1/6 Scale REDMAN TOYS Collectible Figure Accessory Lethal Weapon A & B

[Ebeneezer Jones]

So it's not piracy to turn a profit without going through a license holder? I don't know how you attack one and not the other. I don't think either side is right.

Not on small runs no.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Not on small runs no.

So there's levels of piracy that is acceptable?

There is not grey area in this. You're either doing it legally or you're not.

 

[Ebeneezer Jones]

So there's levels of piracy that is acceptable?

There is not grey area in this. You're either doing it legally or you're not.

What i should have said is 'apparently not' my bad. Only going by what was posted a few pages back.

 

[Asta]

So there's levels of piracy that is acceptable?

There is not grey area in this. You're either doing it legally or you're not.

It's all bad.

Everyone of us, we're all...

 

[Snake Plissken]

It's all bad.

Everyone of us, we're all...

 

[potato]

Way i see it is like this.

It's wrong to recast, and i don't support it.

With that said, it's like the music and movie business. Piracy is here, and always will be, right or wrong. If it were my business i would be going to these factories with the original files/sculpt and making deals with them, and offering both the hand painted and factory versions.

If i couldn't do that, then i wouldn't be making them at all. Just saying if it were me personally.

As i say, i think it's theft and wrong, but i'd definitely be looking into my own factory versions of my own stuff.

thing is we aren't talking about what is right and what is wrong, if Redman G produce recast that is 95% or more close to Iminime, it's just wrong to shove Redman aside by saying of course Redman's product is much inferior than Iminime without any side by side fair photo shots to compare.

you're just blindly saying Redman is junk by comparing 2 sets of photos one by casual photographer one set by serious photographer.

like i said i can tell the recast is about 90-95% close but i dare not comment on the paint apps just based on those 2 sets of photos.

 

[potato]

So there's levels of piracy that is acceptable?

There is not grey area in this. You're either doing it legally or you're not.

Iminime might be doing it in small quantities, but i believe there's an amount set by the law to determine whether it's "Hobby custom" or "Copyright infringement". I believe for it to go under hobbyist the quantity has to be really low, maybe 10 or less. There might also be some constraint on the price or profit made from them.

I believe $500 per set for Iminime, it's considered high profit margin per set. yes sculpts, paint, tailoring, production cost alot but i just assume they sell 50 sets that'd be 50x$500 = $25000, that's alot of money for 5 person if you take into account the total man hours required, and i don't think the group has even 5 people in it.

 

[siquisiri]

What is this BS? HELLO MODS!!!!!!!!!!!! Stay on topic people!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[siquisiri]

Just like the good the bad and the ugly figs, had this had an a different Riggs sculpt, we wouldnt be having this back and forth. Aside from the obvious recasted sculpt, the clothes still look pretty good. To judge the set as a whole based on the the sculpt is kinda ridiculous.

Im also glad that IMM/CK addressed this issue. On FB DK seemed upset that some were accusing him of being involved in some way in the release of these sets. It appears this is not the case.

 

[Snake Plissken]

What is this BS? HELLO MODS!!!!!!!!!!!! Stay on topic people!!!!!!!!!!!

All the lawyers in here are going to file a Motion to Strike your post.

 

[siquisiri]

 

[greatlakes6]

You telling someone that they need their head examined is a personal attack. If you don't think so, then no one in return will need to call YOU stupid, you proved that yourself.

First of all, my comment was a generalization. The fact that you took it personally means that you are over sensitive and a bit paranoid. You seem to be stuck on the word stupid, has this been a lifelong problem for you? A nickname perhaps? Now that you're walking and talking like a big girl, it's time to grow up.

 

[Voorhees27]

E-scrapping over toys. **** me, that takes me back to the old days

 

[superado]

First of all, my comment was a generalization. The fact that you took it personally means that you are over sensitive and a bit paranoid. You seem to be stuck on the word stupid, has this been a lifelong problem for you? A nickname perhaps? Now that you're walking and talking like a big girl, it's time to grow up.

So you think it's acceptable behavior to denigrade someone in the particular way you did? What would you do if a stranger said the same comment to your spouse, your child or a parent? Would you tell someone at work or in public that they need their head examined (and no, you did not say it in jest)? ...unless agressive confrontation is a way of life for you. I take no personal offense if you call me that because on the basis of behavior I already know you are beneath me; parse my statement carefully, I'm not calling you anything but you called yourself out. And wow, calling me a little girl, as if that were a bad thing. Is that what you called kids who didn't want to fight you in the school yard? Most little girls are probably smarter than you and definitely have more class.

 

[Asta]

Machinegun.fr, another retailer who sells Iminime/Cult King, will also be stocking these:

Lethal Weapon Set A - Machinegun

Lethal Weapon Set B - Machinegun

 

[PopCultKid]

I can't stand this same ol' debate. There's a clear divide in the mentality of the custom fans' and those who are more into the mass produced side of the hobby (and in some cases are anti-custom). It's something that will never be agreed upon so I stopped wasting my time posting whenever the subject came up, but this is different. Of all the recaster scum, none are as low as Redman. We've seen plenty of these clowns steal heads to sell on the cheap in droves but this "company" sets a record low by not only having an obsessive hard-on for Iminime, but by offering full sets and trying to copy Iminime's as closely as possible. Honestly, I'm surprised Dave even allows threads for these BS stolen releases.

