damage, hopefully win.
There's pure combat skill in there from Feral at times but a tactical creature he is not. He doesn't particularly hunt really, just wonders around until he finds something. Charges it and hopes for the best.
Then in a fight with Naru, chops off his own arm and shoots himself in the head.

The creature design would be fine if they didn't claim he was meant to be a Predator.
His dumb as bricks CHARGE!!!!! tactic would be fine if he wasn't supposed to be a Predator.

Agreed for the most part. That's what I watched quickly. Charge, chance upon a group of guys doing something bad, tank damage.

Also I wouldn't call her "Mary Sue", another point they assumed I would make "if she did everything flawelssly." If there was actual background with her that gives reasons to their skills, and it's not done flawlessly as typically with the Pred films—protagonist doesn't get out of them unscathed, then I wouldn't be complaining about her at all. Assuming they're alluding to the Star Wars sequels, that silly writing tactic being used on Rey cause it's exactly how they described the term "Mary Sue" which I don't really use in speech with others I just call the character out to having little to no experience typically but if they used that on Naru then yes I'd voice displeasure. That wasn't even what was employed however. It was the fact as you said her foe was operating in the only thought process of CHARGE!!!!! ME, BRUTE STRENGTH WINS!!!!!

I can see this point but my point would be to again demonstrate this isn't a new thing.
In Predator 2 the City Hunter charges into the train, the drug-dealers penthouse and a few other conflicts in a similar fashion.
So again I must ask why are these standards being applied more harshly here?
I dont understand it.
I'm not denying your points regarding the Predator not being the skilled and cautious hunter of the first film, I'm merely addressing what I consider a double standard in singling this Predator out for it when its a flaw we see in even one of the better Predator films and villains.

I didnt say you called her a Mary Sue, I said that she had a character growth from tackling any challenge head on without thought to the power disparity between herself and her opponent, to understanding to use her ability to trap, hunt and use stealth to her advantage and her being underestimated by her opponents. The background for these skills is established throughout the movie, she can hunt and track and survive the wilderness because she has trained for it all her life, its her tactics she adapts not her skillset. She learns her opponent more and she learns her own limitations in relation to them. She doesn't "level up" to use a gaming term, she instead learns to fight smarter. I said that you could, and would be right, to call Naru a Mary Sue if her character was presented as perfectly skilled and with no need to learn a character arc from the beginning.

I'm not alluding to anything re Star Wars - I dont really know those movies. The term I gained through TV Tropes.
 
So much this. I'm tired of them trying to reinvent the Predator.
They did it in Predators with the "Super Preds", they did it in The Predator with the "Assassin" Pred and they did it with "Feral" in Prey.
I know the "Fugitive" Pred and the captured "Classic" in Predators are meant to be Winston style Preds but they don't match the quality of Winston's work.
We haven't had a expertly produced classic Winston style Pred since P2.
Instead of constantly churning out these mutant Preds, I wish they could produce a classic Pred, to Stan Winston's standard.
Play around with the skin colouring, armour etc. But no more drastically altered anatomy please.
With every release, we keep getting further and further away from Winston Preds. I fear what we see next will be Feral 2.0 - see what else they can do to reinvent the design. :yuck
 
I didn't state it as fact, I said I suspected hardcore fans won't want to pay this much for this particular creature.
Personally I haven't met a single hardcore fan that did like this thing.

I agree the starvation for a new HT Pred (not that I consider this thing a Predator) is a factor.

Maybe some hardcore fans will buy it, but my point is, at this price, how well will it sell?
It's a lot for fans who aren't necessarily big fans of Predator but liked the movie and this creature design.
And it's a lot for hardcore fans who probably want a Winston Predator.

Just conjecture.
An interesting point - are you suggesting it might just be highly enough priced to deter all but the purists [who are less likely to enjoy a design that strays from Winston's original]
Seems like a reasonable take - a high price is likely to deter people no matter what other stylistic or other factors are at play, I imagine other things like this just would make it easier to do so.

I personally like the design of the mask and outfit/tech as an earlier, almost primitive, precursor to the more sleek and refined look of the Jungle Hunter and I would only ever display this with the mask on.
I think it would make a nice comparison and contrast to the other more classic Predator looks like Jungle or Wolf.
 
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By the way, how good is it to be taking part in an active Predator thread again! :bow
Completely agree, if debate gets heated its merely a reflection of our mutual passion for this great IP and is something to embrace and enjoy.
While we, like all Geeks, are liable to war over the smallest amount of trivia, in truth we are pretty much identical in the eyes of anyone who isn't part of this insane little circle of ours where we debate whether to spend hundreds of $/£ on dollies of movie monsters! :ROFLMAO:
 
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