After reading through this thread I'll just chime in as one of the several boardies here who have been in pretty close contact with Denny for several years, and one of the many who have been supporting Iminime from their start, to clear up a few misconceptions and assumptions.

Denny would NEVER get involved with or be behind an operation like what Redman is doing. He is way too proud of his his company and their work, and has way too much integrity to engage in shadiness of any sort.

Just because some customs are high priced, doesn't mean they're high profiting

Just because he kept it short and simple on FB doesn't mean that he's not mega f'n pissed or even more ridiculously that he's in cahoots. He more than likely didn't go on a tirade against Redman for the same reason he doesn't post much here anymore. He got sick of losing his cool and getting into keyboard wars.

And oh yea, recasting IS stealing. Talks of laws and licence holders are paper thin hogwash BS excuses.


I'll just drop the real deal here and wishfully say, in before the delete

 

[superado]

Machinegun.fr, another retailer who sells Iminime/Cult King, will also be stocking these:

Lethal Weapon Set A - Machinegun

Lethal Weapon Set B - Machinegun

Here's a reasonably neutral statement for everyone; as a matter of principle, whoever is opposed to what Redman is doing should boycott any and every retailer who sells these sets. Also, if there's the slightest doubt that any other set, not just Redman's, could have been in whole or in part "ripped off" from a customizer, I would boycott any retailer carrying those sets as well.

 

[potato]

Here's a reasonably neutral statement for everyone; as a matter of principle, whoever is opposed to what Redman is doing should boycott any and every retailer who sells these sets. Also, if there's the slightest doubt that any other set, not just Redman's, could have been in whole or in part "ripped off" from a customizer, I would boycott any retailer carrying those sets as well.

don't forget to file a report to mods regarding any posts discussing about this shameless acts, and file a police report regarding the sales of these bootlegs whether it's physical shop, online shop or even ebay, ebay hates bootlegs the most and will proceed with any reports.

if we cannot stop bootleggers from producing bootlegs, and stop buyer from buying, we can deprive sellers the place to sell their bootlegs and deprive buyers a place to buy them or even get any info on them, so when the buying stops, so does the bootleg. They will have to go through Deep Web or shady alleys to trade, which will drive up the price of bootlegs & adds the hassle, which will deter buyers from buying, and persuade them to pay big bucks & support official artists like Iminime.

 

[PopCultKid]

Wow, you might be on to something.

Or we can just hang 'em high where they can be seen by all, or hammer their hands flat. Ya know, treat them like thieves should be treated.

Here's a reasonably neutral statement for everyone; as a matter of principle, whoever is opposed to what Redman is doing should boycott any and every retailer who sells these sets. Also, if there's the slightest doubt that any other set, not just Redman's, could have been in whole or in part "ripped off" from a customizer, I would boycott any retailer carrying those sets as well.

That wouldn't really be any skin off my back because if I buy from e-tailers like Ekia, Timewalker, Monkey Depot, etc. once per year, that would be the extent of it. But I really don't hold it against them because they specialize in those kind of bootleg or second/third tier company releases (which I really don't collect). And like I said, this is an unprecedented type of counterfeit. This isn't the usual ****-bag like Kit Chen selling recasted heads on eBay. These are full figure counterfeit packages (which has never been done before) that I'm assuming come in some kind of box so they can be very easily marketed to those kind of e-tailers. If they aren't in tune with the custom world then they probably don't view Redman as being much different than the Craftones or Brothers Productions of the world. However, it's a different story if they are in tune; then they just don't give a crap like all too many others here

 

[ishothimsixtimes]

I can't stand this same ol' debate. There's a clear divide in the mentality of the custom fans' and those who are more into the mass produced side of the hobby (and in some cases are anti-custom). It's something that will never be agreed upon so I stopped wasting my time posting whenever the subject came up, but this is different. Of all the recaster scum, none are as low as Redman. We've seen plenty of these clowns steal heads to sell on the cheap in droves but this "company" sets a record low by not only having an obsessive hard-on for Iminime, but by offering full sets and trying to copy Iminime's as closely as possible. Honestly, I'm surprised Dave even allows threads for these BS stolen releases.

After reading through this thread I'll just chime in as one of the several boardies here who have been in pretty close contact with Denny for several years, and one of the many who have been supporting Iminime from their start, to clear up a few misconceptions and assumptions.

Denny would NEVER get involved with or be behind an operation like what Redman is doing. He is way too proud of his his company and their work, and has way too much integrity to engage in shadiness of any sort.

Just because some customs are high priced, doesn't mean they're high profiting

Just because he kept it short and simple on FB doesn't mean that he's not mega f'n pissed or even more ridiculously that he's in cahoots. He more than likely didn't go on a tirade against Redman for the same reason he doesn't post much here anymore. He got sick of losing his cool and getting into keyboard wars.

And oh yea, recasting IS stealing. Talks of laws and licence holders are paper thin hogwash BS excuses.